Dear Kulbir Ji,
//"is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya
hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki ghatnaon ki buniyad par zindagi ke
halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai"//
The above is the answer give by you your self for all the queries raised by you.
Not only amitabh bachan , every person have his own destiny even they have the same date, time and place of birth and having same Mother father (In case of Twins).
Let us see the example illustrated in the lalkitab. Pandit Jee has made natal kundlis based on birth data as well as on the basis of signs & line on Palm. While delineating the Kundli, He has descarded the kundli made by use of birth date & panchang etc and used the Kundli based made on the basis of Palm.
Pt. Ji has clarified that for the practice and till one is so perfect in palmistry one may use the Kundlis based on Birth Data. That is for practice not for real use, But he also suggested to use the teva durusti method based upon the real events , Makan Kundli and by looking on the person body structure etc etc.
In my opinion every lalkitab student must try to practice the palmistry and other samudrik methods to cast /verify the Kundlis.
//So is it correct to apply
varshphal even if the birth data is correct by seconds//
Duration of a particular lagna is two hrs Approx. As lalkitab uses the house kundlis therefore the person born in two hours duration of a Lagna will have the same kundli. So there is no need to go for seconds as far as the lalkitab system of astrology is concerned. the only dictum left in this case is to apply the Teva Durusti (Kundli Correction).
//You know almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt the method
of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it correct.//
"Lallu Kare Kavvaliyaan Rabb Sidhiyaan Paave" In my opinion, the astrologe,r who is having this grace of God and Untill this phrase stays with him , can use it with no fear. But in the real sense Either the astrologer should apply correction to each and every planet for its correct position or use the Palm based kundli for real interpretation. I feel now most of us are applying teva durusti before interpretition.
Regards
Nirmal
Nirmal ji, lalkitab says "janam waqt din mah umar saal sab kuch iism
naam bhi udda deti hai" then it says "is vidya ki neev samudrik vidya
hai.... Thos cheezon aur pakki ghatnaon ki buniyad par zindagi ke
halaton ke jawabon ko darust mana gaya hai" example of finding time of
sadhe satti is given. Then it talks about darusti by palmistry and
only then apply varshphal. Recently i came across Amitabh Bachan's
kundali. Many persons would have born with his birth data but they
didn't attain the same status as his. So is it correct to apply
varshphal even if the birth data is correct by seconds. You know
almost every practitioner in this field and about 99% adopt the method
of using birth horoscope and jumping on to varshphal. Is it correct.
Waiting for an honest answer. Regards. Kulbir.
On 6/13/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@gmail.com > wrote:
> Guruji, the half line mentioned by ur goodself i.e. Line 11 page 3
> when read in full is "JANAM WAQT DIN MAH UMAR SAAL SAB KUCH, ISM NAAM
> KO BHI UDDA DETI HAI" can't under stand why u missed the first half
> of the line. So that means Janam waqt, din, mah, umar, saal, are also
> not to be considered. Then what is varshphal, importance of janam din
> ka grah, janam waqt ka grah etc. Needn't mention many concepts based
> on these. Why did u quote just half the line and ignored the first
> part. Regards. Kulbir.
>
> On 6/13/09, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@yahoo.com > wrote:
>> Respected Nirmal ji
>>
>> I fully agree with you that the word "Naam" means social status not the
>> name
>> of a person. The next word "Haisiyat" and the complete word "Naam
>> Haisiyat"
>> itself are self explanatory.
>>
>> In my humble opinion, Pundit ji just indicated regarding the belief of
>> some
>> people (baa'zon ney) only, and not at all accepted this theory. If the
>> name
>> of a person's name had any significance whatsoever- Pundit Ji would not
>> have
>> emphasized the following while describing the methodology of Lal kitab:
>>
>> "........Ism naam ko bhi uDaa deti hai." (Lal Kitab 1941, page no. 3 line
>> 11)
>>
>> Respectfully
>> Yograj Prabhakar
>>
>>
>> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups. , Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@...>com
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Respected Kulbir Ji,
>>> in my view it as a good practice to fix the name of a native in such a
>>> way
>>> that you can know the birth data from his name. Normally it was done by
>>> relating the name of the person with some incident, day, time at the
>>> timeof
>>> birthetc etc. In Punjab, I used to find the person having name ,som
>>> nath,
>>> Mangal, Budh ram or budhu, Veeru, baaru etc etc linked with the day of
>>> birth, Chet ram for chaitra birth, visakhu for viskakha birth, Pooran
>>> for
>>> punima birth and so on.. The astrologer normaly know the nature of
>>> person
>>> knowing the position of moon & sun in the Nakshatra. As explained by
>>> Bhandari Ji, There are 108 Nakshatra pada or divisions also called
>>> Navamsha.
>>> Each division has been assigned a letter(Character) by our anscestors.
>>> The
>>> first character of name of a person is based upon the postion of Moon
>>> in
>>> the particular division/pada of Nakshatra and character assigned to that
>>> pada and similarlyThe first character of second word of the name is kept
>>> with the position of sun in patrtcular pada. In my point of view, this
>>> is
>>> a
>>> great method devised by our ancestor astrologers to know the about the
>>> position of moon & Sun at birth time from the name of the Person. This
>>> is
>>> good algorithm devised by them and is still being followed in rural
>>> areas
>>> of
>>> India.
>>> regarding
>>> //".... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR
>>> MANA HAI" the popular method is to derive the first alphabet
>>> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7
>>> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. //
>>> In first line In my opinion, Pt. Ji Has just given a reference that some
>>> persons give preference to the alphatbetics of the names to make boost
>>> the
>>> Luck. This practice is being widely followed/advised presently by
>>> astrologers having Numerology base and By some vedic astrologer by not
>>> using
>>> the albhabets assigned to nakshatra Padas which comes under the bad
>>> planets
>>> and owner of Bad houses.
>>> Regading "Naam Haisiyat Duniya Lenge" in my opinion The word naam here
>>> is
>>> being used to refer the status of the person in community.
>>> Regards
>>> Nirmal
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/6/6 Mr Bhandari <bhandari1951@...>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > *Respected Kulbir Ji,*
>>> >
>>> > * *
>>> >
>>> > *It is quite an interesting question, which you have asked with
>>> > reference
>>> > to LAL KITAB.*
>>> >
>>> > * *
>>> >
>>> > *In our PUNJAB area, or we may say in NORTH INDIA, where LAL KITAB is
>>> > having its origin, some people select names of their child: *
>>> >
>>> > * *
>>> >
>>> > *(1) as per birth time calculations (BIRTH RASHI SIGN), and only one
>>> > alphabet is selected for one segment of constellation in which the
>>> > child
>>> > is
>>> > born, so there are only four words, which may fall within one
>>> > constellation,
>>> > and there are total nine words quoted for one sign, as there are 2.25
>>> > constellations allocated to every sign of zodiac.*
>>> >
>>> > * *
>>> >
>>> > *(2) Only select one name alphabet (NAME RASHI SIGN), as per their
>>> > religious rites or that name may be given by any elderly person of
>>> > that
>>> > family to that child.*
>>> >
>>> > * *
>>> >
>>> > *Here, we will find, that 1st is according to BIRTH RASHI SIGN, where
>>> > as
>>> > 2
>>> > nd is selected, in which case it is not confirmed whether that word
>>> > may
>>> > pertain to RASHI SIGN or not, but both these names suggest something,
>>> > as
>>> > it
>>> > was also quoted in our ANCIENT ASTROLOGICAL books such as SHEEGHAR
>>> > BODH,
>>> > a
>>> > very small book, but contains wonderful information, which I have
>>> > learned
>>> > from our old traditional PANDIT JI.*
>>> >
>>> > * *
>>> >
>>> > *Difference in the use of these both names is as under:*
>>> >
>>> > * *
>>> >
>>> > *At the time of marriage, to check the influences of malefic planets
>>> > during transit and in Kundli Matching, fixing marriage date etc.,
>>> > BIRTH
>>> > RASHI SIGN name will be used.*
>>> >
>>> > * *
>>> >
>>> > *Similarly, at a time of fight between two enemies for checking out
>>> > influence of planets, to work out Mahurta for construction of House or
>>> > establishing some other work, to check influence of any city from
>>> > name,
>>> > on
>>> > that person where he/she wants to reside, NAME RASHI will work with
>>> > more
>>> > accuracy as compared with that BIRTH RASHI.*
>>> >
>>> > * *
>>> >
>>> > *According to this, both signs, whether that is a BIRTH RASHI SIGN or
>>> > A
>>> > NAME RASHI SIGN are having their utility value at their desired
>>> > level.*
>>> >
>>> > * *
>>> >
>>> > *AS, THE NAME OF A PERSON IS NEVER FIXED ACCORDING TO ASCEDENT, IT IS
>>> > ONLY
>>> > FIXED ACCORDING TO BIRTH RASHI SIGN OR SOMETIMES WITHOUT THIS, SO IT
>>> > IS
>>> > NOT
>>> > ADVISED TO USE NAME SIGN OR RASHI SIGN AS IN HOUSE NUMBER ONE, i.e. as
>>> > ASCENDENT, EXCEPT IN CASE, WHERE RASHI SIGN AND ASCENDENT SIGN ARE
>>> > SAME
>>> > ACCORDING TO HOROSCOPE.*
>>> >
>>> > * *
>>> >
>>> > *With regards¡¡rabinder bhandari*
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2009/6/6 kulbir bance <kulbirbance@...>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Respected Bhandari ji, lalkitab armaan page one last para; it is
>>> >> written that ".... ISLIYE SIRF NAAM PAR HI BAAZON NE KISMAT KA ASAR
>>> >> MANA HAI" the popular method is to derive the first alphabet
>>> >> corresponding to the chandra rashi nakshatra. Lalkitab gutka page 7
>>> >> line 7 pakka ghar no.1 says " .... NAAM HASIYAT DUNIYA LENGE. Can we
>>> >> name a child considering planets in house no 1 in sucg a way that the
>>> >> name of the child gives a boost to his destiny. Kindly share your
>>> >> learned views on this aspect. Regards. Kulbir.
>>> >>
>>> >> On 6/5/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@... <nirbhar%40gmail.com>>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > Dear Tahmasp ,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Here is an excrepts from the Chiero Famous book 'Language of Hand'.
>>> >> > Here
>>> >> > Chiero discussed about Lalkitab. I highlighted the related text.
>>> >> > Regards
>>> >> > Nirmal
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 2009-06-05
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ·¢¼þÈË£º shahtahmasp
>>> >> > ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä£º 2009-06-04 19:59:36
>>> >> > ÊÕ¼þÈË£º astrostudents
>>> >> > ³ËÍ£º
>>> >> > Ö÷Ì⣺ [astrostudents] Palmistry
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Sarey buzurk members ko Salaam I have a question regarding the
>>> >> similarity or
>>> >> > differences in western palmistry from authors like the
>>> >> > very succesful Cheiro and our Lal Kitab
>>> >> > Respectfully
>>> >> > Tahmasp
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Sent from my mobile device
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
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