Astrostudents-Group Discussions: [astrostudents] Re: Ashok ji; why study astrology?

Respected Kondal Sahib, thanx for the explanation. Feelings will be
hurt when illussions get broken. Why feel sorry about that. This is
the real problem. Many members want to share a lot but fear that they
might hurt someone's ego or clientage. Should rise above this, if we
have faith. How much time do we have.? Regards. Kulbir.

On 6/19/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> date:18-6-2009
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> hello kulbir ji,
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> first of
> all let me thank u for discussing such a vital point in astrology or
> everybody life that why and for what we are doing any job as quoted by
> u that why we are using or doing astrology.this is a very crucial point
> and i will try to contribute from myside what ever i know openly and
> would like everybody to share their views on this topic because this is
> directly related to our spiritual enlightenment and getting in touch
> with god.this topic is never ending and i request all members to keep
> on writing their true experiences and findings regarding spiritual and
> worldly astrology and try to differentiate between the two.
>
> as kulbir ji has quoted from osho's book the words
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> jyotish
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> sampooranta
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> ekta
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> advait
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> all these words are self explanatry
> but if we start explaining them then we will become short of words but
> i would say that if we compile all these in one word we can say these
> are the qualities of one and only one supreme and that is the ULTIMATE
> GOD.
>
> ACTUALLY WE ARE THE JEEVATMAS AND
> ARE PART OF THE SUPREME LORD AND DUE TO VARIOUS JANAMAS AND BIRTHS LOT
> OF MISCONCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN ENGRAVED IN OUR MINDS AND BECAUSE OF OUR
> SANCHIT KARMAS AND DUE TO PRARABDH WE ARE GETTING BIRTHS AGAIN AND
> AGAIN AND GETTING DETACHED FROM THE SUPREME DAY BY DAY TO FULFIL OUR
> WORLDLY DEEDS,WHICH ULTIMATELY LAND US NOWHERE ELSE THAN REBIRTH TO
> FULFIL OUR DESIRES AND WE GET USED TO THE RE BIRTH CYCLE AND CARRY ON
> AND FORGET OUR TRUE HOME THAT IS NONE OTHER THAN THE SUPREME FATHER
> GOD.BUT
>
> REMEBER ONE THING
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> HE WHO GIVES ,GIVES,GIVES,GIVES.......... AND FORGIVES IS GOD
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> AND
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> WHO GETS, GETS, GETS, GETS............. AND FORGETS IS HUMAN BEING
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> THIS IS THE NATURE OF GOD
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> BUT THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF HIS
> FORGIVING NATURE BY DEFAULT THE SUPREME HAS PROGRAMMED EACH AND EVERY
> HUMAN MIND TO THINK OF ITSELF FOR THE ACTUAL TRUTH THAT WHY HE IS ON
> THIS EARTH?WHY HE IS BORN,WHAT HE HAS TO DO,IS HE HERE FOR MAKING MONEY
> OR IS HE HERE TO ENJOY WOMEN OR IS HE HERE TO FOOL OTHERS OR IS HE HERE
> TO MAKE PROPERTY?
> AND MANY MANY OTHER QUESTIONS, EVERY HUMAN THINKS IN HIS MIND SOME DAY SOME
> TIME .
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> THOSE R LUCKY WHO THINK AT EARLY
> STAGE OF LIFE AND MANY THINK AT LATER AGE BUT ALL OF THEM TRY TO
> UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL THING AND SOME R ABLE TO GET ANSWERS BUT THEY
> DONT HAVE THE TIME TO USE IT PRACTICALLY BECAUSE LIFE IS TOO SHORT.
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> SO JYOTISH MEANS ISHVARIYA JYOTI AND EVERYBODY IS HAVING A PART
> OF IT BUT HOW MANY HAVE REALISED IT?
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> SAMPOORANTA MEANS WHO HAS MASTERD THE ALL
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> EKTA MEANS ONENESS
>
> ADWAIT AGAIN THE
> PERSON WHO HAS RAISED ABOVE FROM THE DVAIT BHAV THAT MEANS HE HAS NO
> DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
> T
> - HE TWO. MEANS JO DO SE EK ROOP HO JAYE .
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> AS I SAID IT IS JUST A START I DONT
> KNOW WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ,BUT THIS IS THE TOPIC WHICH IS ATTACHED WITH
> EVERY BODY LIFE SO KEEP ON DISCUSSING IT .PRADEEP SHARMA JI WAS TELLING
> ME MOST OF THE TIMES THAT I SHOULD START SUCH A TOPIC BUT I WAS WAITING
> REALLY FOR THE DAY, THAT THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN SOME ONE WILL COME
> OUT OF SO MANY LEARNED PEOPLE AND WILL ASK FOR THE TRUE MEANING OF
> ASTROLOGY.YET I HAVE NOT WRITTEN MUCH BUT I WILL LOVE TO WRITE MORE
> BECAUSE THIS IS THE QUESTION RELATED TO OUR TRUE SELF AND IT IS MY
> FOREMOST DUTY TO ANSWER AND WILL TRY TO TELL WHAT I EXPERIENCED AND
> WILL LEARN FROM ALL MY SENIORS AND COLLEAGUES WHO R REALLY DESPERATELY
> AND SINCERELY FINDING LOTS AND LOTS OF THINGS BY MEANS OF ASTROLOGY TO
> GIVE BENEFITS TO THE SOCIETY
>
>
> THERE IS A GURUBANI QUOTE BHAYI PRAPAT MANUKH DEOHRIA GOBIND MILAN KI
> EHO TERI BARIYA
> AVAR KAAJ TERE KITE
> NAA KAAM MIL SAADH SANGAT BHAJ KEVAL NAAM
>
>
> MEANS: FOR WHAT U HAVE GOT BIRTH ON
> THIS UNIVERSE? U HAVE GOT THIS HUMAN BODY TO MEET THE SUPREME THE
> ULTIMATE AND THAT TOO U CAN DO WITHIN THIS HUMAN BIRTH ONLY,YOUR ALL
> OTHER DEEDS WONT GIVE U ANYTHING AT ALL,ONLY AND ONLY RECITATION OF THE
> ULTIMATE AND GETTING UNITED WITH IT IS YOUR GOAL.
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>
> in the last i would say, by the help
> of astrology everybody should try to find the sins or the sanchit
> karmas by means of planets and try to get rid of their influences by
> jap daan homas and sewa and many other means but should do these things
> sincerely and with a fear in mind that i have to get out of this cycle
> or any bad habit which i am having because of the planets bad
> influence, because of sanchit karmas.so we r here to get lessons from
> our previous births and lead a new life in this birth with the help of
> astrology by trying to rectifying our bad vices and lusts for life and
> try to become detached from worldly deeds.sorry everybody if i had
> written anything wrong and ever hurt any body sentiments.
>
>
> Regards
>
> MS KONDAL
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@gmail.com>
> To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53:08 AM
> Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Ashok ji; why study astrology?
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> Respected Ashok ji; since the day u asked " why am i interested in
> study of astrology" i was looking for an answer. I read Osho's article
> on astrology he writes " JYOTISH SAMPOORANTA, EAKTA AUR ADVAIT KA
> VIGYAN HAI". Regards. Kulbir.
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> On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Kulbir Ji,
>> Thanks a lots.
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>> Best of regards
>> Ashok Singh
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>> --- On Mon, 6/15/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com> wrote:
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>> From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW MUCH ?? )
>> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
>> Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:36 AM
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>> Ashok ji, page 155-157 of 1952 part 3 uploaded by Nirmal ji ....
>> SEHAT, BIMARI, NAFA, NUKSAAN, FATEH, SHIKASAT (these words include all
>> of ur querries) har do pehlu ke liye yahi asool honge. This line is
>> 2nd line under subhead BIMAARI on page 155 as ref. above. But my
>> friend this is not all inclusive. e.g. Bimari of aathraa is explained
>> in farmaan no. 161 1939 volume. Go in for short cuts only in desperate
>> situation. For study and research follow guidelines given by pt. Ji in
>> SARSARI NOTE Regards. Kulbir.
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>> On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Kulbir Ji,
>>> Thanks for the reply. If you can write me where in lal kitab written how
>>> to
>>> evaluate
>>> the native range of success, that would be great.
>>> I am very much interested in the intensity(scale) of health, success or
>>> failure.
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>>> Best regards
>>> Ashok Singh
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>>> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW MUCH ?? )
>>> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
>>> Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 12:03 PM
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>>> Ashok ji, what u are saying is represented loosely by the term
>>> oxymoron. Secondly health and success may be related somehow. But
>>> illness is no deterent to success. Then success in which field? It has
>>> to be specific. Lastly the dictum that all houses and planets have to
>>> be considered before reaching a conclusion. This type of isolated
>>> study is against the basic rules of lalkitab. Regards. Kulbir.
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>>> On 6/12/09, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Dear Members,
>>>> In a horoscope priciple to see health,sucess/ failure is the same.
>>>> Can we find range of sucess as in Lal kitab written HNo. 10 shows
>>>> the intensity of illiness does it applicable for sucess also.
>>>> It would be really appreciated.
>>>> My real goal is to find HOW MUCH i.e. what would be the range of sucess.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Ashok
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