Guruji, what pt ji has written in lalkitab and what his contemporaries
say about his life style clearly shows that pt ji was a very broad
minded person. He has clearly written in SARSARI NOTE what is required
to understand this book. Some extra tools can make the job easier e.g.
Pt ji did the calculation part manually but now softwares are used.
Guru may be helpful in that sense but the guru should not be such as
he binds the subject. Pt ji was open minded to such an extent that he
laid great stress on purani rasme, kul purohit etc. He hinself didn't
wanted to be a guru. He gave whatever he had without any bondages.
Reccommending something that might be helpful but Imposing is not
right. Regards. Kulbir.
On 6/30/09, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Kulbir ji
>
> First of all, I strongly object to the conspiracy initiated by you and Jitin
> against me to deprive me of the title "The Dumbest". Mind you, I am the most
> eligible person for this title in the field of Lal Kitab.
>
> Since I have nothing to do with this spirituality thing, I am unable to
> comment on that. But "je ghoDi chaDhaya nee – taan chaDhdey taan batherey
> dekhey hi ney. So I would humbly like to convey to my learned colleagues in
> the forum that in my view spirituality in not like boasting of "having"
> something special, rather it's a process of becoming the absolute ZERO. I
> believe that this Zero status can be achieved without possessing anything
> special, but an open mind. I know many such people who are living in this
> materialistic world but still possess the high degree of this quality.
>
> Now, a few words about Guru. My dear friends, a Guru is not necessarily a
> human being. An ideology, an idea, a theory, even a good saying can be one's
> Guru. Moreover in my personal humble opinion, those whom Pundit jee has
> selected to spread the knowledge of divine Lal Kitab, those who are
> fortunate enough to touch these sacred scriptures, do not require any other
> Guru or Sad-Guru for the matter, or did they?
>
> I don't know what the spirituality or Guru means to others. But I expect
> every true Lal kitab student to be a broad minded like Pundit jee and always
> ready to share. I hate the tendency of "chunj Dubowan – par lukowan" adopted
> by some of our exalted colleagues. No one should feel himself free of his
> sacred duties after writing a few mails in the group, it is a perpetual
> process and everybody has to work hard to complete the task assigned by
> Pundit jee. So my dear friends, no half measure will do. Further propagation
> of such fatal tendencies will lead us to nowhere.
>
> I read all the beautiful posts, and the following is my observation:
>
> (1). whatever Mr Sumit has written, reflects whatever he has been "Taught".
> (2). whatever Mr Jitin has expressed, indicates whatever he has "Learned".
> (3). whatever Mr Kulbir has written, clearly shows whatever he has "Learned
> and experienced".
> (4). Whatever Acharya MS Kondal sahib has written is the part and parcel of
> his "Basic training".
> (5). and whatever I have expressed in the above lines is, whatever I "felt".
>
> I will share those interesting fables on an appropriate time as desired by
> you.
>
>
> Sincerely
> Yograj Prabhakar
>
>
> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@...> wrote:
>>
>> Syal ji, i am the dumbest, don't have a Satguru so i know totally
>> nothing about Sumeet ji's method but it has an appeal moresoever when
>> Kondal Sahib's endorses. U asked Where to sign for sure shot remedies?
>> I can only share my practical experience. Remedial portion involves an
>> extra dimension. Prabhakar ji is a guru. He explained this dimension
>> by telling a mythological story of Ek Pathi Ek Munda. These fables
>> might not have actually happenned but the essence is a saar of
>> observation of thousands of years which the seers observed. I come
>> from a rural background so i understood it in punjabi. I don't have
>> any forbiddance from his side to hide anything that i got from him.
>> But i would like him to translate it and send it in english also the
>> story of Buggla phadna and Syani Jethani Kamali Dewarani. Because
>> translation by 2nd person is not that effective. If he refuses then i
>> will do so without even asking for his permission. Let me explain the
>> reason for this also Lord Buddha prophecised that he will be
>> reincarnated in our/this present time by the name of MAITRAY people
>> are waiting for him. Some spiritual sects even experimented to bring
>> his soul in a body. Even a young boy (J Krishnamurthy's elder brother)
>> died in this process. BUT WHAT LORD BUDDHA MEANT TO CONVEY TO HIS
>> DISCIPLES WAS THAT GURU IN THESE TIMES WILL BE A FRIEND this is actual
>> meaning that he conveyed by MAITRAY. So Prabhakar ji and Senior
>> members of this and other lalkitab groups are like maitray guru to me.
>> Prabhakar ji being one of those with whom i quarrell with, abuse him,
>> yet i recieve his blessings his doors are always open knowing very
>> well what guru dakshina i have to offer. So i request him to tell
>> himself these in larger interest. Otherwise i am always at ur service.
>> Regards . Kulbir.
>>
>> On 6/27/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@...> wrote:
>> > Kulbir ji,
>> > I don't know sumit ji and his caliber and neither do i doubt it. i just
>> > know
>> > one thing i am probably the dumbest student in this group and nowhere
>> > near
>> > as any one else here.
>> > but don't you think he needs to know the true meaning of life before
>> > touching/ "being one" with god?
>> >
>> > He is saying that "naam-jaap" is the only true way to success,if that's
>> > the
>> > case............ where do i sign?
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Jitin Syal
>> >
>> > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Syal ji, u r right, two concepts should be clear 1. Meaning of success
>> >> 2. Explanation about the methodology. Lets hope Sumeet ji explains.
>> >> His explanation of horoscope matching is simply amazing. It shows that
>> >> he has a very high calibre. He writes 81 in his id. As per my
>> >> assumption if that is his birth year then such knowledge at this age
>> >> is a karishma. He indeed is a blessed soul. Regards. Kulbir.
>> >>
>> >> On 6/26/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:
>> >> > Kulbir paaji,
>> >> > I always feel that we(humans) are here to balance our negative,
>> >> > positives
>> >> > from previous births. if someone doesn't have something in this world
>> >> > he
>> >> > is
>> >> > just paying for his sins or vice versa. Even Pt. ji has left the
>> >> > "greh
>> >> > phal"
>> >> > planets untouched as somethings can't be changed.
>> >> >
>> >> > I totally agree that, any unnecessary intervention with Almighty's
>> >> > plan
>> >> > WILL
>> >> > backfire, hence my point was to ask sumit ji to elaborate their
>> >> > option/way
>> >> > one where he has predicted a "sure shot" at success.
>> >> >
>> >> > yours sincerely
>> >> > Jitin Syal
>> >> >
>> >> > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Syal ji, sumeet ji will answer ur querry. I would like to share a
>> >> >> fact. After world war the ratio of male child increased dramatically
>> >> >> as compared to female child. 1600 : 1000. Secondly determination of
>> >> >> gender at conception has parameters that are generally beyond human
>> >> >> control. But still nature has maintained the balance that life goes
>> >> >> on. Imagind a scenario if only male or only female child continued
>> >> >> say
>> >> >> for even a century. But it has not happenned. Why? There is a divine
>> >> >> scheme, jyotish is a tool to understand it. This divine scheme and
>> >> >> individual interests creat a confusion. Upaya may be suggessted but
>> >> >> the upayagar should have knowledge of the divine scheme.
>> >> >> Unneccessary
>> >> >> intervention will not yield results in the first place and if does
>> >> >> somebody is going to pay for it. Written very clearly in lalkitab.
>> >> >> Guru is a kind of superimposition on a person's mind to keep him
>> >> >> ever
>> >> >> alert. Regards. Kulbir.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 6/25/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:
>> >> >> > Sumit ji,
>> >> >> > Are you saying that option one is a gauranteed success/remedial
>> >> >> > measure
>> >> >> > without any risk of "backfire" or loss of spirituality??
>> >> >> > if so, please elaborate further.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Regards
>> >> >> > Jitin Syal
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "sumitbansal_81"
>> >> >> > <sumitbansal_81@>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Respected All,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> It is indeed a pleasure in itself to see and read such a
>> >> >> >> beautiful
>> >> >> >> topic
>> >> >> >> related to Astrology which clearly outlines the true nature and
>> >> >> >> objective
>> >> >> >> of Astrology. Kondalji has given us a marvelous insight in the
>> >> >> >> basic
>> >> >> >> idea
>> >> >> >> towards the mere existance of the Jyotish Shastra. It is righly
>> >> >> >> said
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> Jyotish is the "ISHVARIYA JYOTI" and is a guiding light of each
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> every
>> >> >> >> human being towards achieving the "Ultimate Goal" - to become
>> >> >> >> "One"
>> >> >> >> with
>> >> >> >> the GOD by providing the means to initiate the purification
>> >> >> >> process
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> "Chitt" and "Mann".
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> However, even when there are millions of human beings taking
>> >> >> >> birth
>> >> >> >> on
>> >> >> >> this
>> >> >> >> planet earth, not even one percent of them ever think about the
>> >> >> >> reason
>> >> >> >> as
>> >> >> >> why are they born and what is the specific task assigned to them
>> >> >> >> by
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> one Supreme God and which is the specific path, he/she has to
>> >> >> >> tread
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> order to achieve or fulfill that specific task?
>> >> >> >> And the saddest part of the story is that by the time one
>> >> >> >> realizes
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> need and authenticity of these questions, there is not enough
>> >> >> >> time
>> >> >> >> left
>> >> >> >> for him to achieve the set goal. A very famous Bollywood Song has
>> >> >> >> rightly
>> >> >> >> described this situaltion in the following lines:
>> >> >> >> "Ladakpan Khel Mein Khoya,
>> >> >> >> Jawaani Neend Bhar Soya,
>> >> >> >> Burhahpa Dekh Kar Roya,
>> >> >> >> Yehi Kissa Puraana Hai."
>> >> >> >> But Jyoish is that devine light which can help an individual by
>> >> >> >> breaking
>> >> >> >> the spell of his slumber just as the light of the morning sun
>> >> >> >> awakes
>> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> sleeping person.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Spiritualism oozes from each and every aspect of Jyotish Shastra.
>> >> >> >> The
>> >> >> >> only
>> >> >> >> consideration is the "View Point" or "Nazar" by which anyone
>> >> >> >> looks
>> >> >> >> at
>> >> >> >> it.
>> >> >> >> To illustrate, I can provide a very simple example of "Horoscope
>> >> >> >> Matching".
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Every human being has some kind of desire(s) present in his heart
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> these desires then lead to the formation of "Aasha" and
>> >> >> >> "Trishna".
>> >> >> >> This
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> turn leads to the creation of the "Karma" which ultimately
>> >> >> >> culminate
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> the formation of "Paap" and "Punya". These Paap and Punya are the
>> >> >> >> deciding
>> >> >> >> factors of the type and quality of the next life which this
>> >> >> >> jeevatma
>> >> >> >> has
>> >> >> >> to undergo.
>> >> >> >> Now the ultimate Goal of any individual is to become one with GOD
>> >> >> >> or
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> attain the state of "Adwait" and this can only be done by the
>> >> >> >> purification
>> >> >> >> of "Chitt" and "Mann" which can be attained by the purification
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> "Karma"
>> >> >> >> and this is the exact point where Jyotish comes into play.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Anyone can Purify the Karmas in Two Ways, either using both or
>> >> >> >> any
>> >> >> >> one
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> the two. And the two ways are:
>> >> >> >> 1. Naam Jaap - where the "Naam" is given by a "Sat-Guru" and the
>> >> >> >> "Sat-Guru" himself is guiding the person.
>> >> >> >> 2. Dividing or Cutting his Atma into few smaller pieces and then
>> >> >> >> purifying them one by one.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "YES, ATMA CAN ALSO BE CUT." and this is the ultimate truth of
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> spirituality which if understood properly, will describe as how
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> GOD
>> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> keeping himself alive or "Amar". I cannot describe more here due
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> "Guru
>> >> >> >> Agya" but, the only hint I can give is that a "Sperm" or "Beej"
>> >> >> >> created
>> >> >> >> inside the human body is as much living as we are and we all are
>> >> >> >> made
>> >> >> >> from
>> >> >> >> this "Sperm" and we all have atma. Female Egg can only provide
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> breeding ground for this so called "Beej" but, cannot impart the
>> >> >> >> "Atma"
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> the "Beej". So, where does this "Atma" comes into the "Beej" ????
>> >> >> >> Yes,
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> guessed it right, it is the "Ansh" of our own "Atma". And in this
>> >> >> >> particular sense, each Father is just like "Param-Atma" to his
>> >> >> >> offspring.
>> >> >> >> So, it is the atma of the Father which is cut into pieces
>> >> >> >> everytime
>> >> >> >> sperms
>> >> >> >> leaves his body. "No further explanation on this part can be
>> >> >> >> given
>> >> >> >> here
>> >> >> >> due to the sensitivity of the topic"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Now, if you are using the option "One" only then it is "Okay" in
>> >> >> >> all
>> >> >> >> sense. However, if you are using the Option "Two" or "Both the
>> >> >> >> options",
>> >> >> >> then there is a catch that the "Ansh" or "Beej of your Atma"
>> >> >> >> might
>> >> >> >> not
>> >> >> >> get
>> >> >> >> a proper breeding ground which might result into creation of more
>> >> >> >> desire
>> >> >> >> in the Beej due to lack of the proper "Nutrients" which a Beej
>> >> >> >> might
>> >> >> >> take
>> >> >> >> from Mother which will again create "Aasha" and "Trishna" and so
>> >> >> >> on
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> "Paap" and "Punya". And if this happens, then, the Beej again has
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> go
>> >> >> >> through the complete cycle of "Chauraasi".
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> As explained above, the so called "Nutrients" are nothing but the
>> >> >> >> "Guna"
>> >> >> >> of the Mother and the "Actual Requirement of the Beej" is the
>> >> >> >> "Guna"
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> the Father. So, if there is a mismatch between the two, then the
>> >> >> >> Option
>> >> >> >> Two is bound to fail which will create more distress in the human
>> >> >> >> society.
>> >> >> >> AND TO BE HONEST, OPTION TWO IS THE ONE WHICH IS BEING USED IN A
>> >> >> >> VERY
>> >> >> >> VERY
>> >> >> >> VERY LARGE PROPORTION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE ACTUAL TRUTH
>> >> >> >> BEHIND
>> >> >> >> THE
>> >> >> >> USE OF THIS OPTION. AND ONLY JYOTISH IS CAPABLE OF RECTIFYING
>> >> >> >> THIS
>> >> >> >> MISTAKE
>> >> >> >> OF MAN AND SHOWING AS HOW TO BEGET WORTHY CHILDREN BY PROPER
>> >> >> >> MATCHING
>> >> >> >> OF
>> >> >> >> SOIL AND SEED.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> This clearly shows the Criticality as why Horoscope Matching is
>> >> >> >> so
>> >> >> >> important and the undefiable relationship between Jyotish and
>> >> >> >> Aadhyatam.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In the end I can only say that Option One is the only True Option
>> >> >> >> as
>> >> >> >> Option Two is just like using a shortcut which has the reputation
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> "Backfiring Percentage" set at 99.99% as the Jyotish Shastra is
>> >> >> >> not
>> >> >> >> being
>> >> >> >> used as required. No one literally know as how to implement the
>> >> >> >> jyotish
>> >> >> >> shastra. All just know one thing and that is how to do the upai
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> also incorrect. If you are playing with gun loaded bullets, and
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> don't
>> >> >> >> know how to use the gun properly, then at least cover yourself
>> >> >> >> with
>> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> bulletproof dress first. Providing or telling Upai of something
>> >> >> >> so
>> >> >> >> much
>> >> >> >> spiritual will only erode you spiritually unless and untill you
>> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> required "Guru Kripa".
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I tender my apologies for being rude or harsh. My purpose of
>> >> >> >> writing
>> >> >> >> this
>> >> >> >> was not to offend anyone but to provide the exact scenario as
>> >> >> >> what
>> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> being done and what could it lead to. If I have hurt the feelings
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> anyone, then please ask yourself, "Do you really have the
>> >> >> >> required
>> >> >> >> Bullet-Proof Suite?" You will get the answer yourself. The
>> >> >> >> Supreme
>> >> >> >> God
>> >> >> >> speakes from the very inside of your "Chitt" or "Ghat-Mandir".
>> >> >> >> Listen
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> him and you will get the answer.....
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Whatever I have learned from my revered Guruji is as under:
>> >> >> >> "Guru Kripa Se Hai Mila,
>> >> >> >> Jiska Naam Sunaam.
>> >> >> >> Ghat Ghat Mein Bole Jo Sabke,
>> >> >> >> Hai Woh Atma Ram."
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> >> Sumit Bansal.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, maneshwar singh kondal
>> >> >> >> <mskondal@>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > date:18-6-2009
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > hello kulbir ji,
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > first of
>> >> >> >> > all let me thank u for discussing such a vital point in
>> >> >> >> > astrology
>> >> >> >> > or
>> >> >> >> > everybody life that why and for what we are doing any job as
>> >> >> >> > quoted
>> >> >> >> > by
>> >> >> >> > u that why we are using or doing astrology.this is a very
>> >> >> >> > crucial
>> >> >> >> > point
>> >> >> >> > and i will try to contribute from myside what ever i know
>> >> >> >> > openly
>> >> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> > would like everybody to share their views on this topic because
>> >> >> >> > this
>> >> >> >> > is
>> >> >> >> > directly related to our spiritual enlightenment and getting in
>> >> >> >> > touch
>> >> >> >> > with god.this topic is never ending and i request all members
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > keep
>> >> >> >> > on writing their true experiences and findings regarding
>> >> >> >> > spiritual
>> >> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> > worldly astrology and try to differentiate between the two.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > as kulbir ji has quoted from osho's book the words
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > jyotish
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > sampooranta
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > ekta
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > advait
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > all these words are self explanatry
>> >> >> >> > but if we start explaining them then we will become short of
>> >> >> >> > words
>> >> >> >> > but
>> >> >> >> > i would say that if we compile all these in one word we can say
>> >> >> >> > these
>> >> >> >> > are the qualities of one and only one supreme and that is the
>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE
>> >> >> >> > GOD.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > ACTUALLY WE ARE THE JEEVATMAS AND
>> >> >> >> > ARE PART OF THE SUPREME LORD AND DUE TO VARIOUS JANAMAS AND
>> >> >> >> > BIRTHS
>> >> >> >> > LOT
>> >> >> >> > OF MISCONCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN ENGRAVED IN OUR MINDS AND BECAUSE
>> >> >> >> > OF
>> >> >> >> > OUR
>> >> >> >> > SANCHIT KARMAS AND DUE TO PRARABDH WE ARE GETTING BIRTHS AGAIN
>> >> >> >> > AND
>> >> >> >> > AGAIN AND GETTING DETACHED FROM THE SUPREME DAY BY DAY TO
>> >> >> >> > FULFIL
>> >> >> >> > OUR
>> >> >> >> > WORLDLY DEEDS,WHICH ULTIMATELY LAND US NOWHERE ELSE THAN
>> >> >> >> > REBIRTH
>> >> >> >> > TO
>> >> >> >> > FULFIL OUR DESIRES AND WE GET USED TO THE RE BIRTH CYCLE AND
>> >> >> >> > CARRY
>> >> >> >> > ON
>> >> >> >> > AND FORGET OUR TRUE HOME THAT IS NONE OTHER THAN THE SUPREME
>> >> >> >> > FATHER
>> >> >> >> > GOD.BUT
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > REMEBER ONE THING
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > HE WHO GIVES ,GIVES,GIVES,GIVES.......... AND FORGIVES IS
>> >> >> >> > GOD
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > AND
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > WHO GETS, GETS, GETS, GETS............. AND FORGETS
>> >> >> >> > IS
>> >> >> >> > HUMAN
>> >> >> >> > BEING
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > THIS IS THE NATURE OF GOD
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > BUT THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF HIS
>> >> >> >> > FORGIVING NATURE BY DEFAULT THE SUPREME HAS PROGRAMMED EACH
>> >> >> >> > AND
>> >> >> >> > EVERY
>> >> >> >> > HUMAN MIND TO THINK OF ITSELF FOR THE ACTUAL TRUTH THAT WHY HE
>> >> >> >> > IS
>> >> >> >> > ON
>> >> >> >> > THIS EARTH?WHY HE IS BORN,WHAT HE HAS TO DO,IS HE HERE FOR
>> >> >> >> > MAKING
>> >> >> >> > MONEY
>> >> >> >> > OR IS HE HERE TO ENJOY WOMEN OR IS HE HERE TO FOOL OTHERS OR IS
>> >> >> >> > HE
>> >> >> >> > HERE
>> >> >> >> > TO MAKE PROPERTY?
>> >> >> >> > AND MANY MANY OTHER QUESTIONS, EVERY HUMAN THINKS IN HIS MIND
>> >> >> >> > SOME
>> >> >> >> > DAY
>> >> >> >> > SOME TIME .
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > THOSE R LUCKY WHO THINK AT EARLY
>> >> >> >> > STAGE OF LIFE AND MANY THINK AT LATER AGE BUT ALL OF THEM TRY
>> >> >> >> > TO
>> >> >> >> > UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL THING AND SOME R ABLE TO GET ANSWERS BUT
>> >> >> >> > THEY
>> >> >> >> > DONT HAVE THE TIME TO USE IT PRACTICALLY BECAUSE LIFE IS TOO
>> >> >> >> > SHORT.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > SO JYOTISH MEANS ISHVARIYA JYOTI AND EVERYBODY IS
>> >> >> >> > HAVING
>> >> >> >> > A
>> >> >> >> > PART OF IT BUT HOW MANY HAVE REALISED IT?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > SAMPOORANTA MEANS WHO HAS MASTERD THE ALL
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > EKTA MEANS ONENESS
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > ADWAIT AGAIN THE
>> >> >> >> > PERSON WHO HAS RAISED ABOVE FROM THE DVAIT BHAV THAT MEANS HE
>> >> >> >> > HAS
>> >> >> >> > NO
>> >> >> >> > DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
>> >> >> >> > T
>> >> >> >> > - HE TWO. MEANS JO DO SE EK ROOP
>> >> >> >> > HO
>> >> >> >> > JAYE
>> >> >> >> > .
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > AS I SAID IT IS JUST A START I DONT
>> >> >> >> > KNOW WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ,BUT THIS IS THE TOPIC WHICH IS
>> >> >> >> > ATTACHED
>> >> >> >> > WITH
>> >> >> >> > EVERY BODY LIFE SO KEEP ON DISCUSSING IT .PRADEEP SHARMA JI WAS
>> >> >> >> > TELLING
>> >> >> >> > ME MOST OF THE TIMES THAT I SHOULD START SUCH A TOPIC BUT I WAS
>> >> >> >> > WAITING
>> >> >> >> > REALLY FOR THE DAY, THAT THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN SOME ONE WILL
>> >> >> >> > COME
>> >> >> >> > OUT OF SO MANY LEARNED PEOPLE AND WILL ASK FOR THE TRUE MEANING
>> >> >> >> > OF
>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY.YET I HAVE NOT WRITTEN MUCH BUT I WILL LOVE TO WRITE
>> >> >> >> > MORE
>> >> >> >> > BECAUSE THIS IS THE QUESTION RELATED TO OUR TRUE SELF AND IT IS
>> >> >> >> > MY
>> >> >> >> > FOREMOST DUTY TO ANSWER AND WILL TRY TO TELL WHAT I EXPERIENCED
>> >> >> >> > AND
>> >> >> >> > WILL LEARN FROM ALL MY SENIORS AND COLLEAGUES WHO R REALLY
>> >> >> >> > DESPERATELY
>> >> >> >> > AND SINCERELY FINDING LOTS AND LOTS OF THINGS BY MEANS OF
>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY
>> >> >> >> > TO
>> >> >> >> > GIVE BENEFITS TO THE SOCIETY
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > THERE IS A GURUBANI QUOTE BHAYI PRAPAT MANUKH DEOHRIA
>> >> >> >> > GOBIND
>> >> >> >> > MILAN KI EHO TERI BARIYA
>> >> >> >> > AVAR
>> >> >> >> > KAAJ
>> >> >> >> > TERE
>> >> >> >> > KITE NAA KAAM MIL SAADH SANGAT BHAJ KEVAL NAAM
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > MEANS: FOR WHAT U HAVE GOT
>> >> >> >> > BIRTH
>> >> >> >> > ON
>> >> >> >> > THIS UNIVERSE? U HAVE GOT THIS HUMAN BODY TO MEET THE SUPREME
>> >> >> >> > THE
>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND THAT TOO U CAN DO WITHIN THIS HUMAN BIRTH
>> >> >> >> > ONLY,YOUR
>> >> >> >> > ALL
>> >> >> >> > OTHER DEEDS WONT GIVE U ANYTHING AT ALL,ONLY AND ONLY
>> >> >> >> > RECITATION
>> >> >> >> > OF
>> >> >> >> > THE
>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND GETTING UNITED WITH IT IS YOUR GOAL.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > in the last i would say, by the help
>> >> >> >> > of astrology everybody should try to find the sins or the
>> >> >> >> > sanchit
>> >> >> >> > karmas by means of planets and try to get rid of their
>> >> >> >> > influences
>> >> >> >> > by
>> >> >> >> > jap daan homas and sewa and many other means but should do
>> >> >> >> > these
>> >> >> >> > things
>> >> >> >> > sincerely and with a fear in mind that i have to get out of
>> >> >> >> > this
>> >> >> >> > cycle
>> >> >> >> > or any bad habit which i am having because of the planets bad
>> >> >> >> > influence, because of sanchit karmas.so we r here to get
>> >> >> >> > lessons
>> >> >> >> > from
>> >> >> >> > our previous births and lead a new life in this birth with the
>> >> >> >> > help
>> >> >> >> > of
>> >> >> >> > astrology by trying to rectifying our bad vices and lusts for
>> >> >> >> > life
>> >> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> > try to become detached from worldly deeds.sorry everybody if i
>> >> >> >> > had
>> >> >> >> > written anything wrong and ever hurt any body sentiments.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Regards
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > MS KONDAL
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > ________________________________
>> >> >> >> > From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>
>> >> >> >> > To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
>> >> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53:08 AM
>> >> >> >> > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Ashok ji; why study astrology?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Respected Ashok ji; since the day u asked " why am i interested
>> >> >> >> > in
>> >> >> >> > study of astrology" i was looking for an answer. I read Osho's
>> >> >> >> > article
>> >> >> >> > on astrology he writes " JYOTISH SAMPOORANTA, EAKTA AUR ADVAIT
>> >> >> >> > KA
>> >> >> >> > VIGYAN HAI". Regards. Kulbir.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > Kulbir Ji,
>> >> >> >> > > Thanks a lots.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Best of regards
>> >> >> >> > > Ashok Singh
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> > > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW MUCH
>> >> >> >> > > ??
>> >> >> >> > > )
>> >> >> >> > > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
>> >> >> >> > > Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:36 AM
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Ashok ji, page 155-157 of 1952 part 3 uploaded by Nirmal ji
>> >> >> >> > > ....
>> >> >> >> > > SEHAT, BIMARI, NAFA, NUKSAAN, FATEH, SHIKASAT (these words
>> >> >> >> > > include
>> >> >> >> > > all
>> >> >> >> > > of ur querries) har do pehlu ke liye yahi asool honge. This
>> >> >> >> > > line
>> >> >> >> > > is
>> >> >> >> > > 2nd line under subhead BIMAARI on page 155 as ref. above. But
>> >> >> >> > > my
>> >> >> >> > > friend this is not all inclusive. e.g. Bimari of aathraa is
>> >> >> >> > > explained
>> >> >> >> > > in farmaan no. 161 1939 volume. Go in for short cuts only in
>> >> >> >> > > desperate
>> >> >> >> > > situation. For study and research follow guidelines given by
>> >> >> >> > > pt.
>> >> >> >> > > Ji
>> >> >> >> > > in
>> >> >> >> > > SARSARI NOTE Regards. Kulbir.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > >> Kulbir Ji,
>> >> >> >> > >> Thanks for the reply. If you can write me where in lal kitab
>> >> >> >> > >> written
>> >> >> >> > >> how
>> >> >> >> > >> to
>> >> >> >> > >> evaluate
>> >> >> >> > >> the native range of success, that would be great.
>> >> >> >> > >> I am very much interested in the intensity(scale) of health,
>> >> >> >> > >> success
>> >> >> >> > >> or
>> >> >> >> > >> failure.
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Best regards
>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok Singh
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> > >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> > >> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW
>> >> >> >> > >> MUCH
>> >> >> >> > >> ?? )
>> >> >> >> > >> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
>> >> >> >> > >> Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 12:03 PM
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok ji, what u are saying is represented loosely by the
>> >> >> >> > >> term
>> >> >> >> > >> oxymoron. Secondly health and success may be related
>> >> >> >> > >> somehow.
>> >> >> >> > >> But
>> >> >> >> > >> illness is no deterent to success. Then success in which
>> >> >> >> > >> field?
>> >> >> >> > >> It
>> >> >> >> > >> has
>> >> >> >> > >> to be specific. Lastly the dictum that all houses and
>> >> >> >> > >> planets
>> >> >> >> > >> have
>> >> >> >> > >> to
>> >> >> >> > >> be considered before reaching a conclusion. This type of
>> >> >> >> > >> isolated
>> >> >> >> > >> study is against the basic rules of lalkitab. Regards.
>> >> >> >> > >> Kulbir.
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> On 6/12/09, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > >>> Dear Members,
>> >> >> >> > >>> In a horoscope priciple to see health,sucess/ failure is
>> >> >> >> > >>> the
>> >> >> >> > >>> same.
>> >> >> >> > >>> Can we find range of sucess as in Lal kitab written HNo. 10
>> >> >> >> > >>> shows
>> >> >> >> > >>> the intensity of illiness does it applicable for sucess
>> >> >> >> > >>> also.
>> >> >> >> > >>> It would be really appreciated.
>> >> >> >> > >>> My real goal is to find HOW MUCH i.e. what would be the
>> >> >> >> > >>> range
>> >> >> >> > >>> of
>> >> >> >> > >>> sucess.
>> >> >> >> > >>>
>> >> >> >> > >>> Thanks
>> >> >> >> > >>> Ashok
>> >> >> >> > >>>
>> >> >> >> > >>>
>> >> >> >> > >>>
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