Dear Naresh Ji/ Other Members
My initial question regarding this topic was:
Dear Senior Members
Lal Kitab 1952 Page 870 Line 6-7:
"Kismat ki haar ke vaqt Aurat ke hathon ya Khud Neela Phool Bavakht Shaam Mitti mein dabaate Jaane se madad hotee rahegee".
The question is related to the words in red. Do they refer to Shaam as referred to time of Mercury (4 Baje Shaam) or Rahu (Pakki Shaam)? It look to me that the time should be Pakki Shaam or time of Rahu since we are trying to bury the malefic effects of Rahu here.
I await any response. In case it is possible, if some practical experience with this remedy can be shared?
To this Naresh Ji has responded as under:
Although i am not a senior member, even then i want to tell u that when the
sun set is to be done the whole aasman becames red that time reprsents rahu
start and up to night starts, when rahu time ends and shani times starts.The
dark blue flower means venus (sukar), and the earth means sukar ki jamin,sukar
ko sukar se jod kar sukar ka unch fal lene ka tarika.Rahu ke samae(time of
rahu).
My rejoinder was as under:
I have a different opinion.
It is Mercury that represents the plant world in general & specifically flower. Venus has closer relations with fruits if we wish to stick to the plant world. The colour blue represents Rahu (the blue sky for example which also is referred to as Rahu). Refer to "Ashiyan" or significators of planets/ houses between Pages 994 & 1018; Lal Kitab 1952 edition).
Now let us look at relationships between these three planets.
Mercury is a friend to both Venus & Rahu. Similarly, Rahu is a friend to Mercury. Also, Venus is a friend to Mercury.
Seeing this two way relationship, Mercury is the only planet which enjoys friendship with both Rahu & Venus who are enemies to each other. It is because of this that flower (Mercury) has the sole distinction of coming in between two enemies & seperating the malefic effect of Rahu in the 12th from Venus which is otherwise a benefic & exalted, as per Lal Kitab. Otherwise we could have had another object in place of a flower. The colour blue makes it clearly an object of Rahu. Any other blue object would not have fitted the purpose of this remedy.
The "mitti me dabaate rehena" is a burial process. It is specifically designed to put to rest (as if this effect is dead!) the malefic effects of Rahu in the 12th house as well as a conjunct planet with Venus which causes the effects of Venus to weaken. This is mentioned in the Lal Kitab clearly (Page 426 & 427; 1952 edition).
The above views are based on what I could best understand from my reading of the Lal Kitab.
I await your views & the views of other learned scholars on this issue.
Subsequent to this, Naresh Ji has rejected this view with the following reply:
Namaste
It is not mercury that represants flowers,its sukar (venus),Venus
is seeds not fruits,there are very smale difrence between seeds and fruits,
fruits is jupiter as i think,mercury is plants and flower is sukar and fruits
are jupiter , budh ki ladhki hai to sukar banegi hi aur agar sukar ke phool
honge to phal (jupiter) ki umeed hogi.
My response to his message was to ask for reference verses in any of the Lal Kitabs.
In the absence of any reply from Naresh Ji, I am forced to stick to my own understanding on this matter, at least for the time being or until I am provided with proof of what Naresh Ji says being confirmed by written verses of the Lal Kitab. Maybe Naresh Ji is busy.
Request to Nirmal Ji or others for a complete understanding of my query & an authentic understanding of this remedy.
Best regards
Harinder
--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Harinder" <harinder77711@...> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Naresh Ji
>
> Thank you for your explanation.
>
> Could you also refer me to the relevant verses in the Lal Kitab where
> this is mentioned. It would be helpful to understand this issue better.
>
> Best regards
>
> Harinder
> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Naresh" nareshmehta11957@
> wrote:
> >
> > respected Harinder ji,
> > Namaste
> > It is not mercury that represants flowers,its sukar (venus),Venus is
> seeds not fruits,there are very smale difrence between seeds and fruits,
> fruits is jupiter as i think,mercury is plants and flower is sukar and
> fruits are jupiter , budh ki ladhki hai to sukar banegi hi aur agar
> sukar ke phool honge to phal (jupiter) ki umeed hogi.
> > with regars
> > Naresh Mehta
> > M-09814740283
> >
> > >
> > > Mercury. Also, Venus is a friend to Mercury.
> > >
> > > Seeing this two way relationship, Mercury is the only planet which
> > > enjoys friendship with both Rahu & Venus who are enemies to each
> other.
> > > It is because of this that flower (Mercury) has the sole distinction
> of
> > > coming in between two enemies & seperating the malefic effect of
> Rahu in
> > > the 12th from Venus which is otherwise a benefic & exalted, as per
> Lal
> > > Kitab. Otherwise we could have had another object in place of a
> flower.
> > > The colour blue makes it clearly an object of Rahu. Any other blue
> > > object would not have fitted the purpose of this remedy.
> > >
> > > The "mitti me dabaate rehena" is a burial process. It is
> specifically
> > > designed to put to rest (as if this effect is dead!) the malefic
> effects
> > > of Rahu in the 12th house as well as a conjunct planet with Venus
> which
> > > causes the effects of Venus to weaken. This is mentioned in the Lal
> > > Kitab clearly (Page 426 & 427; 1952 edition).
> > >
> > > The above views are based on what I could best understand from my
> > > reading of the Lal Kitab.
> > >
> > > I await your views & the views of other learned scholars on this
> issue.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > >
> > > Harinder
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Naresh" <nareshmehta11957@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear harinder ji
> > > > Although i am not a senior member, even then i want to tell u that
> > > when the sun set is to be done the whole aasman becames red that
> time
> > > reprsents rahu start and up to night starts, when rahu time ends and
> > > shani times starts.The dark blue flower means venus (sukar), and the
> > > earth means sukar ki jamin,sukar ko sukar se jod kar sukar ka unch
> fal
> > > lene ka tarika.Rahu ke samae(time of rahu).
> > > > with regards
> > > > Naresh Mehta
> > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "harinder77711"
> harinder77711@
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Senior Members
> > > > >
> > > > > Lal Kitab 1952 Page 870 Line 6-7:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Kismat ki haar ke vaqt Aurat ke hathon ya Khud Neela Phool
> Bavakht
> > > > > Shaam Mitti mein dabaate Jaane se madad hotee rahegee".
> > > > >
> > > > > The question is related to the words in red. Do they refer to
> Shaam
> > > as
> > > > > referred to time of Mercury (4 Baje Shaam) or Rahu (Pakki
> Shaam)? It
> > > > > look to me that the time should be Pakki Shaam or time of Rahu
> since
> > > we
> > > > > are trying to bury the malefic effects of Rahu here.
> > > > >
> > > > > I await any response. In case it is possible, if some practical
> > > > > experience with this remedy can be shared?
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Harinder
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
