Astrostudents-Group Discussions: Re: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa

Respected Yograj Bhai -

In this example, what would the corresponding logic be to understand which planet's period is covered for the first three years of this person's life - would we work backwards from Mars commencing in year 3?

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Iqbal
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From: "Yograj Prabhakar" <yr_prabhakar@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:07:30 -0000
To: <astrostudents@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa

Respected Dr. Sahib,
Sa'adar Pranaam.

for understanding the 35-year circle one must be aware of the crucial
concept of "Greh Ka Daura" (tenure), "Greh ka Daura" is the crux of
the matter. Actually, this "Daura" is the time when any planet comes
to the First house of the horoscope. Any planet that comes on in the
Ist house (either in natal of Varsphal chart) will be the first planet
of 35-Yar cycle scheme. See the example of the following imaginary
planetary configuration of a natal chart:

1st house - empty
2nd house - empty
3rd house - mars
4th house - moon
5th house - Ketu
6th house - Jupiter
7th house - sun+Mer
8th house - venus
9th house - enpty
10th house -empty
11th house - Rahu
12th house -Saturn

In this chart, First and second houses are empty. As per the Varshphal
chart, planet of the 3rd house (Mars) will come in the 1st house
during the 3rd year of native's age. So from this 3rd year his first
35-years Cycle will begin with Mars as the first planet of 35-year
cycle, the other planets may follow accordingly.

You must have noticed that sometimes back this 35-Saala chakkar was
described so maladroitly in another blog that it became a "35-Saala
Ghan-chakkar" since they never considered/studied the important aspect
of "Greh Ka Daura".

Respectfully
Yograj Prabhakar

--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, kiranjit kumar <kapatjal@...> wrote:
>
> dear Prabhakar ji,
>
> going a little of the track from dharmi tewa.
>
> u r very right that the 35 year cycle at birth may start with any of
the planets.
> Could u please elaborate as to how to find out the operative planet
at birth for a given horoscope as par 35 years claculations.
>
> With best wishes;,
> kiranjit
>
> --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@...> wrote:
>
> From: Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@...>
> Subject: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa
> To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 5:11 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Respected Finn Sahib,
>
> You explained this 11 lines example (LK-1952, Page 975) beautifully;
please accept my heartiest congratulations for this wonderful post.
With your permission, I am reproducing the full Para Quoted by you
with slight corrections (forgive me for capital letters) to make the
things easier to understand as there are many flaws in the English
translated book.
>
> (Quote)
> Houses built between the age of 17 and 19.
> Sister born after 3 years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17.
> Venus No. 11 - contact with women.
> Jupiter No. 11 - MERE IMAGINATION,
> and FINALLY THE RESULT OF KETU 4 - NOCTURNAL EMISSION and
MASTURBATION BEGAN, THAT REACHED TO ITS PEAK DURING THE AGE OF 21.
> Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal tendencies
and signs of madness EMERGED. IN FACT, PROBLEM OF LACK OF SEMEN
REMAINED HIDDEN IN THE BACKDROP, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR MARRIAGE PROVED
FUTILE.
>
> (I think Pundit ji probably indicated that reason behind his mental
status and suicidal attitude was the result of likely impotency
because of nocturnal emission and masturbation that caused the
floundering of marriage proposals).
>
> You have further written that:
> \\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is ruled
by Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. ...\\
>
> I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may begin with
any of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not fit
anywhere, neither as per the serial numbers given to planets in the
35-year circulation neither according to its placement in the
horoscope to be the first planet of 35-year circulation.
>
> Respectfully
> Yograj Prabhakar
>
>
> --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, "Finn Wandahl"
<finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Members,
> >
> > While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi Tewa, I
came to
> > think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets combined with
one or
> > more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey Tewa (Blind
> > chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/ Non-adult chart), etc.,
meaning when
> > two or more types of combinations are available in the same horoscope.
> > This give rise to a number of different variations. This way obviously
> > Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number of very
> > interesting observations can be made. In this context I couldn't help
> > remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annual
predictions in
> > LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting combined
> > Tewa-types.
> >
> > Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of Scorpio-Asc with
> > Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in 10th, Jup &
Ven in
> > 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house.
> >
> > The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and contradictive
> > influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a Dharmi Tewa
since
> > there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same time the chart
> > also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as I will explain
> > later. I think these different and contradictive influences needs
to be
> > taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is needed.
There is
> > much more in this chart than what meets the eye.
> >
> > Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but brilliant delineation
> > of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in details,
taking it
> > bit by bit:
> >
> > (Quote:) "Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. Sister born
after 3
> > years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. Venus No. 11 -
> > contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts and results in
> > Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked at the age of
> > 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal
tendencies
> > and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage proposal
> > floundered".
> >
> > Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of this person?
> >
> > Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by being in
the 6th
> > and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by itself means
> > favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives excellent
> > results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it actually
does in
> > this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for half period of
> > Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to give its
separate
> > effect, and therefore the houses could be built only after the age of
> > 17.
> >
> > Why is a sister born after 3 years?
> >
> > As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is ruled by
> > Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn is in the 6th
> > house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a malefic
effect This
> > is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn aspects Mars in
> > the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize itself in the
form
> > of a younger brother.
> >
> > However, at the same time there is another exception rule in operation
> > in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury is in the
12th
> > house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since both
Mercury and
> > the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to indicate the
> > birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at that particular
> > age.
> >
> > Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination in the
11th, as
> > indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts, meaning no
> > substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is probably the
> > results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself is said
to give
> > false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu No. 4 -
loos of
> > semen (masturbation? ). Perhaps also because there is a
6/8-relationship
> > (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter in the 11th.
> >
> > Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21?
> >
> > This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is half the
period of
> > Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly caused by the
malefic
> > Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th. Rahu is
destroyed
> > (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more, Rahu & Ketu in
> > 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also makes a Nabalig
> > Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking in maturity.
> > According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will always have
to seek
> > help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will peak at 21
in this
> > case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of both Dharmi &
> > Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but a poor Guru.
> > But that is another discussion.
> >
> > What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the circle of
Mercury
> > at the age of 21 years?
> >
> > To know this we need to understand the "Modus operandi" of Rahu in the
> > 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury in the
10th will
> > move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic, they will be
twice
> > beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn is benefic
being
> > in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is actually located in
> > the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
> >
> > What is the "Empty Circle of Mercury"?
> >
> > Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion and
experience the
> > "Empty Circle of Mercury" is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th houses.
There
> > are some good arguments in support of this. It is said in LK that Rahu
> > and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes sense since
they
> > have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in the 3rd, 6th,
> > 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet capable of
> > aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only from the 3rd and
> > 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th and 12th (as
rules
> > of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this evil circle it
> > becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where you see the
> > illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque forms and
> > shapes.
> >
> > Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness?
> >
> > Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the 10th is
malefic.
> > Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves, being transmitted
> > through Saturn, are moving within the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
> >
> > There is however also another possible explanation for this. Earlier I
> > said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an Andhey Tewa,
> > meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It is said in LK
> > that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even if exalted,
> > would behave like the blind people and Sat will be malefic. The powers
> > of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly affected.
> >
> > But how can this chart be blind when there is only one planet,
Rahu, in
> > the 10th house?
> >
> > Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very carefully at the
12th
> > house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house and therefore
> > there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually this is
all it
> > takes to turn this into a blind chart.
> >
> > In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness are the
> > combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to malefic Rahu, blind
> > chart indication and the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Finn Wandahl
> >
>