1st line. GRAHON KE ILLAVA SIRF 9 NIDHI 12 SIDHI KE "" HARF""" KHALI
BACHTE HAIN. YAHI DO HARF DUNIYADARON NE BACHE KA NAAM RAKHA. ISLIYE
SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAZON NE ..... What is the possible interpretation of
this para read as a whole. Regards. Kulbir.
On 6/15/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@gmail.com> wrote:
> Respected Bhandari Ji, ur words MULTI DIMENSIONAL APPROACH are jewel
> in the crown. Regards. Kulbiq.
>
> On 6/15/09, Mr Bhandari <bhandari1951@gmail.com> wrote:
>> *Respected Kulbir Ji,*
>>
>>
>>
>> *janam waqt din mah umar saal sab kuch iism naam bhi udda deti hai" *
>>
>> * then it says*
>>
>> * "is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki
>> ghatnaon
>> ki buniyad par zindagi ke halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai"
>> example of finding.***
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *From above quoted lines of LAL KITAB, we can conclude that basic of LAL
>> KITAB horoscope castings is primarily linked with SAMUDRIK, because our
>> palm
>> lines represent an image 42 houses of our brain, through effects of
>> planetary influences from heavens are reflected and transferred through
>> nervous system to other body parts, which are also represented through
>> palm
>> lines, mounts and other human gestures. *
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *When we go through FARMAN NO 4 of LAL KITAB : ALAM KO ILM MEIN SHAQ KAYA
>> HAI, EVERY THING WILL BECOME CLEAR, WHY ILM QAFA, SAMUDRIK RELATED
>> FIELDS,
>> HOUSE HOROSCOPE AND SO MANY OTHER AREAS ARE MENTIONED IN LAL KITAB?*
>>
>> *WHEN WE READ THIS BOOK WITH CONCENTRATION AND DO PRACTICAL READING, THE
>> RESULTS SHOW, HOW ACCURATE OUR BASIS OF JUDGEMENT ARE, WHEN DOING
>> READINGS
>> WITH MULTIDIRECTIONAL APROACH?*
>>
>> * WHERE AS IN TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY, OUR APROACH IS RESTRICTED ONLY TO
>> MAN
>> MADE LENGHTY MATHEMATICAL CALCULATION, WHERE AS WHILE WE FOLLOW COURSE
>> THROUGH SAMUDRIK AND ILM QAFA, WE GET CHANCE TO GET MORE CLOSE TO THE
>> ORIGINAL AREA FOR DOING READINGS, IN WHICH WE CAN DO DIRECT READINGS FROM
>> ORIGINAL BASE, SENT BY MOTHER NATURE AT THE TIME OF BIRTH WITH NATIVE AND
>> HIS SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT, IN WHICH NO CHANCE OF DOUBT REMAINS.*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *naam bhi udda deti hai***
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *Meanings of this line are very clear here, where as our respected PANDIT
>> JI
>> have no where quoted to treat NAME of a person as a base, on which
>> readings
>> are done, so it is useless to treat name for purpose of readings.*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *Kulbir Ji, as you further asked:*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *You know almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt the
>> method of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it
>> correct*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *Here I may like to say, use of VARSHPHAl chart is must, because, when we
>> cast a horoscope based on SAMUDRIK, we can confirm the age of native,
>> even
>> by asking about some important events i.e. we can ask what happened to
>> you
>> in your 29th year, he will then tell, in that month, on that day, this
>> happened to me, so from that, we can go back to birth month and birth
>> year,
>> thus we can enact a horoscope and move further.*
>>
>> *In LAL KITAB, it is also mentioned that till an astrologer attains
>> perfection in enacting horoscope according to SAMUDRIK, he can use
>> traditional chart after doing teva drusti.*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *With regards…..rabinder bhandari*
>>
>>
>> On 15/06/2009, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nirmal ji, pt. Ji, didnot discard kundali made on base of birth data.
>>> Page 249 of Aarmaan; .... The difference would be that the horoscope
>>> based on astronomy will show solely the results of the individual's
>>> tendencies but the palm horoscope will indicate the results of his
>>> forefathers/lineage also.... The cause of difference between the two
>>> will be debt of ancestors...... This difference doesn't means that
>>> either of the two horoscopes should be ignored but the real purpose
>>> will be to find the real cause that led to difference between the
>>> two.... the real purpose would be served in finding out the cause of
>>> difference. So pt. Ji stressed to consider and compare the two. No
>>> indication is there of discarding jyotish kundali based on birth data.
>>> We had a very long disscussion on pitri rin but this method was
>>> totally ignored. Kindly reconsider ur opinion that birth data is to be
>>> left aside. It is as important as palm kundali. Infact both compliment
>>> each other. Thanks to the group's efforts in providing original books.
>>> We may be late but are not lost. Regards. Kulbir.
>>>
>>> On 6/14/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@gmail.com
>>> <nirbhar%40gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Dear Kulbir Ji,
>>> > //"is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya
>>> > hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki ghatnaon ki buniyad par zindagi ke
>>> > halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai"//
>>> > The above is the answer give by you your self for all the queries
>>> > raised
>>> by
>>> > you.
>>> > Not only amitabh bachan , every person have his own destiny even they
>>> have
>>> > the same date, time and place of birth and having same Mother father
>>> > (In
>>> > case of Twins).
>>> > Let us see the example illustrated in the lalkitab. Pandit Jee has
>>> > made
>>> > natal kundlis based on birth data as well as on the basis of signs &
>>> > line
>>> on
>>> > Palm. While delineating the Kundli, He has descarded the kundli made
>>> > by
>>> use
>>> > of birth date & panchang etc and used the Kundli based made on the
>>> > basis
>>> of
>>> > Palm.
>>> > Pt. Ji has clarified that for the practice and till one is so perfect
>>> > in
>>> > palmistry one may use the Kundlis based on Birth Data. That is for
>>> practice
>>> > not for real use, But he also suggested to use the teva durusti method
>>> based
>>> > upon the real events , Makan Kundli and by looking on the person body
>>> > structure etc etc.
>>> > In my opinion every lalkitab student must try to practice the
>>> > palmistry
>>> and
>>> > other samudrik methods to cast /verify the Kundlis.
>>> >
>>> > //So is it correct to apply
>>> > varshphal even if the birth data is correct by seconds//
>>> >
>>> > Duration of a particular lagna is two hrs Approx. As lalkitab uses the
>>> > house kundlis therefore the person born in two hours duration of a
>>> > Lagna
>>> > will have the same kundli. So there is no need to go for seconds as
>>> > far
>>> as
>>> > the lalkitab system of astrology is concerned. the only dictum left in
>>> this
>>> > case is to apply the Teva Durusti (Kundli Correction).
>>> >
>>> > //You know almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt
>>> the
>>> > method
>>> > of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it correct.//
>>> > "Lallu Kare Kavvaliyaan Rabb Sidhiyaan Paave" In my opinion, the
>>> > astrologe,r who is having this grace of God and Untill this phrase
>>> > stays
>>> > with him , can use it with no fear. But in the real sense Either the
>>> > astrologer should apply correction to each and every planet for its
>>> correct
>>> > position or use the Palm based kundli for real interpretation. I feel
>>> > now
>>> > most of us are applying teva durusti before interpretition.
>>> > Regards
>>> > Nirmal
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 12:40 AM, kulbir bance
>>> > <kulbirbance@gmail.com<kulbirbance%40gmail.com>
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Nirmal ji, lalkitab says "janam waqt din mah umar saal sab kuch iism
>>> >> naam bhi udda deti hai" then it says "is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya
>>> >> hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki ghatnaon ki buniyad par zindagi ke
>>> >> halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai" example of finding time
>>> >> of
>>> >> sadhe satti is given. Then it talks about darusti by palmistry and
>>> >> only then apply varshphal. Recently i came across Amitabh Bachan's
>>> >> kundali. Many persons would have born with his birth data but they
>>> >> didn't attain the same status as his. So is it correct to apply
>>> >> varshphal even if the birth data is correct by seconds. You know
>>> >> almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt the
>>> >> method
>>> >> of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it correct.
>>> >> Waiting for an honest answer. Regards. Kulbir.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 6/13/09, kulbir bance
>>> >> <kulbirbance@gmail.com<kulbirbance%40gmail.com><kulbirbance%
>>> 40gmail.com>>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > Guruji, the half line mentioned by ur goodself i.e. Line 11 page 3
>>> >> > when read in full is "JANAM WAQT DIN MAH UMAR SAAL SAB KUCH, ISM
>>> >> > NAAM
>>> >> > KO BHI UDDA DETI HAI" can't under stand why u missed the first half
>>> >> > of the line. So that means Janam waqt, din, mah, umar, saal, are
>>> >> > also
>>> >> > not to be considered. Then what is varshphal, importance of janam
>>> >> > din
>>> >> > ka grah, janam waqt ka grah etc. Needn't mention many concepts
>>> >> > based
>>> >> > on these. Why did u quote just half the line and ignored the first
>>> >> > part. Regards. Kulbir.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 6/13/09, Yograj Prabhakar
>>> >> > <yr_prabhakar@yahoo.com <yr_prabhakar%40yahoo.com><yr_prabhakar%
>>> 40yahoo.com>>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >> Respected Nirmal ji
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I fully agree with you that the word "Naam" means social status
>>> >> >> not
>>> the
>>> >> >> name
>>> >> >> of a person. The next word "Haisiyat" and the complete word "Naam
>>> >> >> Haisiyat"
>>> >> >> itself are self explanatory.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> In my humble opinion, Pundit ji just indicated regarding the
>>> >> >> belief
>>> of
>>> >> >> some
>>> >> >> people (baa'zon ney) only, and not at all accepted this theory. If
>>> the
>>> >> >> name
>>> >> >> of a person's name had any significance whatsoever- Pundit Ji
>>> >> >> would
>>> not
>>> >> >> have
>>> >> >> emphasized the following while describing the methodology of Lal
>>> kitab:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "........Ism naam ko bhi uDaa deti hai." (Lal Kitab 1941, page no.
>>> >> >> 3
>>> >> line
>>> >> >> 11)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Respectfully
>>> >> >> Yograj Prabhakar
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> --- In
>>> >> >> astrostudents@yahoogroups.com<astrostudents%40yahoogroups.com><astrostudents%
>>> 40yahoogroups.com>,
>>> >> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@...>
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Respected Kulbir Ji,
>>> >> >>> in my view it as a good practice to fix the name of a native in
>>> >> >>> such
>>> a
>>> >> >>> way
>>> >> >>> that you can know the birth data from his name. Normally it was
>>> >> >>> done
>>> >> >>> by
>>> >> >>> relating the name of the person with some incident, day, time at
>>> >> >>> the
>>> >> >>> timeof
>>> >> >>> birthetc etc. In Punjab, I used to find the person having name
>>> >> >>> ,som
>>> >> >>> nath,
>>> >> >>> Mangal, Budh ram or budhu, Veeru, baaru etc etc linked with the
>>> >> >>> day
>>> of
>>> >> >>> birth, Chet ram for chaitra birth, visakhu for viskakha birth,
>>> Pooran
>>> >> >>> for
>>> >> >>> punima birth and so on.. The astrologer normaly know the nature
>>> >> >>> of
>>> >> >>> person
>>> >> >>> knowing the position of moon & sun in the Nakshatra. As explained
>>> >> >>> by
>>> >> >>> Bhandari Ji, There are 108 Nakshatra pada or divisions also
>>> >> >>> called
>>> >> >>> Navamsha.
>>> >> >>> Each division has been assigned a letter(Character) by our
>>> anscestors.
>>> >> >>> The
>>> >> >>> first character of name of a person is based upon the postion of
>>> Moon
>>> >> >>> in
>>> >> >>> the particular division/pada of Nakshatra and character assigned
>>> >> >>> to
>>> >> that
>>> >> >>> pada and similarlyThe first character of second word of the name
>>> >> >>> is
>>> >> kept
>>> >> >>> with the position of sun in patrtcular pada. In my point of view,
>>> this
>>> >> >>> is
>>> >> >>> a
>>> >> >>> great method devised by our ancestor astrologers to know the
>>> >> >>> about
>>> the
>>> >> >>> position of moon & Sun at birth time from the name of the Person.
>>> This
>>> >> >>> is
>>> >> >>> good algorithm devised by them and is still being followed in
>>> >> >>> rural
>>> >> >>> areas
>>> >> >>> of
>>> >> >>> India.
>>> >> >>> regarding
>>> >> >>> //".... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR
>>> >> >>> MANA HAI" the popular method is to derive the first alphabet
>>> >> >>> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page
>>> >> >>> 7
>>> >> >>> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. //
>>> >> >>> In first line In my opinion, Pt. Ji Has just given a reference
>>> >> >>> that
>>> >> some
>>> >> >>> persons give preference to the alphatbetics of the names to make
>>> boost
>>> >> >>> the
>>> >> >>> Luck. This practice is being widely followed/advised presently by
>>> >> >>> astrologers having Numerology base and By some vedic astrologer
>>> >> >>> by
>>> not
>>> >> >>> using
>>> >> >>> the albhabets assigned to nakshatra Padas which comes under the
>>> >> >>> bad
>>> >> >>> planets
>>> >> >>> and owner of Bad houses.
>>> >> >>> Regading "Naam Haisiyat Duniya Lenge" in my opinion The word naam
>>> here
>>> >> >>> is
>>> >> >>> being used to refer the status of the person in community.
>>> >> >>> Regards
>>> >> >>> Nirmal
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> 2009/6/6 Mr Bhandari <bhandari1951@...>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > *Respected Kulbir Ji,*
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > * *
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > *It is quite an interesting question, which you have asked with
>>> >> >>> > reference
>>> >> >>> > to LAL KITAB.*
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > * *
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > *In our PUNJAB area, or we may say in NORTH INDIA, where LAL
>>> >> >>> > KITAB
>>> >> >>> > is
>>> >> >>> > having its origin, some people select names of their child: *
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > * *
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > *(1) as per birth time calculations (BIRTH RASHI SIGN), and
>>> >> >>> > only
>>> one
>>> >> >>> > alphabet is selected for one segment of constellation in which
>>> >> >>> > the
>>> >> >>> > child
>>> >> >>> > is
>>> >> >>> > born, so there are only four words, which may fall within one
>>> >> >>> > constellation,
>>> >> >>> > and there are total nine words quoted for one sign, as there
>>> >> >>> > are
>>> >> >>> > 2.25
>>> >> >>> > constellations allocated to every sign of zodiac.*
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > * *
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > *(2) Only select one name alphabet (NAME RASHI SIGN), as per
>>> >> >>> > their
>>> >> >>> > religious rites or that name may be given by any elderly person
>>> >> >>> > of
>>> >> >>> > that
>>> >> >>> > family to that child.*
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > * *
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > *Here, we will find, that 1st is according to BIRTH RASHI SIGN,
>>> >> >>> > where
>>> >> >>> > as
>>> >> >>> > 2
>>> >> >>> > nd is selected, in which case it is not confirmed whether that
>>> word
>>> >> >>> > may
>>> >> >>> > pertain to RASHI SIGN or not, but both these names suggest
>>> >> >>> > something,
>>> >> >>> > as
>>> >> >>> > it
>>> >> >>> > was also quoted in our ANCIENT ASTROLOGICAL books such as
>>> >> >>> > SHEEGHAR
>>> >> >>> > BODH,
>>> >> >>> > a
>>> >> >>> > very small book, but contains wonderful information, which I
>>> >> >>> > have
>>> >> >>> > learned
>>> >> >>> > from our old traditional PANDIT JI.*
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > * *
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > *Difference in the use of these both names is as under:*
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > * *
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > *At the time of marriage, to check the influences of malefic
>>> planets
>>> >> >>> > during transit and in Kundli Matching, fixing marriage date
>>> >> >>> > etc.,
>>> >> >>> > BIRTH
>>> >> >>> > RASHI SIGN name will be used.*
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > * *
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > *Similarly, at a time of fight between two enemies for checking
>>> out
>>> >> >>> > influence of planets, to work out Mahurta for construction of
>>> House
>>> >> or
>>> >> >>> > establishing some other work, to check influence of any city
>>> >> >>> > from
>>> >> >>> > name,
>>> >> >>> > on
>>> >> >>> > that person where he/she wants to reside, NAME RASHI will work
>>> with
>>> >> >>> > more
>>> >> >>> > accuracy as compared with that BIRTH RASHI.*
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > * *
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > *According to this, both signs, whether that is a BIRTH RASHI
>>> >> >>> > SIGN
>>> >> >>> > or
>>> >> >>> > A
>>> >> >>> > NAME RASHI SIGN are having their utility value at their desired
>>> >> >>> > level.*
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > * *
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > *AS, THE NAME OF A PERSON IS NEVER FIXED ACCORDING TO ASCEDENT,
>>> >> >>> > IT
>>> >> >>> > IS
>>> >> >>> > ONLY
>>> >> >>> > FIXED ACCORDING TO BIRTH RASHI SIGN OR SOMETIMES WITHOUT THIS,
>>> >> >>> > SO
>>> IT
>>> >> >>> > IS
>>> >> >>> > NOT
>>> >> >>> > ADVISED TO USE NAME SIGN OR RASHI SIGN AS IN HOUSE NUMBER ONE,
>>> i.e.
>>> >> as
>>> >> >>> > ASCENDENT, EXCEPT IN CASE, WHERE RASHI SIGN AND ASCENDENT SIGN
>>> >> >>> > ARE
>>> >> >>> > SAME
>>> >> >>> > ACCORDING TO HOROSCOPE.*
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > * *
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > *With regards¡¡rabinder bhandari*
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > 2009/6/6 kulbir bance <kulbirbance@...>
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >> >>> >> Respected Bhandari ji, lalkitab armaan page one last para; it
>>> >> >>> >> is
>>> >> >>> >> written that ".... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA
>>> ASAR
>>> >> >>> >> MANA HAI" the popular method is to derive the first alphabet
>>> >> >>> >> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka
>>> >> >>> >> page
>>> 7
>>> >> >>> >> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE.
>>> >> >>> >> Can
>>> >> >>> >> we
>>> >> >>> >> name a child considering planets in house no 1 in sucg a way
>>> >> >>> >> that
>>> >> the
>>> >> >>> >> name of the child gives a boost to his destiny. Kindly share
>>> >> >>> >> your
>>> >> >>> >> learned views on this aspect. Regards. Kulbir.
>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >> >>> >> On 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@... <nirbhar%
>>> 40gmail.com
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>> >> > Dear Tahmasp ,
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> > Here is an excrepts from the Chiero Famous book 'Language of
>>> >> Hand'.
>>> >> >>> >> > Here
>>> >> >>> >> > Chiero discussed about Lalkitab. I highlighted the related
>>> text.
>>> >> >>> >> > Regards
>>> >> >>> >> > Nirmal
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> > 2009-06-05
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> > ·¢¼þÈË£º shahtahmasp
>>> >> >>> >> > ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä£º 2009-06-04 19:59:36
>>> >> >>> >> > ÊÕ¼þÈË£º astrostudents
>>> >> >>> >> > ³ËÍ£º
>>> >> >>> >> > Ö÷Ì⣺ [astrostudents] Palmistry
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> > Sarey buzurk members ko Salaam I have a question regarding
>>> >> >>> >> > the
>>> >> >>> >> similarity or
>>> >> >>> >> > differences in western palmistry from authors like the
>>> >> >>> >> > very succesful Cheiro and our Lal Kitab
>>> >> >>> >> > Respectfully
>>> >> >>> >> > Tahmasp
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >> >>> >> --
>>> >> >>> >> Sent from my mobile device
>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > Sent from my mobile device
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> --
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>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
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