in the crown. Regards. Kulbiq.
On 6/15/09, Mr Bhandari <bhandari1951@gmail.com> wrote:
> *Respected Kulbir Ji,*
>
>
>
> *janam waqt din mah umar saal sab kuch iism naam bhi udda deti hai" *
>
> * then it says*
>
> * "is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki ghatnaon
> ki buniyad par zindagi ke halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai"
> example of finding.***
>
> * *
>
> *From above quoted lines of LAL KITAB, we can conclude that basic of LAL
> KITAB horoscope castings is primarily linked with SAMUDRIK, because our palm
> lines represent an image 42 houses of our brain, through effects of
> planetary influences from heavens are reflected and transferred through
> nervous system to other body parts, which are also represented through palm
> lines, mounts and other human gestures. *
>
> * *
>
> *When we go through FARMAN NO 4 of LAL KITAB : ALAM KO ILM MEIN SHAQ KAYA
> HAI, EVERY THING WILL BECOME CLEAR, WHY ILM QAFA, SAMUDRIK RELATED FIELDS,
> HOUSE HOROSCOPE AND SO MANY OTHER AREAS ARE MENTIONED IN LAL KITAB?*
>
> *WHEN WE READ THIS BOOK WITH CONCENTRATION AND DO PRACTICAL READING, THE
> RESULTS SHOW, HOW ACCURATE OUR BASIS OF JUDGEMENT ARE, WHEN DOING READINGS
> WITH MULTIDIRECTIONAL APROACH?*
>
> * WHERE AS IN TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY, OUR APROACH IS RESTRICTED ONLY TO MAN
> MADE LENGHTY MATHEMATICAL CALCULATION, WHERE AS WHILE WE FOLLOW COURSE
> THROUGH SAMUDRIK AND ILM QAFA, WE GET CHANCE TO GET MORE CLOSE TO THE
> ORIGINAL AREA FOR DOING READINGS, IN WHICH WE CAN DO DIRECT READINGS FROM
> ORIGINAL BASE, SENT BY MOTHER NATURE AT THE TIME OF BIRTH WITH NATIVE AND
> HIS SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT, IN WHICH NO CHANCE OF DOUBT REMAINS.*
>
> * *
>
> *naam bhi udda deti hai***
>
> * *
>
> *Meanings of this line are very clear here, where as our respected PANDIT JI
> have no where quoted to treat NAME of a person as a base, on which readings
> are done, so it is useless to treat name for purpose of readings.*
>
> * *
>
> *Kulbir Ji, as you further asked:*
>
> * *
>
> *You know almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt the
> method of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it correct*
>
> * *
>
> *Here I may like to say, use of VARSHPHAl chart is must, because, when we
> cast a horoscope based on SAMUDRIK, we can confirm the age of native, even
> by asking about some important events i.e. we can ask what happened to you
> in your 29th year, he will then tell, in that month, on that day, this
> happened to me, so from that, we can go back to birth month and birth year,
> thus we can enact a horoscope and move further.*
>
> *In LAL KITAB, it is also mentioned that till an astrologer attains
> perfection in enacting horoscope according to SAMUDRIK, he can use
> traditional chart after doing teva drusti.*
>
> * *
>
> *With regards…..rabinder bhandari*
>
>
> On 15/06/2009, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Nirmal ji, pt. Ji, didnot discard kundali made on base of birth data.
>> Page 249 of Aarmaan; .... The difference would be that the horoscope
>> based on astronomy will show solely the results of the individual's
>> tendencies but the palm horoscope will indicate the results of his
>> forefathers/lineage also.... The cause of difference between the two
>> will be debt of ancestors...... This difference doesn't means that
>> either of the two horoscopes should be ignored but the real purpose
>> will be to find the real cause that led to difference between the
>> two.... the real purpose would be served in finding out the cause of
>> difference. So pt. Ji stressed to consider and compare the two. No
>> indication is there of discarding jyotish kundali based on birth data.
>> We had a very long disscussion on pitri rin but this method was
>> totally ignored. Kindly reconsider ur opinion that birth data is to be
>> left aside. It is as important as palm kundali. Infact both compliment
>> each other. Thanks to the group's efforts in providing original books.
>> We may be late but are not lost. Regards. Kulbir.
>>
>> On 6/14/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@gmail.com
>> <nirbhar%40gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>> > Dear Kulbir Ji,
>> > //"is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya
>> > hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki ghatnaon ki buniyad par zindagi ke
>> > halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai"//
>> > The above is the answer give by you your self for all the queries raised
>> by
>> > you.
>> > Not only amitabh bachan , every person have his own destiny even they
>> have
>> > the same date, time and place of birth and having same Mother father (In
>> > case of Twins).
>> > Let us see the example illustrated in the lalkitab. Pandit Jee has made
>> > natal kundlis based on birth data as well as on the basis of signs &
>> > line
>> on
>> > Palm. While delineating the Kundli, He has descarded the kundli made by
>> use
>> > of birth date & panchang etc and used the Kundli based made on the basis
>> of
>> > Palm.
>> > Pt. Ji has clarified that for the practice and till one is so perfect in
>> > palmistry one may use the Kundlis based on Birth Data. That is for
>> practice
>> > not for real use, But he also suggested to use the teva durusti method
>> based
>> > upon the real events , Makan Kundli and by looking on the person body
>> > structure etc etc.
>> > In my opinion every lalkitab student must try to practice the palmistry
>> and
>> > other samudrik methods to cast /verify the Kundlis.
>> >
>> > //So is it correct to apply
>> > varshphal even if the birth data is correct by seconds//
>> >
>> > Duration of a particular lagna is two hrs Approx. As lalkitab uses the
>> > house kundlis therefore the person born in two hours duration of a Lagna
>> > will have the same kundli. So there is no need to go for seconds as far
>> as
>> > the lalkitab system of astrology is concerned. the only dictum left in
>> this
>> > case is to apply the Teva Durusti (Kundli Correction).
>> >
>> > //You know almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt
>> the
>> > method
>> > of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it correct.//
>> > "Lallu Kare Kavvaliyaan Rabb Sidhiyaan Paave" In my opinion, the
>> > astrologe,r who is having this grace of God and Untill this phrase stays
>> > with him , can use it with no fear. But in the real sense Either the
>> > astrologer should apply correction to each and every planet for its
>> correct
>> > position or use the Palm based kundli for real interpretation. I feel
>> > now
>> > most of us are applying teva durusti before interpretition.
>> > Regards
>> > Nirmal
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 12:40 AM, kulbir bance
>> > <kulbirbance@gmail.com<kulbirbance%40gmail.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Nirmal ji, lalkitab says "janam waqt din mah umar saal sab kuch iism
>> >> naam bhi udda deti hai" then it says "is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya
>> >> hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki ghatnaon ki buniyad par zindagi ke
>> >> halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai" example of finding time of
>> >> sadhe satti is given. Then it talks about darusti by palmistry and
>> >> only then apply varshphal. Recently i came across Amitabh Bachan's
>> >> kundali. Many persons would have born with his birth data but they
>> >> didn't attain the same status as his. So is it correct to apply
>> >> varshphal even if the birth data is correct by seconds. You know
>> >> almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt the method
>> >> of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it correct.
>> >> Waiting for an honest answer. Regards. Kulbir.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 6/13/09, kulbir bance
>> >> <kulbirbance@gmail.com<kulbirbance%40gmail.com><kulbirbance%
>> 40gmail.com>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Guruji, the half line mentioned by ur goodself i.e. Line 11 page 3
>> >> > when read in full is "JANAM WAQT DIN MAH UMAR SAAL SAB KUCH, ISM NAAM
>> >> > KO BHI UDDA DETI HAI" can't under stand why u missed the first half
>> >> > of the line. So that means Janam waqt, din, mah, umar, saal, are also
>> >> > not to be considered. Then what is varshphal, importance of janam din
>> >> > ka grah, janam waqt ka grah etc. Needn't mention many concepts based
>> >> > on these. Why did u quote just half the line and ignored the first
>> >> > part. Regards. Kulbir.
>> >> >
>> >> > On 6/13/09, Yograj Prabhakar
>> >> > <yr_prabhakar@yahoo.com <yr_prabhakar%40yahoo.com><yr_prabhakar%
>> 40yahoo.com>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> Respected Nirmal ji
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I fully agree with you that the word "Naam" means social status not
>> the
>> >> >> name
>> >> >> of a person. The next word "Haisiyat" and the complete word "Naam
>> >> >> Haisiyat"
>> >> >> itself are self explanatory.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In my humble opinion, Pundit ji just indicated regarding the belief
>> of
>> >> >> some
>> >> >> people (baa'zon ney) only, and not at all accepted this theory. If
>> the
>> >> >> name
>> >> >> of a person's name had any significance whatsoever- Pundit Ji would
>> not
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> emphasized the following while describing the methodology of Lal
>> kitab:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "........Ism naam ko bhi uDaa deti hai." (Lal Kitab 1941, page no. 3
>> >> line
>> >> >> 11)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Respectfully
>> >> >> Yograj Prabhakar
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --- In
>> >> >> astrostudents@yahoogroups.com<astrostudents%40yahoogroups.com><astrostudents%
>> 40yahoogroups.com>,
>> >> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@...>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Respected Kulbir Ji,
>> >> >>> in my view it as a good practice to fix the name of a native in
>> >> >>> such
>> a
>> >> >>> way
>> >> >>> that you can know the birth data from his name. Normally it was
>> >> >>> done
>> >> >>> by
>> >> >>> relating the name of the person with some incident, day, time at
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> timeof
>> >> >>> birthetc etc. In Punjab, I used to find the person having name ,som
>> >> >>> nath,
>> >> >>> Mangal, Budh ram or budhu, Veeru, baaru etc etc linked with the day
>> of
>> >> >>> birth, Chet ram for chaitra birth, visakhu for viskakha birth,
>> Pooran
>> >> >>> for
>> >> >>> punima birth and so on.. The astrologer normaly know the nature of
>> >> >>> person
>> >> >>> knowing the position of moon & sun in the Nakshatra. As explained
>> >> >>> by
>> >> >>> Bhandari Ji, There are 108 Nakshatra pada or divisions also called
>> >> >>> Navamsha.
>> >> >>> Each division has been assigned a letter(Character) by our
>> anscestors.
>> >> >>> The
>> >> >>> first character of name of a person is based upon the postion of
>> Moon
>> >> >>> in
>> >> >>> the particular division/pada of Nakshatra and character assigned to
>> >> that
>> >> >>> pada and similarlyThe first character of second word of the name is
>> >> kept
>> >> >>> with the position of sun in patrtcular pada. In my point of view,
>> this
>> >> >>> is
>> >> >>> a
>> >> >>> great method devised by our ancestor astrologers to know the about
>> the
>> >> >>> position of moon & Sun at birth time from the name of the Person.
>> This
>> >> >>> is
>> >> >>> good algorithm devised by them and is still being followed in rural
>> >> >>> areas
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>> India.
>> >> >>> regarding
>> >> >>> //".... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR
>> >> >>> MANA HAI" the popular method is to derive the first alphabet
>> >> >>> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7
>> >> >>> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. //
>> >> >>> In first line In my opinion, Pt. Ji Has just given a reference that
>> >> some
>> >> >>> persons give preference to the alphatbetics of the names to make
>> boost
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> Luck. This practice is being widely followed/advised presently by
>> >> >>> astrologers having Numerology base and By some vedic astrologer by
>> not
>> >> >>> using
>> >> >>> the albhabets assigned to nakshatra Padas which comes under the bad
>> >> >>> planets
>> >> >>> and owner of Bad houses.
>> >> >>> Regading "Naam Haisiyat Duniya Lenge" in my opinion The word naam
>> here
>> >> >>> is
>> >> >>> being used to refer the status of the person in community.
>> >> >>> Regards
>> >> >>> Nirmal
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 2009/6/6 Mr Bhandari <bhandari1951@...>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > *Respected Kulbir Ji,*
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > * *
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > *It is quite an interesting question, which you have asked with
>> >> >>> > reference
>> >> >>> > to LAL KITAB.*
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > * *
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > *In our PUNJAB area, or we may say in NORTH INDIA, where LAL
>> >> >>> > KITAB
>> >> >>> > is
>> >> >>> > having its origin, some people select names of their child: *
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > * *
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > *(1) as per birth time calculations (BIRTH RASHI SIGN), and only
>> one
>> >> >>> > alphabet is selected for one segment of constellation in which
>> >> >>> > the
>> >> >>> > child
>> >> >>> > is
>> >> >>> > born, so there are only four words, which may fall within one
>> >> >>> > constellation,
>> >> >>> > and there are total nine words quoted for one sign, as there are
>> >> >>> > 2.25
>> >> >>> > constellations allocated to every sign of zodiac.*
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > * *
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > *(2) Only select one name alphabet (NAME RASHI SIGN), as per
>> >> >>> > their
>> >> >>> > religious rites or that name may be given by any elderly person
>> >> >>> > of
>> >> >>> > that
>> >> >>> > family to that child.*
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > * *
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > *Here, we will find, that 1st is according to BIRTH RASHI SIGN,
>> >> >>> > where
>> >> >>> > as
>> >> >>> > 2
>> >> >>> > nd is selected, in which case it is not confirmed whether that
>> word
>> >> >>> > may
>> >> >>> > pertain to RASHI SIGN or not, but both these names suggest
>> >> >>> > something,
>> >> >>> > as
>> >> >>> > it
>> >> >>> > was also quoted in our ANCIENT ASTROLOGICAL books such as
>> >> >>> > SHEEGHAR
>> >> >>> > BODH,
>> >> >>> > a
>> >> >>> > very small book, but contains wonderful information, which I have
>> >> >>> > learned
>> >> >>> > from our old traditional PANDIT JI.*
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > * *
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > *Difference in the use of these both names is as under:*
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > * *
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > *At the time of marriage, to check the influences of malefic
>> planets
>> >> >>> > during transit and in Kundli Matching, fixing marriage date etc.,
>> >> >>> > BIRTH
>> >> >>> > RASHI SIGN name will be used.*
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > * *
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > *Similarly, at a time of fight between two enemies for checking
>> out
>> >> >>> > influence of planets, to work out Mahurta for construction of
>> House
>> >> or
>> >> >>> > establishing some other work, to check influence of any city from
>> >> >>> > name,
>> >> >>> > on
>> >> >>> > that person where he/she wants to reside, NAME RASHI will work
>> with
>> >> >>> > more
>> >> >>> > accuracy as compared with that BIRTH RASHI.*
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > * *
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > *According to this, both signs, whether that is a BIRTH RASHI
>> >> >>> > SIGN
>> >> >>> > or
>> >> >>> > A
>> >> >>> > NAME RASHI SIGN are having their utility value at their desired
>> >> >>> > level.*
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > * *
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > *AS, THE NAME OF A PERSON IS NEVER FIXED ACCORDING TO ASCEDENT,
>> >> >>> > IT
>> >> >>> > IS
>> >> >>> > ONLY
>> >> >>> > FIXED ACCORDING TO BIRTH RASHI SIGN OR SOMETIMES WITHOUT THIS, SO
>> IT
>> >> >>> > IS
>> >> >>> > NOT
>> >> >>> > ADVISED TO USE NAME SIGN OR RASHI SIGN AS IN HOUSE NUMBER ONE,
>> i.e.
>> >> as
>> >> >>> > ASCENDENT, EXCEPT IN CASE, WHERE RASHI SIGN AND ASCENDENT SIGN
>> >> >>> > ARE
>> >> >>> > SAME
>> >> >>> > ACCORDING TO HOROSCOPE.*
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > * *
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > *With regards¡¡rabinder bhandari*
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > 2009/6/6 kulbir bance <kulbirbance@...>
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Respected Bhandari ji, lalkitab armaan page one last para; it is
>> >> >>> >> written that ".... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA
>> ASAR
>> >> >>> >> MANA HAI" the popular method is to derive the first alphabet
>> >> >>> >> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka
>> >> >>> >> page
>> 7
>> >> >>> >> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE.
>> >> >>> >> Can
>> >> >>> >> we
>> >> >>> >> name a child considering planets in house no 1 in sucg a way
>> >> >>> >> that
>> >> the
>> >> >>> >> name of the child gives a boost to his destiny. Kindly share
>> >> >>> >> your
>> >> >>> >> learned views on this aspect. Regards. Kulbir.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> On 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@... <nirbhar%
>> 40gmail.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> > Dear Tahmasp ,
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> > Here is an excrepts from the Chiero Famous book 'Language of
>> >> Hand'.
>> >> >>> >> > Here
>> >> >>> >> > Chiero discussed about Lalkitab. I highlighted the related
>> text.
>> >> >>> >> > Regards
>> >> >>> >> > Nirmal
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> > 2009-06-05
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> > ·¢¼þÈË£º shahtahmasp
>> >> >>> >> > ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä£º 2009-06-04 19:59:36
>> >> >>> >> > ÊÕ¼þÈË£º astrostudents
>> >> >>> >> > ³ËÍ£º
>> >> >>> >> > Ö÷Ì⣺ [astrostudents] Palmistry
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> > Sarey buzurk members ko Salaam I have a question regarding the
>> >> >>> >> similarity or
>> >> >>> >> > differences in western palmistry from authors like the
>> >> >>> >> > very succesful Cheiro and our Lal Kitab
>> >> >>> >> > Respectfully
>> >> >>> >> > Tahmasp
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> --
>> >> >>> >> Sent from my mobile device
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Sent from my mobile device
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Sent from my mobile device
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>> --
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