respected seniors and my colleagues,
Its really nice to see that good discussion on the topic of of real spiritulism and true self is going on very nicely and everybody efforts are worth praising.
as far as astrology is concerened what ever branch of astrology it might be ,it comes under worldly knowledge or sansarik vidya out of the 64 vidyas.just like medicines yantarik vidya means engineering,
but sab se uttam and apna bhi kalyaan karnewali aur jan kalyaan bhi karnewali vidya hai adhyaatamik gyan ki vidya in which or thru which one realises true self and becomes one with god.
other than this knowledge whichever knowledge is there ,man becomes proud of his vidya and says i have done this but thru this vidya person learns to see and say with gu ru kirpa that i am not the doer ,karta to vo sirf aur sirf parmatma hi hai,yeh to us ki kripa hui hai ki us ne mujhe is kam ka shreya diya. and one doesnt gets attached with the result.
lets take astrology, jab bhi koi upaye karwata hai to jab kaam ho jata hai to yeh kehte hue aadmi thakta nahin ki is ko maine upaye bataya tha and he achieved the results and is trapped in the net of getting praise and thinking himself superior to others and even god also.
and true guru is the only and only one supereme dignity who gets you detached from the clutches of this worldy bondages and makes u understand that you as a human are not the doer ,doer is somebody else.and that is your true self and your destination.
what i have learned and understood is this that
GURU MEANS AGYAAN KE ANDHERE KO MITANE WALA AUR PRAKAS KA GYAAN KARWANE WALA .
I HAVE FOUND MYSELF : THAT GURU IS THE REAL MANIFESTATION THROUGH WHICH WE CAN DIRECTLY EXPERIENCE OUR CAPACITIES AND INADEQUACIES.
see today we all are longing to learn lal kitab and its concepts and its true grammar and ideology.but can we say today with full confidence that yes i have mastered this thing or any topic or the entire book?. i think everybody will say no.because we have no authority to say or test us like pu ndit ji himself.if he would have been there in physical form which we all loved him to be with us and might have directed us and shown us the true path and he was capable and able to say this with an authority that yes you are on the right tract and this is the only actuall procedure to be adopted .and this is the role of true guru in everybody life .baaki main to apna keh sakta ho ki hum to kyaafa hi laga sakte hain agar guru us mein hi kirpa kar deta hai to yeh us ki inaayat hai.
there is a quote in gurbani
farida khaalak khalak vase khalak vase rab mahe manda kis nu aakhiye jaa tis bin koi nahi
means parmatma duniya mein basta hai aur duniya parmatma mein basti hai phir hum bura bhala kis ko kahen.
aur jo guru hota hai woh sirf aur sirf aap ko parmaatma se jodta hai and makes you realise that other all things are perishable only and only non perishable one is GOD.and it lies within you.he gives you a suggestion and keeps on giving you until it becomes an auto suggestion to you.and thats is his job and once it is done then u go to any place whether far or near you r well equipped with the thought and u wont fail anywhere .
i heard in kathas that sri krishan mahraj also said that i have so many gurus i cant remember the number but i will try,meaning is this that u need guru for each and every thing ,and its the guru only who will tell that whether the raga which u r singing or playing on the instrument is right aur wrong .kabhi bhi koi kitabain padh kar yaa apne aap ggaa kar gavaie nahin banta .uske ustad hi batate hai kahan sur kam lagni hai kahan taal tez karni hai.
guru has the experience with him and he doesent hesitate to share it with his disciple and makes him equivalent to him.imagine how much the true guru gives us.
but on the other hand if we see our selves we will find that if we find and good upaye or develope any logic after practiscing so many years we try our best to hide it from others so that any body should not come to know about it ,if it happened i will be at loss.
this thing is not in the gurubecause he is above all this praise and hate .his work is like paras pathar which makes the other thing as same as it is jis ko bhi touch karta hai apne jaisa bana deta hai.
yh baat bhi darust hai that we have to live in this world and we have to follow its worldly rules also but by bearing this thing in our mind that this is not our final destination .our final destination is to become one witth god.and that we can realise through that person who is already awakened or enlightened.
jaagta hua hi jaagte ko jagayega.
its true to get persons or gurus of the above nature are very hard to find but milengae to dhoondanae se hi baatae karne se nahin.see prabhakar ji had the dream to make all the books online aaj most of the original books are online sabhi hi hain,and that too within a short span of time.is se pehle bhi to logon ke paass books thi magar kise ne online nahin ki kyoki koi baantna nahin chahta tha .as already said .pandit ji ne bhi to kitabein baanti thi.phir hum kaun hote hain chuppa kar rakhne wale.sacchae granth yaa kitabein jo sach byaan karti hai woh kabhi bhi chuppi nahin reh sakti.sach to aakhir sach hai woh to saamne aakar hi rahega.
guru is the person in front of whom we surrender ourselves in all means.
gurbani says
jao tao prem khelan kaa chao
sir dhar gali meri aao
it marg pair dhreeje
sir deejee kaan na kije
guru can be as many but sat guru is only and only one the supereme lord GOD.
guru is the string between god and us and without that string we can't realise GOD.its really nice to write on such a topic .thanks every body for taking their valuable time t`o read abd participate in the ongoing discussion.
Regards,
MS KONDAL
From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@
To: astrostudents@
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 11:30:41 AM
Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Why study Astrology?
Syal ji, when lord Buddha was to leave this world he was asked to give
the last sermon. Lord said APPDEEPOBHAV meaning BE A LIGHT UNTO UR
SELF. Apne deepak khud bano. Anusaran mat karo. Guru matr ik khoonti
hai jo koi bhi ho sakta hai. Asli baat to khud ke badlane ki hai.
Jesus says that he will be ur witness on the judgement day. Guru's job
is to be witness "Has the subject been accepted." i would also like to
ask Sumeet Ji, duniya me rah kar hi khudai pahunch pakadani hai to
Duniyavi hisaab kitaab se chalna padega. Agar granth likha hai to kiss
arth se likha hai. Iska prayojan kya hai. Iske sahi istemaal ka tarika
kya hai. Hope he answers. Regards. Kulbir.
On 6/27/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
>
> Sumit ji,
>
> I might not have a "sat-guru" like yours but i know one thing, if guru
> doesn't permit something (in your case talking about this sensitive
> issue) then one SHOULD NOT do it.
>
> "guru Agya" bina kuch nahi karna chahiye, so i would advise you to first
> follow your guru ji properly, secondly my friend there is only one guru
> in my eyes.
>
> Thirdly my philosophy is if ur heart is pure and always ready to help
> everyone that's my quota of "naam jaap"
>
> famous saying is "ghar se masjid hai bahut door to kissi rote to sahara
> dedo".
>
> also i don't agree when you say that i need to find a "sat guru", who am
> i to find him??? meri kya aukat hai?
>
>
> Then again this is my thinking and i am happy with it, when i die i want
> to be able to stand in front of god with broad chest and ask him "how do
> you think i went?" and let him decide.
>
> This is kalyug my friend even the so called "sat gurus" you see on tv
> nowadays are nothing but a mere publicity stunt in order to broaden
> their following and hence revenue.
>
> I think the only real "guru" you need is in yourself. if i am ever to do
> anything wrong, something from inside me stops me from doing it, to me
> that's my "guru" stopping me and guiding me.
>
> look my aim is not to foul-mouth about you or your "sat-guru", i have
> the utmost respect for your guru ji and i don't think a person like me
> can ever become even 1/10th of him. i have never disrespected a "guru"
> and never will.
>
> And yes i do know that sometimes "sat-guru's" ashirwad works miracles
> and it's also written in LK. my point is if "naam-jaap" was the way of
> getting success(material) , everyone would have started doing it.
>
> In end once again i would humbly apologize if i have hurt anyone's
> feelings but i am a person of very open thoughts (as you can see). when
> i gotta say something, i do it without worrying about the consequences.
>
> Meri nazar mein insaan ki asli kamayi uski kamayi huyi duyaayein hai,
> which are ALWAYS going to benefit him.
>
> Every LK follower has(and should have) only one Guru,i.e the great Pt.
> Roop chand Joshi ji himself.
>
> Regards
>
> Jitin Syal
>
> --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, "sumitbansal_ 81"
> <sumitbansal_ 81@...> wrote:
>>
>> Jitin Jee,
>>
>> I apologize for the delayed response, however, I was just thinking as
> why have you asked this question?
>>
>> The Option One was to do the "Naam Jaap" which is specifically given
> by the "Sat-Guru" and in addition to it, the "Sat-Guru" should be
> guiding the individual. Now, if "Sat-Guru" is guiding the person
> himself, then it is bound that he will not let the person do any kind of
> so called "Unnecessary Intervention" in any of the plans of the Amighty.
> Further, if the individual is also doing "Proper" Naam-Jaap then there
> is no way, that he himself will ever be thinking of doing something
> which is against the Almighty.
>>
>> I don't know about you or anyone else, however, I know one thing that
> I HAVE BEEN able to understand GOD in a much broader sense. You can say
> that I have "Touched" the God himself. Yet, I am far far away from him.
> And I can say one thing with full confidence and authority that I or
> anyone else does not have even an iota of capability to change the Will
> of the Supreme Almighty.
>>
>> Secondly, this is "Not" a prediction. This is something which is,
> which was and which will remain forever because in this "Option One" of
> "Naam Jaap" there is no "Law of Change".
>>
>> Thirdly, this "Option One" just does not come under the field of
> "Jyotish". However, "Jyotish" is something which comes under the field
> of "Adhyatam". A person who is spiritually very strong will tell the
> complete story of your life by just looking at your face of even by just
> your name, however, A person who is very very strong in Jyotish cannot
> even tell if a person sitting in front of him is spiritullay strong or
> just spiritual because Jyotish can only tell if a person has some kind
> of spiritual inclination or not. But, it cannot tell the depth of it.
> Evan "Lal Kitab" says only one thing in relation to the depth of
> spirituality that "Khudai Pahunch Darja Kamal Hogi". Now, how to
> describe the "Darja Kamal" is upto the Astrologer.
>>
>> Finally, "Lal Kitab" also states one line that "Duniyaavi Hisaab Kitab
> Hai, Koi Dava-e-Khudai nahi". So, "Lal Kitab" or any other Jyotish is
> applicable only on Option Two, where "Duniyaavi Hisaab Kitab" is
> maintained. "Option One" deals with ONLY "Dava-e-Khudai" and that is
> beyond this topic and I don't even have the required "Guru-Agya" to
> explain it to anyone.
>>
>> If still you are interested in knowing Option One more, then, first
> find a "Sat-Guru" and then seek his/her blessings. This is the only way.
> No Shortcuts. Yet, sure-shot.
>>
>> Famous Couplets of "Kabir" says it all:
>>
>> "Yeh Tan Vish Ki Belri, Guru Amrit Ki Khaan.
>> Sheesh Diyo jo Guru Mile, To Bhi Sasta Jaan."
>>
>> "Saari Dharti Kaagaz Karoon, Saara Jal Syahi Ho Jaaye,
>> Saare Van ko Kalam Karoon, Phir Bhi Guru Gun Likha Na Jaaye"
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sumit Bansal.
>>
>> --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, "jitinsyal82" jitinsyal82@
> wrote:
>> >
>> > Kulbir paaji,
>> > I always feel that we(humans) are here to balance our negative,
> positives from previous births. if someone doesn't have something in
> this world he is just paying for his sins or vice versa. Even Pt. ji has
> left the "greh phal" planets untouched as somethings can't be changed.
>> >
>> > I totally agree that, any unnecessary intervention with Almighty's
> plan WILL backfire, hence my point was to ask sumit ji to elaborate
> their option/way one where he has predicted a "sure shot" at success.
>> >
>> > yours sincerely
>> > Jitin Syal
>> >
>> > --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ >
> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Syal ji, sumeet ji will answer ur querry. I would like to share a
>> > > fact. After world war the ratio of male child increased
> dramatically
>> > > as compared to female child. 1600 : 1000. Secondly determination
> of
>> > > gender at conception has parameters that are generally beyond
> human
>> > > control. But still nature has maintained the balance that life
> goes
>> > > on. Imagind a scenario if only male or only female child continued
> say
>> > > for even a century. But it has not happenned. Why? There is a
> divine
>> > > scheme, jyotish is a tool to understand it. This divine scheme and
>> > > individual interests creat a confusion. Upaya may be suggessted
> but
>> > > the upayagar should have knowledge of the divine scheme.
> Unneccessary
>> > > intervention will not yield results in the first place and if does
>> > > somebody is going to pay for it. Written very clearly in lalkitab.
>> > > Guru is a kind of superimposition on a person's mind to keep him
> ever
>> > > alert. Regards. Kulbir.
>> > >
>> > > On 6/25/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@ > wrote:
>> > > > Sumit ji,
>> > > > Are you saying that option one is a gauranteed success/remedial
> measure
>> > > > without any risk of "backfire" or loss of spirituality? ?
>> > > > if so, please elaborate further.
>> > > >
>> > > > Regards
>> > > > Jitin Syal
>> > > >
>> > > > --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, "sumitbansal_ 81"
> <sumitbansal_ 81@>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Respected All,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> It is indeed a pleasure in itself to see and read such a
> beautiful topic
>> > > >> related to Astrology which clearly outlines the true nature and
> objective
>> > > >> of Astrology. Kondalji has given us a marvelous insight in the
> basic idea
>> > > >> towards the mere existance of the Jyotish Shastra. It is righly
> said that
>> > > >> Jyotish is the "ISHVARIYA JYOTI" and is a guiding light of each
> and every
>> > > >> human being towards achieving the "Ultimate Goal" - to become
> "One" with
>> > > >> the GOD by providing the means to initiate the purification
> process of
>> > > >> "Chitt" and "Mann".
>> > > >>
>> > > >> However, even when there are millions of human beings taking
> birth on this
>> > > >> planet earth, not even one percent of them ever think about the
> reason as
>> > > >> why are they born and what is the specific task assigned to
> them by that
>> > > >> one Supreme God and which is the specific path, he/she has to
> tread in
>> > > >> order to achieve or fulfill that specific task?
>> > > >> And the saddest part of the story is that by the time one
> realizes the
>> > > >> need and authenticity of these questions, there is not enough
> time left
>> > > >> for him to achieve the set goal. A very famous Bollywood Song
> has rightly
>> > > >> described this situaltion in the following lines:
>> > > >> "Ladakpan Khel Mein Khoya,
>> > > >> Jawaani Neend Bhar Soya,
>> > > >> Burhahpa Dekh Kar Roya,
>> > > >> Yehi Kissa Puraana Hai."
>> > > >> But Jyoish is that devine light which can help an individual by
> breaking
>> > > >> the spell of his slumber just as the light of the morning sun
> awakes a
>> > > >> sleeping person.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Spiritualism oozes from each and every aspect of Jyotish
> Shastra. The only
>> > > >> consideration is the "View Point" or "Nazar" by which anyone
> looks at it.
>> > > >> To illustrate, I can provide a very simple example of
> "Horoscope
>> > > >> Matching".
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Every human being has some kind of desire(s) present in his
> heart and
>> > > >> these desires then lead to the formation of "Aasha" and
> "Trishna". This in
>> > > >> turn leads to the creation of the "Karma" which ultimately
> culminate in
>> > > >> the formation of "Paap" and "Punya". These Paap and Punya are
> the deciding
>> > > >> factors of the type and quality of the next life which this
> jeevatma has
>> > > >> to undergo.
>> > > >> Now the ultimate Goal of any individual is to become one with
> GOD or to
>> > > >> attain the state of "Adwait" and this can only be done by the
> purification
>> > > >> of "Chitt" and "Mann" which can be attained by the purification
> of "Karma"
>> > > >> and this is the exact point where Jyotish comes into play.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Anyone can Purify the Karmas in Two Ways, either using both or
> any one of
>> > > >> the two. And the two ways are:
>> > > >> 1. Naam Jaap - where the "Naam" is given by a "Sat-Guru" and
> the
>> > > >> "Sat-Guru" himself is guiding the person.
>> > > >> 2. Dividing or Cutting his Atma into few smaller pieces and
> then
>> > > >> purifying them one by one.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> "YES, ATMA CAN ALSO BE CUT." and this is the ultimate truth of
> the
>> > > >> spirituality which if understood properly, will describe as how
> the GOD is
>> > > >> keeping himself alive or "Amar". I cannot describe more here
> due to "Guru
>> > > >> Agya" but, the only hint I can give is that a "Sperm" or "Beej"
> created
>> > > >> inside the human body is as much living as we are and we all
> are made from
>> > > >> this "Sperm" and we all have atma. Female Egg can only provide
> the
>> > > >> breeding ground for this so called "Beej" but, cannot impart
> the "Atma" in
>> > > >> the "Beej". So, where does this "Atma" comes into the "Beej"
> ???? Yes, you
>> > > >> guessed it right, it is the "Ansh" of our own "Atma". And in
> this
>> > > >> particular sense, each Father is just like "Param-Atma" to his
> offspring.
>> > > >> So, it is the atma of the Father which is cut into pieces
> everytime sperms
>> > > >> leaves his body. "No further explanation on this part can be
> given here
>> > > >> due to the sensitivity of the topic"
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Now, if you are using the option "One" only then it is "Okay"
> in all
>> > > >> sense. However, if you are using the Option "Two" or "Both the
> options",
>> > > >> then there is a catch that the "Ansh" or "Beej of your Atma"
> might not get
>> > > >> a proper breeding ground which might result into creation of
> more desire
>> > > >> in the Beej due to lack of the proper "Nutrients" which a Beej
> might take
>> > > >> from Mother which will again create "Aasha" and "Trishna" and
> so on to
>> > > >> "Paap" and "Punya". And if this happens, then, the Beej again
> has to go
>> > > >> through the complete cycle of "Chauraasi".
>> > > >>
>> > > >> As explained above, the so called "Nutrients" are nothing but
> the "Guna"
>> > > >> of the Mother and the "Actual Requirement of the Beej" is the
> "Guna" of
>> > > >> the Father. So, if there is a mismatch between the two, then
> the Option
>> > > >> Two is bound to fail which will create more distress in the
> human society.
>> > > >> AND TO BE HONEST, OPTION TWO IS THE ONE WHICH IS BEING USED IN
> A VERY VERY
>> > > >> VERY LARGE PROPORTION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE ACTUAL TRUTH
> BEHIND THE
>> > > >> USE OF THIS OPTION. AND ONLY JYOTISH IS CAPABLE OF RECTIFYING
> THIS MISTAKE
>> > > >> OF MAN AND SHOWING AS HOW TO BEGET WORTHY CHILDREN BY PROPER
> MATCHING OF
>> > > >> SOIL AND SEED.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> This clearly shows the Criticality as why Horoscope Matching is
> so
>> > > >> important and the undefiable relationship between Jyotish and
> Aadhyatam.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> In the end I can only say that Option One is the only True
> Option as
>> > > >> Option Two is just like using a shortcut which has the
> reputation of
>> > > >> "Backfiring Percentage" set at 99.99% as the Jyotish Shastra is
> not being
>> > > >> used as required. No one literally know as how to implement the
> jyotish
>> > > >> shastra. All just know one thing and that is how to do the upai
> and that
>> > > >> also incorrect. If you are playing with gun loaded bullets, and
> you don't
>> > > >> know how to use the gun properly, then at least cover yourself
> with a
>> > > >> bulletproof dress first. Providing or telling Upai of something
> so much
>> > > >> spiritual will only erode you spiritually unless and untill you
> have the
>> > > >> required "Guru Kripa".
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I tender my apologies for being rude or harsh. My purpose of
> writing this
>> > > >> was not to offend anyone but to provide the exact scenario as
> what is
>> > > >> being done and what could it lead to. If I have hurt the
> feelings of
>> > > >> anyone, then please ask yourself, "Do you really have the
> required
>> > > >> Bullet-Proof Suite?" You will get the answer yourself. The
> Supreme God
>> > > >> speakes from the very inside of your "Chitt" or "Ghat-Mandir" .
> Listen to
>> > > >> him and you will get the answer.....
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Whatever I have learned from my revered Guruji is as under:
>> > > >> "Guru Kripa Se Hai Mila,
>> > > >> Jiska Naam Sunaam.
>> > > >> Ghat Ghat Mein Bole Jo Sabke,
>> > > >> Hai Woh Atma Ram."
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Regards,
>> > > >> Sumit Bansal.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, maneshwar singh kondal
> <mskondal@>
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > date:18-6-2009
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > hello kulbir ji,
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > first of
>> > > >> > all let me thank u for discussing such a vital point in
> astrology or
>> > > >> > everybody life that why and for what we are doing any job as
> quoted by
>> > > >> > u that why we are using or doing astrology.this is a very
> crucial point
>> > > >> > and i will try to contribute from myside what ever i know
> openly and
>> > > >> > would like everybody to share their views on this topic
> because this is
>> > > >> > directly related to our spiritual enlightenment and getting
> in touch
>> > > >> > with god.this topic is never ending and i request all members
> to keep
>> > > >> > on writing their true experiences and findings regarding
> spiritual and
>> > > >> > worldly astrology and try to differentiate between the two.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > as kulbir ji has quoted from osho's book the words
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > jyotish
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > sampooranta
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > ekta
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > advait
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > all these words are self explanatry
>> > > >> > but if we start explaining them then we will become short of
> words but
>> > > >> > i would say that if we compile all these in one word we can
> say these
>> > > >> > are the qualities of one and only one supreme and that is the
> ULTIMATE
>> > > >> > GOD.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > ACTUALLY WE ARE THE JEEVATMAS AND
>> > > >> > ARE PART OF THE SUPREME LORD AND DUE TO VARIOUS JANAMAS AND
> BIRTHS LOT
>> > > >> > OF MISCONCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN ENGRAVED IN OUR MINDS AND BECAUSE
> OF OUR
>> > > >> > SANCHIT KARMAS AND DUE TO PRARABDH WE ARE GETTING BIRTHS
> AGAIN AND
>> > > >> > AGAIN AND GETTING DETACHED FROM THE SUPREME DAY BY DAY TO
> FULFIL OUR
>> > > >> > WORLDLY DEEDS,WHICH ULTIMATELY LAND US NOWHERE ELSE THAN
> REBIRTH TO
>> > > >> > FULFIL OUR DESIRES AND WE GET USED TO THE RE BIRTH CYCLE AND
> CARRY ON
>> > > >> > AND FORGET OUR TRUE HOME THAT IS NONE OTHER THAN THE SUPREME
> FATHER
>> > > >> > GOD.BUT
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > REMEBER ONE THING
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > HE WHO GIVES ,GIVES,GIVES, GIVES.... ...... AND FORGIVES IS GOD
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > AND
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > WHO GETS, GETS, GETS, GETS........ ..... AND FORGETS IS HUMAN
>> > > >> > BEING
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > THIS IS THE NATURE OF GOD
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > BUT THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF HIS
>> > > >> > FORGIVING NATURE BY DEFAULT THE SUPREME HAS PROGRAMMED EACH
> AND EVERY
>> > > >> > HUMAN MIND TO THINK OF ITSELF FOR THE ACTUAL TRUTH THAT WHY
> HE IS ON
>> > > >> > THIS EARTH?WHY HE IS BORN,WHAT HE HAS TO DO,IS HE HERE FOR
> MAKING MONEY
>> > > >> > OR IS HE HERE TO ENJOY WOMEN OR IS HE HERE TO FOOL OTHERS OR
> IS HE HERE
>> > > >> > TO MAKE PROPERTY?
>> > > >> > AND MANY MANY OTHER QUESTIONS, EVERY HUMAN THINKS IN HIS MIND
> SOME DAY
>> > > >> > SOME TIME .
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > THOSE R LUCKY WHO THINK AT EARLY
>> > > >> > STAGE OF LIFE AND MANY THINK AT LATER AGE BUT ALL OF THEM TRY
> TO
>> > > >> > UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL THING AND SOME R ABLE TO GET ANSWERS
> BUT THEY
>> > > >> > DONT HAVE THE TIME TO USE IT PRACTICALLY BECAUSE LIFE IS TOO
> SHORT.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > SO JYOTISH MEANS ISHVARIYA JYOTI AND EVERYBODY IS HAVING A
>> > > >> > PART OF IT BUT HOW MANY HAVE REALISED IT?
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > SAMPOORANTA MEANS WHO HAS MASTERD THE ALL
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > EKTA MEANS ONENESS
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > ADWAIT AGAIN THE
>> > > >> > PERSON WHO HAS RAISED ABOVE FROM THE DVAIT BHAV THAT MEANS HE
> HAS NO
>> > > >> > DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
>> > > >> > T
>> > > >> > - HE TWO. MEANS JO DO SE EK ROOP HO JAYE .
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > AS I SAID IT IS JUST A START I DONT
>> > > >> > KNOW WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ,BUT THIS IS THE TOPIC WHICH IS
> ATTACHED WITH
>> > > >> > EVERY BODY LIFE SO KEEP ON DISCUSSING IT .PRADEEP SHARMA JI
> WAS TELLING
>> > > >> > ME MOST OF THE TIMES THAT I SHOULD START SUCH A TOPIC BUT I
> WAS WAITING
>> > > >> > REALLY FOR THE DAY, THAT THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN SOME ONE
> WILL COME
>> > > >> > OUT OF SO MANY LEARNED PEOPLE AND WILL ASK FOR THE TRUE
> MEANING OF
>> > > >> > ASTROLOGY.YET I HAVE NOT WRITTEN MUCH BUT I WILL LOVE TO
> WRITE MORE
>> > > >> > BECAUSE THIS IS THE QUESTION RELATED TO OUR TRUE SELF AND IT
> IS MY
>> > > >> > FOREMOST DUTY TO ANSWER AND WILL TRY TO TELL WHAT I
> EXPERIENCED AND
>> > > >> > WILL LEARN FROM ALL MY SENIORS AND COLLEAGUES WHO R REALLY
> DESPERATELY
>> > > >> > AND SINCERELY FINDING LOTS AND LOTS OF THINGS BY MEANS OF
> ASTROLOGY TO
>> > > >> > GIVE BENEFITS TO THE SOCIETY
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > THERE IS A GURUBANI QUOTE BHAYI PRAPAT MANUKH DEOHRIA GOBIND
>> > > >> > MILAN KI EHO TERI BARIYA
>> > > >> > AVAR KAAJ TERE
>> > > >> > KITE NAA KAAM MIL SAADH SANGAT BHAJ KEVAL NAAM
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > MEANS: FOR WHAT U HAVE GOT BIRTH ON
>> > > >> > THIS UNIVERSE? U HAVE GOT THIS HUMAN BODY TO MEET THE SUPREME
> THE
>> > > >> > ULTIMATE AND THAT TOO U CAN DO WITHIN THIS HUMAN BIRTH
> ONLY,YOUR ALL
>> > > >> > OTHER DEEDS WONT GIVE U ANYTHING AT ALL,ONLY AND ONLY
> RECITATION OF THE
>> > > >> > ULTIMATE AND GETTING UNITED WITH IT IS YOUR GOAL.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > in the last i would say, by the help
>> > > >> > of astrology everybody should try to find the sins or the
> sanchit
>> > > >> > karmas by means of planets and try to get rid of their
> influences by
>> > > >> > jap daan homas and sewa and many other means but should do
> these things
>> > > >> > sincerely and with a fear in mind that i have to get out of
> this cycle
>> > > >> > or any bad habit which i am having because of the planets bad
>> > > >> > influence, because of sanchit karmas.so we r here to get
> lessons from
>> > > >> > our previous births and lead a new life in this birth with
> the help of
>> > > >> > astrology by trying to rectifying our bad vices and lusts for
> life and
>> > > >> > try to become detached from worldly deeds.sorry everybody if
> i had
>> > > >> > written anything wrong and ever hurt any body sentiments.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Regards
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > MS KONDAL
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __
>> > > >> > From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ >
>> > > >> > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
>> > > >> > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53:08 AM
>> > > >> > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Ashok ji; why study astrology?
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Respected Ashok ji; since the day u asked " why am i
> interested in
>> > > >> > study of astrology" i was looking for an answer. I read
> Osho's article
>> > > >> > on astrology he writes " JYOTISH SAMPOORANTA, EAKTA AUR
> ADVAIT KA
>> > > >> > VIGYAN HAI". Regards. Kulbir.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > > >> > > Kulbir Ji,
>> > > >> > > Thanks a lots.
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > Best of regards
>> > > >> > > Ashok Singh
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>> > > >> > > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW
> MUCH ?? )
>> > > >> > > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
>> > > >> > > Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:36 AM
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > Ashok ji, page 155-157 of 1952 part 3 uploaded by Nirmal ji
> ....
>> > > >> > > SEHAT, BIMARI, NAFA, NUKSAAN, FATEH, SHIKASAT (these words
> include all
>> > > >> > > of ur querries) har do pehlu ke liye yahi asool honge. This
> line is
>> > > >> > > 2nd line under subhead BIMAARI on page 155 as ref. above.
> But my
>> > > >> > > friend this is not all inclusive. e.g. Bimari of aathraa is
> explained
>> > > >> > > in farmaan no. 161 1939 volume. Go in for short cuts only
> in desperate
>> > > >> > > situation. For study and research follow guidelines given
> by pt. Ji in
>> > > >> > > SARSARI NOTE Regards. Kulbir.
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > > >> > >> Kulbir Ji,
>> > > >> > >> Thanks for the reply. If you can write me where in lal
> kitab written
>> > > >> > >> how
>> > > >> > >> to
>> > > >> > >> evaluate
>> > > >> > >> the native range of success, that would be great.
>> > > >> > >> I am very much interested in the intensity(scale) of
> health, success
>> > > >> > >> or
>> > > >> > >> failure.
>> > > >> > >>
>> > > >> > >> Best regards
>> > > >> > >> Ashok Singh
>> > > >> > >>
>> > > >> > >> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> > > >> > >>
>> > > >> > >>
>> > > >> > >> From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>> > > >> > >> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW
> MUCH ?? )
>> > > >> > >> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
>> > > >> > >> Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 12:03 PM
>> > > >> > >>
>> > > >> > >>
>> > > >> > >>
>> > > >> > >>
>> > > >> > >>
>> > > >> > >>
>> > > >> > >>
>> > > >> > >>
>> > > >> > >> Ashok ji, what u are saying is represented loosely by the
> term
>> > > >> > >> oxymoron. Secondly health and success may be related
> somehow. But
>> > > >> > >> illness is no deterent to success. Then success in which
> field? It
>> > > >> > >> has
>> > > >> > >> to be specific. Lastly the dictum that all houses and
> planets have to
>> > > >> > >> be considered before reaching a conclusion. This type of
> isolated
>> > > >> > >> study is against the basic rules of lalkitab. Regards.
> Kulbir.
>> > > >> > >>
>> > > >> > >> On 6/12/09, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > > >> > >>> Dear Members,
>> > > >> > >>> In a horoscope priciple to see health,sucess/ failure is
> the same.
>> > > >> > >>> Can we find range of sucess as in Lal kitab written HNo.
> 10 shows
>> > > >> > >>> the intensity of illiness does it applicable for sucess
> also.
>> > > >> > >>> It would be really appreciated.
>> > > >> > >>> My real goal is to find HOW MUCH i.e. what would be the
> range of
>> > > >> > >>> sucess.
>> > > >> > >>>
>> > > >> > >>> Thanks
>> > > >> > >>> Ashok
>> > > >> > >>>
>> > > >> > >>>
>> > > >> > >>>
>> > > >> > >>>
>> > > >> > >>
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