Dear Finn Ji,
First of all accept my Heartily Salute. The charms of your analysis captivate the Soul.
Sir, in case of " 35 sala Chakkar" My observation is below
Pt. Ji wrote in:-
Aarmaan no. 113 A, Chapter: " EK DIN KA HAAL" LK-Edition-1940"
1. Har Ek Vyakati Ki Kismat Ka Haal "Janam Samay Ke Grah" se shuru hota hey.
Chapter "PAHLE SAPTAH MAIN"
K. TAKHAT KE MAALIK GRAHON KE LIYE: ( Yani Varshaphal vali Talika)
" JANAM SAMAY KA GRAH SABSE PAHLE SHURU HONE VALA GINEGAIN" Uskey baad Lalkitab page no. 7(Pt. Ji ne yah havala 1939 vali kitab ka diya hey jismain unhoney grahon ka kraram (Sequence) di hey) par diye huey karram se baki grahon ko likhaingey.
I try to explain this method with below example
Date of Birth: 15-09-1985 Time:-15:20 Day: Sunday Place: Delhi
Janam Din Ka Grah- Surya
Janam Samay ka Grah- Venus
Now The sequence Start from
Venus 3yrs +Jupiter 6yrs+Sun 2yrs+Moon 1yrs+ Venus 3yrs+Mars 6yrs+Merc 2yrs+Shani 6yrs+Rahu 6yrs+Ketu 3yrs=Total-59yra. The First cucle of 35th year is running upto 38th years. Iind cycle Start from its own sequence that is start with Jupiter.
In this contest you can read: "35 SAALA CHAKKAR" in 1952 Edition : Pt. Ji wrote " Grahon ka 35 saala chakkar aur Insaan ki Umar ka 35 saala chakkar do alag alag batain hain."
In this regard pt. Ji given a example in this chapter in which pt. Ji wrote about this " Ki eska pehla grah brahaspati ki bajay Shani shuru ho aur Janamdin ki bajay 7vain saal se shuru ho. Ab tamam grah 35 saal main hi apna daura poora kar lengey. Jab aakhiri grah ka aakhiri din hoga us vakat Insaan ki Umar 35 saal ka daura jama 6 saal, yaani kul umar 41 saal hey aur doosra chakkar janamDin valley grah ki doosri chaal hogi.
I am not claim that I am right but my understanding is this.
Thanks
Regards
Umesh Sharma
--- In astrostudents@
>
> Dear Yograj Ji,
>
> This information on how to calculate 35-years circulation is very
> interesting. Thank you for sharing it!
>
> Best regards,
> Finn
>
>
> --- In astrostudents@
> yr_prabhakar@ wrote:
> >
> > Respected Dr Sahib,
> > Sa'adar Pranaam.
> >
> > Sir, In case of more than one planet in one house, we have to follow
> the serial number given to each planet in the 35-year cycle.
> >
> > Respectfully
> > Yograj Prabhakar
> >
> > --- On Tue, 25/11/08, kiranjit kumar kapatjal@ wrote:
> > From: kiranjit kumar kapatjal@
> > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa
> > To: astrostudents@
> > Date: Tuesday, 25 November, 2008, 7:33 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > thanks prabhakar ji. But what if more than one planets r
> placed in the first house in the natal chart?
> > Â
> > with best wishes,
> > kiranjit
> >
> > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa
> > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:37 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Respected Dr. Sahib,
> > Sa'adar Pranaam.
> >
> > for understanding the 35-year circle one must be aware of the crucial
> > concept of "Greh Ka Daura" (tenure), "Greh ka Daura" is the crux of
> > the matter. Actually, this "Daura" is the time when any planet comes
> > to the First house of the horoscope. Any planet that comes on in the
> > Ist house (either in natal of Varsphal chart) will be the first planet
> > of 35-Yar cycle scheme. See the example of the following imaginary
> > planetary configuration of a natal chart:
> >
> > 1st house - empty
> > 2nd house - empty
> > 3rd house - mars
> > 4th house - moon
> > 5th house - Ketu
> > 6th house - Jupiter
> > 7th house - sun+Mer
> > 8th house - venus
> > 9th house - enpty
> > 10th house -empty
> > 11th house - Rahu
> > 12th house -Saturn
> >
> > In this chart, First and second houses are empty. As per the Varshphal
> > chart, planet of the 3rd house (Mars) will come in the 1st house
> > during the 3rd year of native's
> > age. So from this 3rd year his first
> > 35-years Cycle will begin with Mars as the first planet of 35-year
> > cycle, the other planets may follow accordingly.
> >
> > You must have noticed that sometimes back this 35-Saala chakkar was
> > described so maladroitly in another blog that it became a "35-Saala
> > Ghan-chakkar" since they never considered/studied the important aspect
> > of "Greh Ka Daura".
> >
> > Respectfully
> > Yograj Prabhakar
> >
> > --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, kiranjit kumar <kapatjal@ .>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > dear Prabhakar ji,
> > > Â
> > > going a little of the track from dharmi tewa.
> > > Â
> > > u r very right that the 35 year cycle at birth may start with any of
> > the planets.
> > > Could u please elaborate as to how to find out the operative planet
> > at birth for a given horoscope as par 35 years
> > claculations.
> > > Â
> > > With best wishes;,
> > > kiranjit
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...>
> > > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa
> > > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 5:11 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Respected Finn Sahib,
> > >
> > > You explained this 11 lines example (LK-1952, Page 975) beautifully;
> > please accept my heartiest congratulations for this wonderful post.
> > With your permission, I am reproducing the full Para Quoted by you
> > with slight corrections (forgive me for capital letters) to make the
> > things easier to understand as there are many flaws in the English
> > translated book.
> > >
> > > (Quote)
> > >
> > Houses built between the age of 17 and 19.
> > > Sister born after 3 years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age
> of 17.
> > > Venus No. 11 - contact with women.
> > > Jupiter No. 11 - MERE IMAGINATION,Â
> > > and FINALLY THE RESULT OF KETU 4 - NOCTURNAL EMISSION and
> > MASTURBATION BEGAN, THATÂ REACHED TO ITS PEAK DURING THE AGE OF 21.Â
> > > Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal tendencies
> > and signs of madness EMERGED. IN FACT, PROBLEM OF LACK OF SEMEN
> > REMAINED HIDDEN IN THE BACKDROP, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR MARRIAGE PROVED
> > FUTILE.
> > >
> > > (I think Pundit ji probably indicated that reason behind his mental
> > status and suicidal attitude was the result of likely impotency
> > because of nocturnal emission and masturbation that caused the
> > floundering of marriage proposals).
> > >
> > > You have further written that:
> > > \\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope
> > is ruled
> > by Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. ...\\
> > >
> > > I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may begin with
> > any of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not fit
> > anywhere, neither as per the serial numbers given to planets in the
> > 35-year circulation neither according to its placement in the
> > horoscope to be the first planet of 35-year circulation.
> > >
> > > Respectfully
> > > Yograj Prabhakar
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, "Finn Wandahl"
> > <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Members,
> > > >
> > > > While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi Tewa, I
> > came to
> > > > think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets combined with
> > one or
> > > > more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey Tewa (Blind
> > > > chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/ Non-adult chart),
> > etc.,
> > meaning when
> > > > two or more types of combinations are available in the same
> horoscope.
> > > > This give rise to a number of different variations. This way
> obviously
> > > > Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number of very
> > > > interesting observations can be made. In this context I couldn't
> help
> > > > remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annual
> > predictions in
> > > > LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting combined
> > > > Tewa-types.
> > > >
> > > > Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of Scorpio-Asc with
> > > > Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in 10th, Jup &
> > Ven in
> > > > 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house.
> > > >
> > > > The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and contradictive
> > > > influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a Dharmi
> > Tewa
> > since
> > > > there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same time the
> chart
> > > > also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as I will
> explain
> > > > later. I think these different and contradictive influences needs
> > to be
> > > > taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is needed.
> > There is
> > > > much more in this chart than what meets the eye.
> > > >
> > > > Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but brilliant
> delineation
> > > > of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in details,
> > taking it
> > > > bit by bit:
> > > >
> > > > (Quote:) "Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. Sister born
> > after 3
> > > > years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. Venus No. 11 -
> > > > contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts and
> results in
> > > > Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked
> > at the age of
> > > > 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal
> > tendencies
> > > > and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage proposal
> > > > floundered".
> > > >
> > > > Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of this person?
> > > >
> > > > Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by being in
> > the 6th
> > > > and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by itself
> means
> > > > favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives excellent
> > > > results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it actually
> > does in
> > > > this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for half period of
> > > > Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to give its
> > separate
> > > > effect, and therefore the houses could be built only after the
> age of
> > > > 17.
> > > >
> > > > Why is a sister
> > born after 3 years?
> > > >
> > > > As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is
> ruled by
> > > > Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn is in the 6th
> > > > house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a malefic
> > effect This
> > > > is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn aspects
> Mars in
> > > > the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize itself in the
> > form
> > > > of a younger brother.
> > > >
> > > > However, at the same time there is another exception rule in
> operation
> > > > in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury is in the
> > 12th
> > > > house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since both
> > Mercury and
> > > > the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to
> indicate the
> > > > birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at that particular
> > > > age.
> > > >
> >
> > > > Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination in the
> > 11th, as
> > > > indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts, meaning no
> > > > substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is probably the
> > > > results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself is said
> > to give
> > > > false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu No. 4 -
> > loos of
> > > > semen (masturbation? ). Perhaps also because there is a
> > 6/8-relationship
> > > > (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter in the 11th.
> > > >
> > > > Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21?
> > > >
> > > > This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is half the
> > period of
> > > > Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly caused by the
> > malefic
> > > > Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th. Rahu is
> > destroyed
> > >
> > > (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more, Rahu &
> Ketu in
> > > > 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also makes a Nabalig
> > > > Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking in maturity.
> > > > According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will always have
> > to seek
> > > > help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will peak at 21
> > in this
> > > > case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of both
> Dharmi &
> > > > Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but a poor
> Guru.
> > > > But that is another discussion.
> > > >
> > > > What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the circle of
> > Mercury
> > > > at the age of 21 years?
> > > >
> > > > To know this we need to understand the "Modus operandi" of Rahu
> in the
> > > > 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury in the
> > 10th
> > will
> > > > move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic, they will be
> > twice
> > > > beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn is benefic
> > being
> > > > in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is actually
> located in
> > > > the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
> > > >
> > > > What is the "Empty Circle of Mercury"?
> > > >
> > > > Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion and
> > experience the
> > > > "Empty Circle of Mercury" is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th houses.
> > There
> > > > are some good arguments in support of this. It is said in LK
> that Rahu
> > > > and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes sense since
> > they
> > > > have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in the
> 3rd, 6th,
> > > > 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet capable of
> > > > aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only
> > from the 3rd and
> > > > 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th and 12th (as
> > rules
> > > > of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this evil circle it
> > > > becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where you see the
> > > > illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque forms and
> > > > shapes.
> > > >
> > > > Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness?
> > > >
> > > > Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the 10th is
> > malefic.
> > > > Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves, being
> transmitted
> > > > through Saturn, are moving within the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
> > > >
> > > > There is however also another possible explanation for this.
> Earlier I
> > > > said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an Andhey Tewa,
> > > > meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It is said
> > in LK
> > > > that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even if exalted,
> > > > would behave like the blind people and Sat will be malefic. The
> powers
> > > > of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly affected.
> > > >
> > > > But how can this chart be blind when there is only one planet,
> > Rahu, in
> > > > the 10th house?
> > > >
> > > > Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very carefully at the
> > 12th
> > > > house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house and therefore
> > > > there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually this is
> > all it
> > > > takes to turn this into a blind chart.
> > > >
> > > > In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness are the
> > > > combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to malefic Rahu,
> blind
> > > > chart indication and the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
> > > >
> >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Finn Wandahl
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