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Wednesday, April 30, 2008

Re: [astrostudents] How to read LalKitab?

Thanks Nirmal Ji,
I am reading with other method. I had difficulties in understanding the concept. I will difinitely try this method. It seems to be more practical.
Thanks again
Vinay

On 4/28/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Yogesh Ji,
First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be knowing that there are five books. each volume is independent of others. Study the books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and finally 1952.
There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to this sort of experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys to read this book.This may help every new students
Key No.1. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary class. You will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.
Key No.2. Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and consider it self as very simple and is written in such a language which is very simple to understand . Consider that this book is written only for you keeping in view of your mental level only..
Key No.3. Think - what a primary class student think while reading Qayda.
few thoughts of these are
This Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why' untill you read all the five books.

Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time being. You can co-relate later on.
Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more time.
Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to be winner of slow race.

Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read these books later on after reading all the five books. Think only what you understand dont go by others' words.
Key No 4. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise, planet wise as you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.
Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five books

Beware: some habits may try to start forcing your minds after reading few books. few of them are
Justifying/co-relating each rule with other system of Astrology

Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very dangerous habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by budh Dayra. Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can write as many pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if your understanding are wrong.

Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book. this habit indicates that the student is going away from the basic concepts.
Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if you follow the rules of the system then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become the part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate the issues.
I follow these rules till date.
Hope you will find it use full.
Regards
Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

On 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely@gmail.com> wrote:

Respected Experts,
I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is there any special method to read this book. I am unable to link the matter during reading.
Thanks
Yogesh

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Tuesday, April 29, 2008

[astrostudents] Re: How to read LalKitab?

Respected Bhardwaj ji your 5 key formula is just great. It provided us
the correct method of learning LK, I tried to ask many prominent
persons regarding the correct method of study, but never got a
satisfactory answer, but I got the right answer from you only. Kulbir
bhais point of wrapping the book in dull red cover is also very
important, please include it too in your great formula.

have a nice day
Surinder Kumar Sood

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Re: [astrostudents] How to read LalKitab?

Nirmal Ji,

I must highly appericiate you for always sharing ur experinaces,

this 5 key methodology is no doubt a great outcome .............

i do hope this 'll help all those who are learning lal kitab,

but don't have proper line of action.,

Regards

Sanjeev Khanna

Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Yogesh Ji,
First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be knowing that there are five books. each volume is independent of others. Study the books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and finally 1952.
There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to this sort of experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys to read this book.This may help every new students
Key No.1. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary class. You will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.
Key No.2. Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and consider it self as very simple and is written in such a language which is very simple to understand . Consider that this book is written only for you keeping in view of your mental level only..
Key No.3. Think - what a primary class student think while reading Qayda.
few thoughts of these are

This Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why' untill you read all the five books.

Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time being. You can co-relate later on.

Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more time.

Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to be winner of slow race.
Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read these books later on after reading all the five books. Think only what you understand dont go by others' words.
Key No 4. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise, planet wise as you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.
Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five books

Beware: some habits may try to start forcing your minds after reading few books. few of them are

Justifying/co-relating each rule with other system of Astrology

Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very dangerous habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by budh Dayra. Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can write as many pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if your understanding are wrong.

Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book. this habit indicates that the student is going away from the basic concepts.
Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if you follow the rules of the system then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become the part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate the issues.
I follow these rules till date.
Hope you will find it use full.
Regards
Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

On 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely@gmail.com> wrote:

Respected Experts,
I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is there any special method to read this book. I am unable to link the matter during reading.
Thanks
Yogesh

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Re: [astrostudents] How to read LalKitab?

Respected Nirmal Sahib,

This " 5-Key formula" will help us alot to read and understand Lalkitab in a systematic way, and will prove very useful for beginners like me.

Simply the best and useful way of reading Lalkitab system.

Thanks with Regards

"Make light around you," said the fire.

--- On Mon, 4/28/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [astrostudents] How to read LalKitab?
To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 28, 2008, 10:06 PM

Dear Yogesh Ji,
First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be knowing that there are five books. each volume is independent of others. Study the books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and finally 1952.
There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to this sort of experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys to read this book.This may help every new students
Key No.1. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary class. You will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.
Key No.2. Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and consider it self as very simple and is written in such a language which is very simple to understand . Consider that this book is written only for you keeping in view of your mental level only..
Key No.3. Think - what a primary class student think while reading Qayda.
few thoughts of these are

This Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why' untill you read all the five books.

Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time being. You can co-relate later on.

Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more time.

Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to be winner of slow race.
Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read these books later on after reading all the five books. Think only what you understand dont go by others' words.
Key No 4. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise, planet wise as you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.
Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five books

Beware: some habits may try to start forcing your minds after reading few books. few of them are

Justifying/co- relating each rule with other system of Astrology

Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very dangerous habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by budh Dayra. Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can write as many pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if your understanding are wrong.

Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book. this habit indicates that the student is going away from the basic concepts.
Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if you follow the rules of the system then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become the part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate the issues.
I follow these rules till date.
Hope you will find it use full.
Regards
Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

On 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely@ gmail.com> wrote:

Respected Experts,
I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is there any special method to read this book. I am unable to link the matter during reading.
Thanks
Yogesh

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Re: [astrostudents] How to read LalKitab?

Dear Nirmal Ji,
Bhai bahut badhiya kunji dee hai aapnay.sabhi ke liye. Aapki yeh kunjiyaan hamesha yaad rakhney waali hain. Bhai Prabhakar ney is kunji kaa nam bhee de diya hai yaad rakhney ke liye. meri yeh tahe dil se ummeed hai kee yeh kunjiyaan bahut badey khazane ko kholney kaa kaam baakhoobi nibhaayengi
Aap Ka
Iqbal Chand Thakur

On 4/28/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Yogesh Ji,
First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be knowing that there are five books. each volume is independent of others. Study the books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and finally 1952.
There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to this sort of experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys to read this book.This may help every new students
Key No.1. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary class. You will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.
Key No.2. Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and consider it self as very simple and is written in such a language which is very simple to understand . Consider that this book is written only for you keeping in view of your mental level only..
Key No.3. Think - what a primary class student think while reading Qayda.
few thoughts of these are
This Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why' untill you read all the five books.

Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time being. You can co-relate later on.
Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more time.
Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to be winner of slow race.

Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read these books later on after reading all the five books. Think only what you understand dont go by others' words.
Key No 4. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise, planet wise as you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.
Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five books

Beware: some habits may try to start forcing your minds after reading few books. few of them are
Justifying/co-relating each rule with other system of Astrology

Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very dangerous habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by budh Dayra. Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can write as many pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if your understanding are wrong.

Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book. this habit indicates that the student is going away from the basic concepts.
Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if you follow the rules of the system then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become the part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate the issues.
I follow these rules till date.
Hope you will find it use full.
Regards
Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

On 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely@gmail.com> wrote:

Respected Experts,
I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is there any special method to read this book. I am unable to link the matter during reading.
Thanks
Yogesh

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Dear Sir,

I am realy thankful owner astrostudent yahoo groups for giving me member ship.Article 5 keys for reading read book is precious guidance for my like bigner students.Thank you. yours

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Re: [astrostudents] How to read LalKitab?

Respected Nirmal ji

I really appreciate your valuable 5 point agenda. I think its very important to keep ourself reminding that we learn only when we are receptive and think that every day and every minute adds to our experience and knowledge. Also, there is no end of knowledge. It grows with us and still we r always short of it :)

All the big astrologers have given their words of appreciation to you already and a student like me is just adding her small input... :)

Regards

Astrostudent

Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@yahoo.com> wrote:

Respected Nirmal Jee,

What an article indeed!!! This is the best article I ever came across describing the correct method of studying Lal Kitab. No one could have ever described it better the way you did. Every word of your post is like a precious gem, my salutations to you. I always been a great admirer of your systematic approach and learned a lot from you, your "5-key formula" has further strengthen my faith in your matured thinking.

This funda will always be remembered as â€œNirmalâ€™s 5-Key formulaâ€. This will surely help students like me to adopt a proper way in leaning this divine scripture, I would humbly request every true LK student to strictly follow this.

I am fully agree with you that without knowing completely about "What is written" in the books, raising questions as to "Why it is writtenâ€ would be like attempting to write a thesis without passing the middle standard exam.

May Pundit jee always bless you.

Respectfully
Yograj Prabhakar

--- On Tue, 4/29/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@gmail.com> wrote:

From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [astrostudents] How to read LalKitab?
To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 29, 2008, 11:36 AM

Yogesh ji, nirmal ji has listed the correct method; through my experience i want to say that keep a copy with you, make your own index, whenever u come across anything new note it down in the copy alongwith page no. this will help u immensly. e.g while reading the book u come across any mention of house note the page no. and brief details, when u move ahead u will again come across this subject at various other places, note them also in same way. this way when any doubt arises or you want to understand any concept, all the material will be at your ready disposal, this way u can corelate and understand better. each time u pick up the book u will come across a totally different concept, slowly the revision of the book will reveal its logics, grammar etc.

it may be my superstition but if the notebook and lalkitab both are covered by dull red colour, it helps.

lalkitab is a different stream of astrology/occult; comparison can be made with other streams at advanced stage but i prefer that it should be read independent of any bias or comparison.

happy reading.

kulbirbance

On 4/28/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@gmail. com> wrote:

Dear Yogesh Ji,
First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be knowing that there are five books. each volume is independent of others. Study the books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and finally 1952.
There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to this sort of experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys to read this book.This may help every new students
Key No.1. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary class. You will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.
Key No.2. Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and consider it self as very simple and is written in such a language which is very simple to understand . Consider that this book is written only for you keeping in view of your mental level only..
Key No.3. Think - what a primary class student think while reading Qayda.
few thoughts of these are

This Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why' untill you read all the five books.

Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time being. You can co-relate later on.

Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more time.

Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to be winner of slow race.
Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read these books later on after reading all the five books. Think only what you understand dont go by others' words.
Key No 4. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise, planet wise as you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.
Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five books

Beware: some habits may try to start forcing your minds after reading few books. few of them are

Justifying/co- relating each rule with other system of Astrology

Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very dangerous habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by budh Dayra. Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can write as many pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if your understanding are wrong.

Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book. this habit indicates that the student is going away from the basic concepts.
Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if you follow the rules of the system then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become the part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate the issues.
I follow these rules till date.
Hope you will find it use full.
Regards
Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

On 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely@ gmail.com> wrote:

Respected Experts,
I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is there any special method to read this book. I am unable to link the matter during reading.
Thanks
Yogesh

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Respected Nirmal Ji and Yograj Ji,

This response has come to me at such a time when I was about to jump to read one part of Lalkitab, which I received last Sunday from Shri Prabhakar ji. It also goes with my own philosophy of primary education, which was my bread and butter for 13 full years, that unless you understand don't try to jump to next step. The key here is learning with understanding. Well said and precisely mentioned. Now comes the real problem with me on practical grounds that from where I can find rest of the four parts. Once again I would look towards both of you for such great help.

I fully endorse "Nirmal's 5-key Formula" and would be so happy if Mr. LY Rao also reads this communication carefully with a mindset of primary age going student. I also thank Kulbir bhai for his valuable feedback and insights on the topic below.

God bless you all for serving people in such a nice way. And honestly speaking after this communication here, my zeal to learn about Lal Kitab has been raised and I will be a disciplined student of LK in coming months with guides and teachers like you. Please bless me with your wisdom and knowledge.

Most sincerely,

Dharmender

From: Yograj Prabhakar

Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 3:31 PM

To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [astrostudents] How to read LalKitab?

Respected Nirmal Jee,

What an article indeed!!! This is the best article I ever came across describing the correct method of studying Lal Kitab. No one could have ever described it better the way you did. Every word of your post is like a precious gem, my salutations to you. I always been a great admirer of your systematic approach and learned a lot from you, your "5-key formula" has further strengthen my faith in your matured thinking.

This funda will always be remembered as "Nirmal's 5-Key formula". This will surely help students like me to adopt a proper way in leaning this divine scripture, I would humbly request every true LK student to strictly follow this.

I am fully agree with you that without knowing completely about "What is written" in the books, raising questions as to "Why it is written" would be like attempting to write a thesis without passing the middle standard exam.

May Pundit jee always bless you.

Respectfully
Yograj Prabhakar

--- On Tue, 4/29/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@gmail.com> wrote:

From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [astrostudents] How to read LalKitab?
To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 29, 2008, 11:36 AM

Yogesh ji, nirmal ji has listed the correct method; through my experience i want to say that keep a copy with you, make your own index, whenever u come across anything new note it down in the copy alongwith page no. this will help u immensly. e.g while reading the book u come across any mention of house note the page no. and brief details, when u move ahead u will again come across this subject at various other places, note them also in same way. this way when any doubt arises or you want to understand any concept, all the material will be at your ready disposal, this way u can corelate and understand better. each time u pick up the book u will come across a totally different concept, slowly the revision of the book will reveal its logics, grammar etc.

it may be my superstition but if the notebook and lalkitab both are covered by dull red colour, it helps.

lalkitab is a different stream of astrology/occult; comparison can be made with other streams at advanced stage but i prefer that it should be read independent of any bias or comparison.

happy reading.

kulbirbance

On 4/28/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@gmail. com> wrote:

Dear Yogesh Ji,
First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be knowing that there are five books. each volume is independent of others. Study the books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and finally 1952.
There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to this sort of experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys to read this book.This may help every new students
Key No.1. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary class. You will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.
Key No.2. Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and consider it self as very simple and is written in such a language which is very simple to understand . Consider that this book is written only for you keeping in view of your mental level only..
Key No.3. Think - what a primary class student think while reading Qayda.
few thoughts of these are

This Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why' untill you read all the five books.
Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time being. You can co-relate later on.
Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more time.
Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to be winner of slow race.
Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read these books later on after reading all the five books. Think only what you understand dont go by others' words.
Key No 4. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise, planet wise as you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.
Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five books

Beware: some habits may try to start forcing your minds after reading few books. few of them are

Justifying/co- relating each rule with other system of Astrology

Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very dangerous habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by budh Dayra. Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can write as many pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if your understanding are wrong.
Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book. this habit indicates that the student is going away from the basic concepts.
Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if you follow the rules of the system then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become the part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate the issues.
I follow these rules till date.
Hope you will find it use full.
Regards
Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

On 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely@ gmail.com> wrote:

Respected Experts,
I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is there any special method to read this book. I am unable to link the matter during reading.
Thanks
Yogesh

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