Astrostudents-Group Discussions: [astrostudents] Re: Why study Astrology?

Kulbir ji,
I don't know sumit ji and his caliber and neither do i doubt it. i just know one thing i am probably the dumbest student in this group and nowhere near as any one else here.
but don't you think he needs to know the true meaning of life before touching/ "being one" with god?

He is saying that "naam-jaap" is the only true way to success,if that's the case............ where do i sign?

Regards
Jitin Syal

--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@...> wrote:
>
> Syal ji, u r right, two concepts should be clear 1. Meaning of success
> 2. Explanation about the methodology. Lets hope Sumeet ji explains.
> His explanation of horoscope matching is simply amazing. It shows that
> he has a very high calibre. He writes 81 in his id. As per my
> assumption if that is his birth year then such knowledge at this age
> is a karishma. He indeed is a blessed soul. Regards. Kulbir.
>
> On 6/26/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@...> wrote:
> > Kulbir paaji,
> > I always feel that we(humans) are here to balance our negative, positives
> > from previous births. if someone doesn't have something in this world he is
> > just paying for his sins or vice versa. Even Pt. ji has left the "greh phal"
> > planets untouched as somethings can't be changed.
> >
> > I totally agree that, any unnecessary intervention with Almighty's plan WILL
> > backfire, hence my point was to ask sumit ji to elaborate their option/way
> > one where he has predicted a "sure shot" at success.
> >
> > yours sincerely
> > Jitin Syal
> >
> > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Syal ji, sumeet ji will answer ur querry. I would like to share a
> >> fact. After world war the ratio of male child increased dramatically
> >> as compared to female child. 1600 : 1000. Secondly determination of
> >> gender at conception has parameters that are generally beyond human
> >> control. But still nature has maintained the balance that life goes
> >> on. Imagind a scenario if only male or only female child continued say
> >> for even a century. But it has not happenned. Why? There is a divine
> >> scheme, jyotish is a tool to understand it. This divine scheme and
> >> individual interests creat a confusion. Upaya may be suggessted but
> >> the upayagar should have knowledge of the divine scheme. Unneccessary
> >> intervention will not yield results in the first place and if does
> >> somebody is going to pay for it. Written very clearly in lalkitab.
> >> Guru is a kind of superimposition on a person's mind to keep him ever
> >> alert. Regards. Kulbir.
> >>
> >> On 6/25/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:
> >> > Sumit ji,
> >> > Are you saying that option one is a gauranteed success/remedial measure
> >> > without any risk of "backfire" or loss of spirituality??
> >> > if so, please elaborate further.
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > Jitin Syal
> >> >
> >> > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "sumitbansal_81" <sumitbansal_81@>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Respected All,
> >> >>
> >> >> It is indeed a pleasure in itself to see and read such a beautiful
> >> >> topic
> >> >> related to Astrology which clearly outlines the true nature and
> >> >> objective
> >> >> of Astrology. Kondalji has given us a marvelous insight in the basic
> >> >> idea
> >> >> towards the mere existance of the Jyotish Shastra. It is righly said
> >> >> that
> >> >> Jyotish is the "ISHVARIYA JYOTI" and is a guiding light of each and
> >> >> every
> >> >> human being towards achieving the "Ultimate Goal" - to become "One"
> >> >> with
> >> >> the GOD by providing the means to initiate the purification process of
> >> >> "Chitt" and "Mann".
> >> >>
> >> >> However, even when there are millions of human beings taking birth on
> >> >> this
> >> >> planet earth, not even one percent of them ever think about the reason
> >> >> as
> >> >> why are they born and what is the specific task assigned to them by
> >> >> that
> >> >> one Supreme God and which is the specific path, he/she has to tread in
> >> >> order to achieve or fulfill that specific task?
> >> >> And the saddest part of the story is that by the time one realizes the
> >> >> need and authenticity of these questions, there is not enough time left
> >> >> for him to achieve the set goal. A very famous Bollywood Song has
> >> >> rightly
> >> >> described this situaltion in the following lines:
> >> >> "Ladakpan Khel Mein Khoya,
> >> >> Jawaani Neend Bhar Soya,
> >> >> Burhahpa Dekh Kar Roya,
> >> >> Yehi Kissa Puraana Hai."
> >> >> But Jyoish is that devine light which can help an individual by
> >> >> breaking
> >> >> the spell of his slumber just as the light of the morning sun awakes a
> >> >> sleeping person.
> >> >>
> >> >> Spiritualism oozes from each and every aspect of Jyotish Shastra. The
> >> >> only
> >> >> consideration is the "View Point" or "Nazar" by which anyone looks at
> >> >> it.
> >> >> To illustrate, I can provide a very simple example of "Horoscope
> >> >> Matching".
> >> >>
> >> >> Every human being has some kind of desire(s) present in his heart and
> >> >> these desires then lead to the formation of "Aasha" and "Trishna". This
> >> >> in
> >> >> turn leads to the creation of the "Karma" which ultimately culminate in
> >> >> the formation of "Paap" and "Punya". These Paap and Punya are the
> >> >> deciding
> >> >> factors of the type and quality of the next life which this jeevatma
> >> >> has
> >> >> to undergo.
> >> >> Now the ultimate Goal of any individual is to become one with GOD or to
> >> >> attain the state of "Adwait" and this can only be done by the
> >> >> purification
> >> >> of "Chitt" and "Mann" which can be attained by the purification of
> >> >> "Karma"
> >> >> and this is the exact point where Jyotish comes into play.
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyone can Purify the Karmas in Two Ways, either using both or any one
> >> >> of
> >> >> the two. And the two ways are:
> >> >> 1. Naam Jaap - where the "Naam" is given by a "Sat-Guru" and the
> >> >> "Sat-Guru" himself is guiding the person.
> >> >> 2. Dividing or Cutting his Atma into few smaller pieces and then
> >> >> purifying them one by one.
> >> >>
> >> >> "YES, ATMA CAN ALSO BE CUT." and this is the ultimate truth of the
> >> >> spirituality which if understood properly, will describe as how the GOD
> >> >> is
> >> >> keeping himself alive or "Amar". I cannot describe more here due to
> >> >> "Guru
> >> >> Agya" but, the only hint I can give is that a "Sperm" or "Beej" created
> >> >> inside the human body is as much living as we are and we all are made
> >> >> from
> >> >> this "Sperm" and we all have atma. Female Egg can only provide the
> >> >> breeding ground for this so called "Beej" but, cannot impart the "Atma"
> >> >> in
> >> >> the "Beej". So, where does this "Atma" comes into the "Beej" ???? Yes,
> >> >> you
> >> >> guessed it right, it is the "Ansh" of our own "Atma". And in this
> >> >> particular sense, each Father is just like "Param-Atma" to his
> >> >> offspring.
> >> >> So, it is the atma of the Father which is cut into pieces everytime
> >> >> sperms
> >> >> leaves his body. "No further explanation on this part can be given here
> >> >> due to the sensitivity of the topic"
> >> >>
> >> >> Now, if you are using the option "One" only then it is "Okay" in all
> >> >> sense. However, if you are using the Option "Two" or "Both the
> >> >> options",
> >> >> then there is a catch that the "Ansh" or "Beej of your Atma" might not
> >> >> get
> >> >> a proper breeding ground which might result into creation of more
> >> >> desire
> >> >> in the Beej due to lack of the proper "Nutrients" which a Beej might
> >> >> take
> >> >> from Mother which will again create "Aasha" and "Trishna" and so on to
> >> >> "Paap" and "Punya". And if this happens, then, the Beej again has to go
> >> >> through the complete cycle of "Chauraasi".
> >> >>
> >> >> As explained above, the so called "Nutrients" are nothing but the
> >> >> "Guna"
> >> >> of the Mother and the "Actual Requirement of the Beej" is the "Guna" of
> >> >> the Father. So, if there is a mismatch between the two, then the Option
> >> >> Two is bound to fail which will create more distress in the human
> >> >> society.
> >> >> AND TO BE HONEST, OPTION TWO IS THE ONE WHICH IS BEING USED IN A VERY
> >> >> VERY
> >> >> VERY LARGE PROPORTION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE ACTUAL TRUTH BEHIND THE
> >> >> USE OF THIS OPTION. AND ONLY JYOTISH IS CAPABLE OF RECTIFYING THIS
> >> >> MISTAKE
> >> >> OF MAN AND SHOWING AS HOW TO BEGET WORTHY CHILDREN BY PROPER MATCHING
> >> >> OF
> >> >> SOIL AND SEED.
> >> >>
> >> >> This clearly shows the Criticality as why Horoscope Matching is so
> >> >> important and the undefiable relationship between Jyotish and
> >> >> Aadhyatam.
> >> >>
> >> >> In the end I can only say that Option One is the only True Option as
> >> >> Option Two is just like using a shortcut which has the reputation of
> >> >> "Backfiring Percentage" set at 99.99% as the Jyotish Shastra is not
> >> >> being
> >> >> used as required. No one literally know as how to implement the jyotish
> >> >> shastra. All just know one thing and that is how to do the upai and
> >> >> that
> >> >> also incorrect. If you are playing with gun loaded bullets, and you
> >> >> don't
> >> >> know how to use the gun properly, then at least cover yourself with a
> >> >> bulletproof dress first. Providing or telling Upai of something so much
> >> >> spiritual will only erode you spiritually unless and untill you have
> >> >> the
> >> >> required "Guru Kripa".
> >> >>
> >> >> I tender my apologies for being rude or harsh. My purpose of writing
> >> >> this
> >> >> was not to offend anyone but to provide the exact scenario as what is
> >> >> being done and what could it lead to. If I have hurt the feelings of
> >> >> anyone, then please ask yourself, "Do you really have the required
> >> >> Bullet-Proof Suite?" You will get the answer yourself. The Supreme God
> >> >> speakes from the very inside of your "Chitt" or "Ghat-Mandir". Listen
> >> >> to
> >> >> him and you will get the answer.....
> >> >>
> >> >> Whatever I have learned from my revered Guruji is as under:
> >> >> "Guru Kripa Se Hai Mila,
> >> >> Jiska Naam Sunaam.
> >> >> Ghat Ghat Mein Bole Jo Sabke,
> >> >> Hai Woh Atma Ram."
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Sumit Bansal.
> >> >>
> >> >> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, maneshwar singh kondal
> >> >> <mskondal@>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > date:18-6-2009
> >> >> >
> >> >> > hello kulbir ji,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > first of
> >> >> > all let me thank u for discussing such a vital point in astrology or
> >> >> > everybody life that why and for what we are doing any job as quoted
> >> >> > by
> >> >> > u that why we are using or doing astrology.this is a very crucial
> >> >> > point
> >> >> > and i will try to contribute from myside what ever i know openly and
> >> >> > would like everybody to share their views on this topic because this
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > directly related to our spiritual enlightenment and getting in touch
> >> >> > with god.this topic is never ending and i request all members to keep
> >> >> > on writing their true experiences and findings regarding spiritual
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > worldly astrology and try to differentiate between the two.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > as kulbir ji has quoted from osho's book the words
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > jyotish
> >> >> >
> >> >> > sampooranta
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ekta
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > advait
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > all these words are self explanatry
> >> >> > but if we start explaining them then we will become short of words
> >> >> > but
> >> >> > i would say that if we compile all these in one word we can say these
> >> >> > are the qualities of one and only one supreme and that is the
> >> >> > ULTIMATE
> >> >> > GOD.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ACTUALLY WE ARE THE JEEVATMAS AND
> >> >> > ARE PART OF THE SUPREME LORD AND DUE TO VARIOUS JANAMAS AND BIRTHS
> >> >> > LOT
> >> >> > OF MISCONCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN ENGRAVED IN OUR MINDS AND BECAUSE OF OUR
> >> >> > SANCHIT KARMAS AND DUE TO PRARABDH WE ARE GETTING BIRTHS AGAIN AND
> >> >> > AGAIN AND GETTING DETACHED FROM THE SUPREME DAY BY DAY TO FULFIL OUR
> >> >> > WORLDLY DEEDS,WHICH ULTIMATELY LAND US NOWHERE ELSE THAN REBIRTH TO
> >> >> > FULFIL OUR DESIRES AND WE GET USED TO THE RE BIRTH CYCLE AND CARRY ON
> >> >> > AND FORGET OUR TRUE HOME THAT IS NONE OTHER THAN THE SUPREME FATHER
> >> >> > GOD.BUT
> >> >> >
> >> >> > REMEBER ONE THING
> >> >> >
> >> >> > HE WHO GIVES ,GIVES,GIVES,GIVES.......... AND FORGIVES IS GOD
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > AND
> >> >> >
> >> >> > WHO GETS, GETS, GETS, GETS............. AND FORGETS IS
> >> >> > HUMAN
> >> >> > BEING
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > THIS IS THE NATURE OF GOD
> >> >> >
> >> >> > BUT THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF HIS
> >> >> > FORGIVING NATURE BY DEFAULT THE SUPREME HAS PROGRAMMED EACH AND
> >> >> > EVERY
> >> >> > HUMAN MIND TO THINK OF ITSELF FOR THE ACTUAL TRUTH THAT WHY HE IS ON
> >> >> > THIS EARTH?WHY HE IS BORN,WHAT HE HAS TO DO,IS HE HERE FOR MAKING
> >> >> > MONEY
> >> >> > OR IS HE HERE TO ENJOY WOMEN OR IS HE HERE TO FOOL OTHERS OR IS HE
> >> >> > HERE
> >> >> > TO MAKE PROPERTY?
> >> >> > AND MANY MANY OTHER QUESTIONS, EVERY HUMAN THINKS IN HIS MIND SOME
> >> >> > DAY
> >> >> > SOME TIME .
> >> >> >
> >> >> > THOSE R LUCKY WHO THINK AT EARLY
> >> >> > STAGE OF LIFE AND MANY THINK AT LATER AGE BUT ALL OF THEM TRY TO
> >> >> > UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL THING AND SOME R ABLE TO GET ANSWERS BUT THEY
> >> >> > DONT HAVE THE TIME TO USE IT PRACTICALLY BECAUSE LIFE IS TOO SHORT.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > SO JYOTISH MEANS ISHVARIYA JYOTI AND EVERYBODY IS HAVING
> >> >> > A
> >> >> > PART OF IT BUT HOW MANY HAVE REALISED IT?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > SAMPOORANTA MEANS WHO HAS MASTERD THE ALL
> >> >> >
> >> >> > EKTA MEANS ONENESS
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ADWAIT AGAIN THE
> >> >> > PERSON WHO HAS RAISED ABOVE FROM THE DVAIT BHAV THAT MEANS HE HAS
> >> >> > NO
> >> >> > DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
> >> >> > T
> >> >> > - HE TWO. MEANS JO DO SE EK ROOP HO JAYE
> >> >> > .
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > AS I SAID IT IS JUST A START I DONT
> >> >> > KNOW WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ,BUT THIS IS THE TOPIC WHICH IS ATTACHED
> >> >> > WITH
> >> >> > EVERY BODY LIFE SO KEEP ON DISCUSSING IT .PRADEEP SHARMA JI WAS
> >> >> > TELLING
> >> >> > ME MOST OF THE TIMES THAT I SHOULD START SUCH A TOPIC BUT I WAS
> >> >> > WAITING
> >> >> > REALLY FOR THE DAY, THAT THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN SOME ONE WILL COME
> >> >> > OUT OF SO MANY LEARNED PEOPLE AND WILL ASK FOR THE TRUE MEANING OF
> >> >> > ASTROLOGY.YET I HAVE NOT WRITTEN MUCH BUT I WILL LOVE TO WRITE MORE
> >> >> > BECAUSE THIS IS THE QUESTION RELATED TO OUR TRUE SELF AND IT IS MY
> >> >> > FOREMOST DUTY TO ANSWER AND WILL TRY TO TELL WHAT I EXPERIENCED AND
> >> >> > WILL LEARN FROM ALL MY SENIORS AND COLLEAGUES WHO R REALLY
> >> >> > DESPERATELY
> >> >> > AND SINCERELY FINDING LOTS AND LOTS OF THINGS BY MEANS OF ASTROLOGY
> >> >> > TO
> >> >> > GIVE BENEFITS TO THE SOCIETY
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > THERE IS A GURUBANI QUOTE BHAYI PRAPAT MANUKH DEOHRIA GOBIND
> >> >> > MILAN KI EHO TERI BARIYA
> >> >> > AVAR KAAJ
> >> >> > TERE
> >> >> > KITE NAA KAAM MIL SAADH SANGAT BHAJ KEVAL NAAM
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > MEANS: FOR WHAT U HAVE GOT BIRTH ON
> >> >> > THIS UNIVERSE? U HAVE GOT THIS HUMAN BODY TO MEET THE SUPREME THE
> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND THAT TOO U CAN DO WITHIN THIS HUMAN BIRTH ONLY,YOUR ALL
> >> >> > OTHER DEEDS WONT GIVE U ANYTHING AT ALL,ONLY AND ONLY RECITATION OF
> >> >> > THE
> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND GETTING UNITED WITH IT IS YOUR GOAL.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > in the last i would say, by the help
> >> >> > of astrology everybody should try to find the sins or the sanchit
> >> >> > karmas by means of planets and try to get rid of their influences by
> >> >> > jap daan homas and sewa and many other means but should do these
> >> >> > things
> >> >> > sincerely and with a fear in mind that i have to get out of this
> >> >> > cycle
> >> >> > or any bad habit which i am having because of the planets bad
> >> >> > influence, because of sanchit karmas.so we r here to get lessons from
> >> >> > our previous births and lead a new life in this birth with the help
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > astrology by trying to rectifying our bad vices and lusts for life
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > try to become detached from worldly deeds.sorry everybody if i had
> >> >> > written anything wrong and ever hurt any body sentiments.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards
> >> >> >
> >> >> > MS KONDAL
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ________________________________
> >> >> > From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>
> >> >> > To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53:08 AM
> >> >> > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Ashok ji; why study astrology?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Respected Ashok ji; since the day u asked " why am i interested in
> >> >> > study of astrology" i was looking for an answer. I read Osho's
> >> >> > article
> >> >> > on astrology he writes " JYOTISH SAMPOORANTA, EAKTA AUR ADVAIT KA
> >> >> > VIGYAN HAI". Regards. Kulbir.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> > > Kulbir Ji,
> >> >> > > Thanks a lots.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Best of regards
> >> >> > > Ashok Singh
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
> >> >> > > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW MUCH ?? )
> >> >> > > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> >> >> > > Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:36 AM
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
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> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Ashok ji, page 155-157 of 1952 part 3 uploaded by Nirmal ji ....
> >> >> > > SEHAT, BIMARI, NAFA, NUKSAAN, FATEH, SHIKASAT (these words include
> >> >> > > all
> >> >> > > of ur querries) har do pehlu ke liye yahi asool honge. This line is
> >> >> > > 2nd line under subhead BIMAARI on page 155 as ref. above. But my
> >> >> > > friend this is not all inclusive. e.g. Bimari of aathraa is
> >> >> > > explained
> >> >> > > in farmaan no. 161 1939 volume. Go in for short cuts only in
> >> >> > > desperate
> >> >> > > situation. For study and research follow guidelines given by pt. Ji
> >> >> > > in
> >> >> > > SARSARI NOTE Regards. Kulbir.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> > >> Kulbir Ji,
> >> >> > >> Thanks for the reply. If you can write me where in lal kitab
> >> >> > >> written
> >> >> > >> how
> >> >> > >> to
> >> >> > >> evaluate
> >> >> > >> the native range of success, that would be great.
> >> >> > >> I am very much interested in the intensity(scale) of health,
> >> >> > >> success
> >> >> > >> or
> >> >> > >> failure.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Best regards
> >> >> > >> Ashok Singh
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
> >> >> > >> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW MUCH ?? )
> >> >> > >> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> >> >> > >> Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 12:03 PM
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
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> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Ashok ji, what u are saying is represented loosely by the term
> >> >> > >> oxymoron. Secondly health and success may be related somehow. But
> >> >> > >> illness is no deterent to success. Then success in which field? It
> >> >> > >> has
> >> >> > >> to be specific. Lastly the dictum that all houses and planets have
> >> >> > >> to
> >> >> > >> be considered before reaching a conclusion. This type of isolated
> >> >> > >> study is against the basic rules of lalkitab. Regards. Kulbir.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> On 6/12/09, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> > >>> Dear Members,
> >> >> > >>> In a horoscope priciple to see health,sucess/ failure is the
> >> >> > >>> same.
> >> >> > >>> Can we find range of sucess as in Lal kitab written HNo. 10 shows
> >> >> > >>> the intensity of illiness does it applicable for sucess also.
> >> >> > >>> It would be really appreciated.
> >> >> > >>> My real goal is to find HOW MUCH i.e. what would be the range of
> >> >> > >>> sucess.
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> Thanks
> >> >> > >>> Ashok
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