Saturday, March 27, 2010

[astrostudents] Important Announcement

 

Dear Members,
Your group has been functioning since May 2003 with one of its specific mission to provide true literature on Lalkitab. Pt.Beni Madhav Goswami Ji & Sh Yograj Prabhakar Ji come forward to take up this gigantic Task. Now with the publishing of transliteration of Last edition of Lalkitab by Pt.Beni Madhav Goswami Ji, the mission of the group is accomplished.I on behalf of group bows to all members who participated in this task. I thanks all members who contributed to this task and gave their valuable time.
Now from April 1,2010, this group is going for  hibernation for six months as far as internet activities are concerned.All members are requested to go through the Transliterated or original literature during this period of hibernation.
We will meet here again on first October 2010.
Regards
Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

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Re: [astrostudents] Re: Price of lal kitab 1952 edition .....

 

Dear Sunny ji,

I can't thank you enough for providing this GEM from our own Shri Yograj Prabhakar ji, may god bless him a long and harmonious life to keep sharing with us the TRUE meaning of lal kitab. I often see well known "professional" astrologers (don't want to take names) jumping to conclusions without any strong base (tewa darustee) and then suggesting remedies. Infact, because of these "learned individual" lal kitab is seen as a "tool to fix anything" without realizing that Pt. ji has said clearly that it's of paramount importance to understand the planets positions and it's nature before moving forward.
last time i learned something useful on this forum was the beautiful explanation done by Yograj Prabhakar ji on "dharmi tewa" and now this.
once again i can't possibly express in words how fortunate students like me are to have such excellent explanations to learn from.

Regards
Jitin Syal

--- On Fri, 26/3/10, sunnysingh166 <sunnysingh166@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: sunnysingh166 <sunnysingh166@yahoo.com>
Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Price of lal kitab 1952 edition .....
To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 26 March, 2010, 0:04

 

Dear Yogita,

Please see below very good response of Shri Yograj Prabhakar Ji.

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Author: Yograj Prabhakar Ji

Why do remedies don't work?

It is a question that many of us (particularly the professional astrologers) must have come across one time or another. Now the next question is what should be the criteria, what should be the yardstick and what should be the exact modus operandi to find the problematic area in a chart? I am very sorry to say
that most of the Lal Kitab practitioners are not paying complete
consideration to this segment and they often diverge from the
very principles of the Lal Kitab astrology. Their main thrust is to
recommend various remedial measures (sometime very clumsy and
undesired) that is why they lack the "killer punch". This very
impetuosity is one of the causes for a grand failure.

I would like to share some of the basic principles for
analysing a chart as per Lal Kitab as taught to me by my Gurujans and
senior colleagues.

The very first principle while analyzing a chart is
the "Tewe Ki Darustee", I am afraid that not many people (except Mr. Umesh
Sharma ji, Mr. Vipin Shukla ji and Shri Rajinder Bhatia ji and a
handful others) use this rectification technique. How one can do justice
with the client and this divine subject without a proper "Darustee"
of the chart? Good results can be expected once an
appropriate "Darustee" of the chart is done. Pt. Ji advised to shake the chart 2-3
times to achieve the clear picture.

The second very important factor is to find whether the Tewa
is "Baalig" or "Naa-Baaligh" , as Lal Kitab uses a separate process
for both of these. Even the Varsh-Phal of a "Na-Baaligh" will be
different from the normal one (please refer Varsh-Phal chart of
Lal Kitab Teesra Hissa (GuTka)-1941) .

The third point I would like to emphasize is the "Dharmi
Tewa" characteristic of a chart. Because Lal Kitab has advise an
entirely different approach in case of a "Dharmi Tewa". Unlike a normal
Tewa the planets in a "Dharmi-Tewa" behaves in a different way.

Sh. Nirmal Bhardwaj ji raised another important factor the
other day. That point is regarding "Baap-Bete ki Mushtarka Kundli",
particularly in case of a joint family this point is worth
considering.

The consideration of "Nasht Ho Chukey Grah" is also
necessary (detail of these planets are there in the revered Lal Kitab),
because in such cases remedial measures are entirely different.

An honest Lal Kitab astrologer always consider the "Pitri-
Rin" as a major feature, because I have seen that the natives
having "Pitri- Rin" in their charts seldom get any benefits whatsoever in spite
of performing numerous remedial measures.

After studying these deciding factors, the next step is to
determine the problematic area (planets). This is a very
delicate and sensitive part of analyzing the chart as per the Lal Kitab
astrology, because sometimes what we see on the paper does not reflect the
true picture. Once the malefic planets are recognized – half of the
work is done. It is utmost urgent to know the nature of the planets
in a Chart. There are various method described in detail in the
revered Lal Kitab i.e. "Budh Ka Bhed" for knowing the exact nature of
the planet Mercury and "Shani Ka Zaati Swabhao" for Saturn and so
on.

Even one is successful to find the exact problematic planet
in a chart, the most important thing is to determine whether the
planet (rather its effects) is remediable or not. I am talking
about "Grah- Phal" and "Rashi-Phal" , because it is said in the very beginning
of the revered Lal Kitab that "Beemari Ka Ilaaj Hai, Magar Maut Ka
Koyi Ilaaj Nahee", it is very clear from this phrase that the "Maut"
(death) is "Grah-Phal" and is irremediable, whereas
the "Beemari" (illness) is "Rashi-Phal" and is possibly repairable. So one
should be vigilant and watchful while recommending the remedies.

As far as the remedies are concerned one must not expect
any miracle, although miracle does happen. The remedies are not like
any paranormal thing; it is a sort of balancing act of energies. If
the remedies are suggested and execute appropriately, it invalidates
the depressing energies and the native is blessed with positive
energies around him. It helps him to think positively, to appreciate the
situation honestly and fight the state of affairs more bravely.
It is not in the human capacity to prevent the rainfall, but the
divine umbrella of remedies unquestionably helps him to safeguard
himself from being drenched. If one can't slay a beast, he can atleast
elevate his periphery walls so that the creature could not
trespass his premises. That is the whole logic behind the remedies.

The classical Hindu methodology settling the affairs by
using Saam (by Dialogue), Daam (by Price), Dand (by Force) and Bhed
(by Mischief) is commonly used in the Lal Kitab remedies.

Saam: Appeasing a deity by worshipping for
reducing or increasing the bad or good effects of a planet.
Daam: Offering or donating articles related to a
particular planet for reducing or increasing the bad or good
effects of a planet.
Dand: Throwing, immersing, burying, or burning
articles related to a particular planet for altering the
negative effects in ones favour.
Bhed: Establishing, donating, offering or
keeping items of a particular planet, try to remove a particular
segment (as per Masnooyee Grah combination) of a malefic planet wherever
possible, establishing a common friend between two rival planets
and strengthening a planet that is believed to have the power to
level a wayward planet (e.g. Mars for Rahu) etc. reduces the malefic
effects of a malefic planet and enhance the positive results of the
suffering one.




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Re: [astrostudents] Realease of Lal kitab 1952 Dwitiya Bhagh

 

Dear Ribhu ji,

HEARTIEST CONGRATULATIONS
Regards
Kulbir Bains.

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Ribhukant <ribhukantgoswami@yahoo.in> wrote:
 

Namaskar to all LAL KITAB followers,
LAL KITAB 1952 Dwitiya Bhagh transliterated by Pt. Beni Madhav Goswami is available for further research.
ribhukantgoswami
09716011587


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Re: [astrostudents] Shani ko adhoora chhoda

 

Kunwar sahib;

How can you equate a book with construction of a house.

 

KISS(e) PUCHAYA MAJNU NU - OYE TERI LAILA DISDI KAALI E;

MANJU SUN KE JHAT KURLAYA - OYE TERI AKKH NA DEKHAN WAALI E;

WARQ VED, QURAN DE NE CHITTE - VICH SHAHI(syahi) RAKH DITTI KAALI VE;

JITHE AKHIYAN JA LAGIYAN OTHE -KYA GORI KYA KAALI VE.

 

as per my knowledge. Pt. Beni Madhav Goswami Ji's family is alright, hale and hearty and prospering.

He is content and has been benefited a lot .

BUT
Be forewarned you are creating be - sir pair ke waham.?

 

Regards

Kulbir Bains.


On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 12:44 AM, vishalastrologer <vishalastrologer@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
 

Respected Members,
Jaisa ki aap sab jante hai ki lal kitab mein jikar aata hai ki SHANI KHANA NUMBER 2 KEY SAMAY MAKAAN(SHANI) JAISA BANE BAN NE DEY.MUBARAK HOGA.yani ki beech mein construction nahi rokni.
iska prabhaw hamay LAL KITAB 1952 KA LIPAYANTAR mein dekhne ko mila.14 december 2009 ko part 1 aa gya tha aur announce kiya gya tha ki jan 2010 tak doosra part aa jaye ga.magar 26 march tak bi doosra part mukammal nahi ho saka.
Karan sapasht hai pehla part shani 2 tak likha gya.shani ko adhoora chhoda.yahan par b shani apna asar dikha gya.ab dekhte hai shani kab nek hoga.
pujya pundit ji ney lal kitab 1952 ko ek hi part mein
likha,magar yahan aaj is kitab ko 2 part mein chhapne ka maqsad kya hai yeh to pramatma hi jane.kehte hai jaisi niyat waisi murad.niyat nek to phal nek.
yadi yeh lipayantar hai to is kitab ko bilkul waise hi ek part mein kyo nahi likha gya.
sabse badi baat gaur karne layak yeh hai ki yadi yeh publisher par apna asar dikha sakti hai to jiske pass hogi ya jo isey do adhoore ko samjhne ya parne ki koshish karega kya use nek asar mil sakta hai.yadi pundit ji ney iski jild(binding par lal rang ka nek asar mana hai)to iska saaf matlab hai is kitab key shabad gaibi hai na ki kisi insaan key dimaag ki apni upaj.ab yadi koi apni samajh sey 2 part kar dey to kya asar hoga parne walon par aur kitab ki trading karne walon par.
With Regards
Kunwar Vishal


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[astrostudents] Realease of Lal kitab 1952 Dwitiya Bhagh

 

Namaskar to all LAL KITAB followers,
LAL KITAB 1952 Dwitiya Bhagh transliterated by Pt. Beni Madhav Goswami is available for further research.
ribhukantgoswami
09716011587

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Friday, March 26, 2010

[astrostudents] Shani ko adhoora chhoda

 

Respected Members,
Jaisa ki aap sab jante hai ki lal kitab mein jikar aata hai ki SHANI KHANA NUMBER 2 KEY SAMAY MAKAAN(SHANI) JAISA BANE BAN NE DEY.MUBARAK HOGA.yani ki beech mein construction nahi rokni.
iska prabhaw hamay LAL KITAB 1952 KA LIPAYANTAR mein dekhne ko mila.14 december 2009 ko part 1 aa gya tha aur announce kiya gya tha ki jan 2010 tak doosra part aa jaye ga.magar 26 march tak bi doosra part mukammal nahi ho saka.
Karan sapasht hai pehla part shani 2 tak likha gya.shani ko adhoora chhoda.yahan par b shani apna asar dikha gya.ab dekhte hai shani kab nek hoga.
pujya pundit ji ney lal kitab 1952 ko ek hi part mein
likha,magar yahan aaj is kitab ko 2 part mein chhapne ka maqsad kya hai yeh to pramatma hi jane.kehte hai jaisi niyat waisi murad.niyat nek to phal nek.
yadi yeh lipayantar hai to is kitab ko bilkul waise hi ek part mein kyo nahi likha gya.
sabse badi baat gaur karne layak yeh hai ki yadi yeh publisher par apna asar dikha sakti hai to jiske pass hogi ya jo isey do adhoore ko samjhne ya parne ki koshish karega kya use nek asar mil sakta hai.yadi pundit ji ney iski jild(binding par lal rang ka nek asar mana hai)to iska saaf matlab hai is kitab key shabad gaibi hai na ki kisi insaan key dimaag ki apni upaj.ab yadi koi apni samajh sey 2 part kar dey to kya asar hoga parne walon par aur kitab ki trading karne walon par.
With Regards
Kunwar Vishal

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Thursday, March 25, 2010

[astrostudents] Re: Price of lal kitab 1952 edition .....

 

Dear Yogita,

Please see below very good response of Shri Yograj Prabhakar Ji.

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Author: Yograj Prabhakar Ji

Why do remedies don't work?

It is a question that many of us (particularly the professional astrologers) must have come across one time or another. Now the next question is what should be the criteria, what should be the yardstick and what should be the exact modus operandi to find the problematic area in a chart? I am very sorry to say
that most of the Lal Kitab practitioners are not paying complete
consideration to this segment and they often diverge from the
very principles of the Lal Kitab astrology. Their main thrust is to
recommend various remedial measures (sometime very clumsy and
undesired) that is why they lack the "killer punch". This very
impetuosity is one of the causes for a grand failure.

I would like to share some of the basic principles for
analysing a chart as per Lal Kitab as taught to me by my Gurujans and
senior colleagues.

The very first principle while analyzing a chart is
the "Tewe Ki Darustee", I am afraid that not many people (except Mr. Umesh
Sharma ji, Mr. Vipin Shukla ji and Shri Rajinder Bhatia ji and a
handful others) use this rectification technique. How one can do justice
with the client and this divine subject without a proper "Darustee"
of the chart? Good results can be expected once an
appropriate "Darustee" of the chart is done. Pt. Ji advised to shake the chart 2-3
times to achieve the clear picture.

The second very important factor is to find whether the Tewa
is "Baalig" or "Naa-Baaligh", as Lal Kitab uses a separate process
for both of these. Even the Varsh-Phal of a "Na-Baaligh" will be
different from the normal one (please refer Varsh-Phal chart of
Lal Kitab Teesra Hissa (GuTka)-1941).

The third point I would like to emphasize is the "Dharmi
Tewa" characteristic of a chart. Because Lal Kitab has advise an
entirely different approach in case of a "Dharmi Tewa". Unlike a normal
Tewa the planets in a "Dharmi-Tewa" behaves in a different way.

Sh. Nirmal Bhardwaj ji raised another important factor the
other day. That point is regarding "Baap-Bete ki Mushtarka Kundli",
particularly in case of a joint family this point is worth
considering.

The consideration of "Nasht Ho Chukey Grah" is also
necessary (detail of these planets are there in the revered Lal Kitab),
because in such cases remedial measures are entirely different.

An honest Lal Kitab astrologer always consider the "Pitri-
Rin" as a major feature, because I have seen that the natives
having "Pitri- Rin" in their charts seldom get any benefits whatsoever in spite
of performing numerous remedial measures.

After studying these deciding factors, the next step is to
determine the problematic area (planets). This is a very
delicate and sensitive part of analyzing the chart as per the Lal Kitab
astrology, because sometimes what we see on the paper does not reflect the
true picture. Once the malefic planets are recognized – half of the
work is done. It is utmost urgent to know the nature of the planets
in a Chart. There are various method described in detail in the
revered Lal Kitab i.e. "Budh Ka Bhed" for knowing the exact nature of
the planet Mercury and "Shani Ka Zaati Swabhao" for Saturn and so
on.

Even one is successful to find the exact problematic planet
in a chart, the most important thing is to determine whether the
planet (rather its effects) is remediable or not. I am talking
about "Grah- Phal" and "Rashi-Phal", because it is said in the very beginning
of the revered Lal Kitab that "Beemari Ka Ilaaj Hai, Magar Maut Ka
Koyi Ilaaj Nahee", it is very clear from this phrase that the "Maut"
(death) is "Grah-Phal" and is irremediable, whereas
the "Beemari" (illness) is "Rashi-Phal" and is possibly repairable. So one
should be vigilant and watchful while recommending the remedies.

As far as the remedies are concerned one must not expect
any miracle, although miracle does happen. The remedies are not like
any paranormal thing; it is a sort of balancing act of energies. If
the remedies are suggested and execute appropriately, it invalidates
the depressing energies and the native is blessed with positive
energies around him. It helps him to think positively, to appreciate the
situation honestly and fight the state of affairs more bravely.
It is not in the human capacity to prevent the rainfall, but the
divine umbrella of remedies unquestionably helps him to safeguard
himself from being drenched. If one can't slay a beast, he can atleast
elevate his periphery walls so that the creature could not
trespass his premises. That is the whole logic behind the remedies.

The classical Hindu methodology settling the affairs by
using Saam (by Dialogue), Daam (by Price), Dand (by Force) and Bhed
(by Mischief) is commonly used in the Lal Kitab remedies.

Saam: Appeasing a deity by worshipping for
reducing or increasing the bad or good effects of a planet.
Daam: Offering or donating articles related to a
particular planet for reducing or increasing the bad or good
effects of a planet.
Dand: Throwing, immersing, burying, or burning
articles related to a particular planet for altering the
negative effects in ones favour.
Bhed: Establishing, donating, offering or
keeping items of a particular planet, try to remove a particular
segment (as per Masnooyee Grah combination) of a malefic planet wherever
possible, establishing a common friend between two rival planets
and strengthening a planet that is believed to have the power to
level a wayward planet (e.g. Mars for Rahu) etc. reduces the malefic
effects of a malefic planet and enhance the positive results of the
suffering one.



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Hello Yogita ji ,

I am glad to see that there are people who are giving  their attention in researching of Lal Kitab. Even i am very much interested in this field of astrology.
But due to lack of  proper guidance or say proper pathline some one distract from his target.





Neelkamal
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On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@gmail.com> wrote:
 

Yogita Ji,

Yes you are absolutely right.
I think some misunderstandings crept in and the purpose of the group was defeated in wasting time and energy about petty and some worthless issues.
Thanks for your wakening call.
Atleast I WILL mend my ways and lets hope you will see the results soon.
now ALL IS WELL.
regards
Kulbir Bains.


On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:42 PM, yogita <yog_ita2003@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
 

Dear Kulbir Ji,

Sensitivity level of every human being is different, you are very much sensitive and caring for LAL Kitab.

Instead of using your sensitive creative energy in small matters like this, please use your energy for LaL kitab Research ,

I have not seen these days any research work in LaLKitab in our Group. Which is very much required.

A practical approach is very much required. Many senior members of our group have done individual research in this field, applied remedial measures of LaL Kitab. But they may have not shared the following:

1.       Kundali interpretations

2.       Remedial Measure Effect (duration)

3.       If fail why

4.       Correct way to do remedial measure

5.       Logic behind remedial measure

6.       Warnings/precautions

If in a scientific/ egoless  way we can share our experience, we can give new heights to Astrology.

Dear Neelkamal ji,

If you just say it's typing mistake. It is sufficient, we are all brothers and sisters join this group for enhancing and sharing knowledge.

Regard's

Yogita



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[astrostudents] Lal Kitab

 

 
 
Dear Yogita ji,
 
I echo the similar thoughts, as put forward by you.
Actually I had tried starting a common discussion on planetary aspects and coined some of my doubts on kundali interpretations. But, sadly, hardly anyone contributed to the same, and the topic disappeared in thin air.
 
I believe this group constitutes of many learned and experienced individuals, who may have utilised the divine light emitted by Lal Kitab to brighten up the peoples lives. 
 
We, as the students of this "Samundrik gyan" called Astrology would be glad to hear & learn from such case studies, and would strive to do our bit for the mankind in our own possible ways.
 
Regards
Dinesh
 


To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
From: yog_ita2003@yahoo.co.in
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:42:07 +0530
Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Price of lal kitab 1952 edition .....

 

Dear Kulbir Ji,

Sensitivity level of every human being is different, you are very much sensitive and caring for LAL Kitab.

Instead of using your sensitive creative energy in small matters like this, please use your energy for LaL kitab Research ,

I have not seen these days any research work in LaLKitab in our Group. Which is very much required.

A practical approach is very much required. Many senior members of our group have done individual research in this field, applied remedial measures of LaL Kitab. But they may have not shared the following:

1.       Kundali interpretations

2.       Remedial Measure Effect (duration)

3.       If fail why

4.       Correct way to do remedial measure

5.       Logic behind remedial measure

6.       Warnings/precautions

If in a scientific/ egoless  way we can share our experience, we can give new heights to Astrology.

Dear Neelkamal ji,

If you just say it's typing mistake. It is sufficient, we are all brothers and sisters join this group for enhancing and sharing knowledge.

Regard's

Yogita



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Re: [astrostudents] Price of lal kitab 1952 edition .....

 

Dear Kulbir Ji,

Your greatness, you are welcome.

Regard's

Yogita
--- On Thu, 25/3/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Price of lal kitab 1952 edition .....
To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 25 March, 2010, 12:48 PM

 
Yogita Ji,
Yes you are absolutely right.
I think some misunderstandings crept in and the purpose of the group was defeated in wasting time and energy about petty and some worthless issues.
Thanks for your wakening call.
Atleast I WILL mend my ways and lets hope you will see the results soon.
now ALL IS WELL.
regards
Kulbir Bains.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:42 PM, yogita <yog_ita2003@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:
 

Dear Kulbir Ji,

Sensitivity level of every human being is different, you are very much sensitive and caring for LAL Kitab.

Instead of using your sensitive creative energy in small matters like this, please use your energy for LaL kitab Research ,

I have not seen these days any research work in LaLKitab in our Group. Which is very much required.

A practical approach is very much required. Many senior members of our group have done individual research in this field, applied remedial measures of LaL Kitab. But they may have not shared the following:

1.       Kundali interpretations
2.       Remedial Measure Effect (duration)
3.       If fail why
4.       Correct way to do remedial measure
5.       Logic behind remedial measure
6.       Warnings/precaution s

If in a scientific/ egoless  way we can share our experience, we can give new heights to Astrology.

Dear Neelkamal ji,

If you just say it's typing mistake. It is sufficient, we are all brothers and sisters join this group for enhancing and sharing knowledge.

Regard's

Yogita



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Re: [astrostudents] Price of lal kitab 1952 edition .....

 

Yogita Ji,

Yes you are absolutely right.
I think some misunderstandings crept in and the purpose of the group was defeated in wasting time and energy about petty and some worthless issues.
Thanks for your wakening call.
Atleast I WILL mend my ways and lets hope you will see the results soon.
now ALL IS WELL.
regards
Kulbir Bains.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:42 PM, yogita <yog_ita2003@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
 

Dear Kulbir Ji,

Sensitivity level of every human being is different, you are very much sensitive and caring for LAL Kitab.

Instead of using your sensitive creative energy in small matters like this, please use your energy for LaL kitab Research ,

I have not seen these days any research work in LaLKitab in our Group. Which is very much required.

A practical approach is very much required. Many senior members of our group have done individual research in this field, applied remedial measures of LaL Kitab. But they may have not shared the following:

1.       Kundali interpretations

2.       Remedial Measure Effect (duration)

3.       If fail why

4.       Correct way to do remedial measure

5.       Logic behind remedial measure

6.       Warnings/precautions

If in a scientific/ egoless  way we can share our experience, we can give new heights to Astrology.

Dear Neelkamal ji,

If you just say it's typing mistake. It is sufficient, we are all brothers and sisters join this group for enhancing and sharing knowledge.

Regard's

Yogita



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Re: [astrostudents] urgent

 

Sir,

What's the urgency?
Regards
Kulbir Bains.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:41 AM, vikas sharma <vik_pnd004@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
 

Respected All
1) mamma se chandi ki chain lena kis grah ka upaya hai aur es se mamma ko koi bura parbhav to nahi parda
Pls urgent answer to me

Thanks & regards
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