Astrostudents-Group Discussions: Re: [astrostudents] Why study Astrology?

Rescpected Kondal Sahib, Lala Sohan Lal Suri belonged to family of
Raj jyotishi family of lahore darbar. He wrote a record of the dates
and a chronicle of events. Later it was given a shape of book
Umdat-ut-tawarikh. Avtar Singh Gill has translated some portions in
his book. Blood bath after Ranjit Singh. Apart from some prediction
techniques and upayas. A great deal is given about the personal
conduct of the Chief Royal Astrologer. It is simply amazing. Regards.
Kulbir.

On 6/25/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal@yahoo.com> wrote:
> dated
> 25-6-2009
>
> Dear sumit,
> I am really feeling pleasure in replying you
> for your wonderfully explained answer and making a good and appropriate
> move in giving answer for true astrology.this is a subject which is
> untouched in our group or not discussed yet.we all should try to get some
> charts of pious and religious persons in our day to day life and try to
> understand what made them led to such a nativity.
>
> although everyone must be saying jupiter will be the main planet for this
> but in what conditions and which are the other planets which lead to such a
> pious and religious life.
> there are persons who pose to be religious .others are actually religious
> but we cant make them out,some are easily recognised of their religion from
> their lifestyle.but do all of them will achieve their goal or some out of
> them will realise god or none of them?
> these are the answers which we have to find in birth chart.and by all
> members efforts we can achieve this collectively.
> once again sumit i congratulate you for being the
> pioneer in answering this topic.keep it up.if we are able to understand the
> horoscope nicely in a spiritual way or manner then the horoscope for this
> worldly affairs will be understood automatically.
>
> regards
> MS KONDAL
>
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> From: sumitbansal_81 <sumitbansal_81@yahoo.com>
> To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:03:48 AM
> Subject: [astrostudents] Why study Astrology?
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> Respected All,
>
> It is indeed a pleasure in itself to see and read such a beautiful topic
> related to Astrology which clearly outlines the true nature and objective of
> Astrology. Kondalji has given us a marvelous insight in the basic idea
> towards the mere existance of the Jyotish Shastra. It is righly said that
> Jyotish is the "ISHVARIYA JYOTI" and is a guiding light of each and every
> human being towards achieving the "Ultimate Goal" - to become "One" with the
> GOD by providing the means to initiate the purification process of "Chitt"
> and "Mann".
>
> However, even when there are millions of human beings taking birth on this
> planet earth, not even one percent of them ever think about the reason as
> why are they born and what is the specific task assigned to them by that one
> Supreme God and which is the specific path, he/she has to tread in order to
> achieve or fulfill that specific task?
> And the saddest part of the story is that by the time one realizes the need
> and authenticity of these questions, there is not enough time left for him
> to achieve the set goal. A very famous Bollywood Song has rightly described
> this situaltion in the following lines:
> "Ladakpan Khel Mein Khoya,
> Jawaani Neend Bhar Soya,
> Burhahpa Dekh Kar Roya,
> Yehi Kissa Puraana Hai."
> But Jyoish is that devine light which can help an individual by breaking the
> spell of his slumber just as the light of the morning sun awakes a sleeping
> person.
>
> Spiritualism oozes from each and every aspect of Jyotish Shastra. The only
> consideration is the "View Point" or "Nazar" by which anyone looks at it. To
> illustrate, I can provide a very simple example of "Horoscope Matching".
>
> Every human being has some kind of desire(s) present in his heart and these
> desires then lead to the formation of "Aasha" and "Trishna". This in turn
> leads to the creation of the "Karma" which ultimately culminate in the
> formation of "Paap" and "Punya". These Paap and Punya are the deciding
> factors of the type and quality of the next life which this jeevatma has to
> undergo.
> Now the ultimate Goal of any individual is to become one with GOD or to
> attain the state of "Adwait" and this can only be done by the purification
> of "Chitt" and "Mann" which can be attained by the purification of "Karma"
> and this is the exact point where Jyotish comes into play.
>
> Anyone can Purify the Karmas in Two Ways, either using both or any one of
> the two. And the two ways are:
> 1. Naam Jaap - where the "Naam" is given by a "Sat-Guru" and the "Sat-Guru"
> himself is guiding the person.
> 2. Dividing or Cutting his Atma into few smaller pieces and then purifying
> them one by one.
>
> "YES, ATMA CAN ALSO BE CUT." and this is the ultimate truth of the
> spirituality which if understood properly, will describe as how the GOD is
> keeping himself alive or "Amar". I cannot describe more here due to "Guru
> Agya" but, the only hint I can give is that a "Sperm" or "Beej" created
> inside the human body is as much living as we are and we all are made from
> this "Sperm" and we all have atma. Female Egg can only provide the breeding
> ground for this so called "Beej" but, cannot impart the "Atma" in the
> "Beej". So, where does this "Atma" comes into the "Beej" ???? Yes, you
> guessed it right, it is the "Ansh" of our own "Atma". And in this particular
> sense, each Father is just like "Param-Atma" to his offspring. So, it is the
> atma of the Father which is cut into pieces everytime sperms leaves his
> body. "No further explanation on this part can be given here due to the
> sensitivity of the topic"
>
> Now, if you are using the option "One" only then it is "Okay" in all sense.
> However, if you are using the Option "Two" or "Both the options", then there
> is a catch that the "Ansh" or "Beej of your Atma" might not get a proper
> breeding ground which might result into creation of more desire in the Beej
> due to lack of the proper "Nutrients" which a Beej might take from Mother
> which will again create "Aasha" and "Trishna" and so on to "Paap" and
> "Punya". And if this happens, then, the Beej again has to go through the
> complete cycle of "Chauraasi".
>
> As explained above, the so called "Nutrients" are nothing but the "Guna" of
> the Mother and the "Actual Requirement of the Beej" is the "Guna" of the
> Father. So, if there is a mismatch between the two, then the Option Two is
> bound to fail which will create more distress in the human society. AND TO
> BE HONEST, OPTION TWO IS THE ONE WHICH IS BEING USED IN A VERY VERY VERY
> LARGE PROPORTION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE ACTUAL TRUTH BEHIND THE USE OF
> THIS OPTION. AND ONLY JYOTISH IS CAPABLE OF RECTIFYING THIS MISTAKE OF MAN
> AND SHOWING AS HOW TO BEGET WORTHY CHILDREN BY PROPER MATCHING OF SOIL AND
> SEED.
>
> This clearly shows the Criticality as why Horoscope Matching is so important
> and the undefiable relationship between Jyotish and Aadhyatam.
>
> In the end I can only say that Option One is the only True Option as Option
> Two is just like using a shortcut which has the reputation of "Backfiring
> Percentage" set at 99.99% as the Jyotish Shastra is not being used as
> required. No one literally know as how to implement the jyotish shastra. All
> just know one thing and that is how to do the upai and that also incorrect.
> If you are playing with gun loaded bullets, and you don't know how to use
> the gun properly, then at least cover yourself with a bulletproof dress
> first. Providing or telling Upai of something so much spiritual will only
> erode you spiritually unless and untill you have the required "Guru Kripa".
>
> I tender my apologies for being rude or harsh. My purpose of writing this
> was not to offend anyone but to provide the exact scenario as what is being
> done and what could it lead to. If I have hurt the feelings of anyone, then
> please ask yourself, "Do you really have the required Bullet-Proof Suite?"
> You will get the answer yourself. The Supreme God speakes from the very
> inside of your "Chitt" or "Ghat-Mandir" . Listen to him and you will get the
> answer.....
>
> Whatever I have learned from my revered Guruji is as under:
> "Guru Kripa Se Hai Mila,
> Jiska Naam Sunaam.
> Ghat Ghat Mein Bole Jo Sabke,
> Hai Woh Atma Ram."
>
> Regards,
> Sumit Bansal.
>
> --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal@..
> .> wrote:
>>
>>
>> date:18-6-2009
>>
>> hello kulbir ji,
>>
>> first of
>> all let me thank u for discussing such a vital point in astrology or
>> everybody life that why and for what we are doing any job as quoted by
>> u that why we are using or doing astrology.this is a very crucial point
>> and i will try to contribute from myside what ever i know openly and
>> would like everybody to share their views on this topic because this is
>> directly related to our spiritual enlightenment and getting in touch
>> with god.this topic is never ending and i request all members to keep
>> on writing their true experiences and findings regarding spiritual and
>> worldly astrology and try to differentiate between the two.
>>
>> as kulbir ji has quoted from osho's book the words
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>> jyotish
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>> sampooranta
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>> ekta
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>> advait
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>> all these words are self explanatry
>> but if we start explaining them then we will become short of words but
>> i would say that if we compile all these in one word we can say these
>> are the qualities of one and only one supreme and that is the ULTIMATE
>> GOD.
>>
>> ACTUALLY WE ARE THE JEEVATMAS AND
>> ARE PART OF THE SUPREME LORD AND DUE TO VARIOUS JANAMAS AND BIRTHS LOT
>> OF MISCONCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN ENGRAVED IN OUR MINDS AND BECAUSE OF OUR
>> SANCHIT KARMAS AND DUE TO PRARABDH WE ARE GETTING BIRTHS AGAIN AND
>> AGAIN AND GETTING DETACHED FROM THE SUPREME DAY BY DAY TO FULFIL OUR
>> WORLDLY DEEDS,WHICH ULTIMATELY LAND US NOWHERE ELSE THAN REBIRTH TO
>> FULFIL OUR DESIRES AND WE GET USED TO THE RE BIRTH CYCLE AND CARRY ON
>> AND FORGET OUR TRUE HOME THAT IS NONE OTHER THAN THE SUPREME FATHER
>> GOD.BUT
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>> REMEBER ONE THING
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>> HE WHO GIVES ,GIVES,GIVES, GIVES.... ...... AND FORGIVES IS GOD
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>> AND
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>> WHO GETS, GETS, GETS, GETS........ ..... AND FORGETS IS HUMAN
>> BEING
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>> THIS IS THE NATURE OF GOD
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>> BUT THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF HIS
>> FORGIVING NATURE BY DEFAULT THE SUPREME HAS PROGRAMMED EACH AND EVERY
>> HUMAN MIND TO THINK OF ITSELF FOR THE ACTUAL TRUTH THAT WHY HE IS ON
>> THIS EARTH?WHY HE IS BORN,WHAT HE HAS TO DO,IS HE HERE FOR MAKING MONEY
>> OR IS HE HERE TO ENJOY WOMEN OR IS HE HERE TO FOOL OTHERS OR IS HE HERE
>> TO MAKE PROPERTY?
>> AND MANY MANY OTHER QUESTIONS, EVERY HUMAN THINKS IN HIS MIND SOME DAY
>> SOME TIME .
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>> THOSE R LUCKY WHO THINK AT EARLY
>> STAGE OF LIFE AND MANY THINK AT LATER AGE BUT ALL OF THEM TRY TO
>> UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL THING AND SOME R ABLE TO GET ANSWERS BUT THEY
>> DONT HAVE THE TIME TO USE IT PRACTICALLY BECAUSE LIFE IS TOO SHORT.
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>> SO JYOTISH MEANS ISHVARIYA JYOTI AND EVERYBODY IS HAVING A
>> PART OF IT BUT HOW MANY HAVE REALISED IT?
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>> SAMPOORANTA MEANS WHO HAS MASTERD THE ALL
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>> EKTA MEANS ONENESS
>>
>> ADWAIT AGAIN THE
>> PERSON WHO HAS RAISED ABOVE FROM THE DVAIT BHAV THAT MEANS HE HAS NO
>> DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
>> T
>> - HE TWO. MEANS JO DO SE EK ROOP HO JAYE .
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>> AS I SAID IT IS JUST A START I DONT
>> KNOW WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ,BUT THIS IS THE TOPIC WHICH IS ATTACHED WITH
>> EVERY BODY LIFE SO KEEP ON DISCUSSING IT .PRADEEP SHARMA JI WAS TELLING
>> ME MOST OF THE TIMES THAT I SHOULD START SUCH A TOPIC BUT I WAS WAITING
>> REALLY FOR THE DAY, THAT THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN SOME ONE WILL COME
>> OUT OF SO MANY LEARNED PEOPLE AND WILL ASK FOR THE TRUE MEANING OF
>> ASTROLOGY.YET I HAVE NOT WRITTEN MUCH BUT I WILL LOVE TO WRITE MORE
>> BECAUSE THIS IS THE QUESTION RELATED TO OUR TRUE SELF AND IT IS MY
>> FOREMOST DUTY TO ANSWER AND WILL TRY TO TELL WHAT I EXPERIENCED AND
>> WILL LEARN FROM ALL MY SENIORS AND COLLEAGUES WHO R REALLY DESPERATELY
>> AND SINCERELY FINDING LOTS AND LOTS OF THINGS BY MEANS OF ASTROLOGY TO
>> GIVE BENEFITS TO THE SOCIETY
>>
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>> THERE IS A GURUBANI QUOTE BHAYI PRAPAT MANUKH DEOHRIA GOBIND MILAN
>> KI EHO TERI BARIYA
>> AVAR KAAJ TERE
>> KITE NAA KAAM MIL SAADH SANGAT BHAJ KEVAL NAAM
>>
>>
>> MEANS: FOR WHAT U HAVE GOT BIRTH ON
>> THIS UNIVERSE? U HAVE GOT THIS HUMAN BODY TO MEET THE SUPREME THE
>> ULTIMATE AND THAT TOO U CAN DO WITHIN THIS HUMAN BIRTH ONLY,YOUR ALL
>> OTHER DEEDS WONT GIVE U ANYTHING AT ALL,ONLY AND ONLY RECITATION OF THE
>> ULTIMATE AND GETTING UNITED WITH IT IS YOUR GOAL.
>>
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>> in the last i would say, by the help
>> of astrology everybody should try to find the sins or the sanchit
>> karmas by means of planets and try to get rid of their influences by
>> jap daan homas and sewa and many other means but should do these things
>> sincerely and with a fear in mind that i have to get out of this cycle
>> or any bad habit which i am having because of the planets bad
>> influence, because of sanchit karmas.so we r here to get lessons from
>> our previous births and lead a new life in this birth with the help of
>> astrology by trying to rectifying our bad vices and lusts for life and
>> try to become detached from worldly deeds.sorry everybody if i had
>> written anything wrong and ever hurt any body sentiments.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> MS KONDAL
>>
>>
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>> From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ ...>
>> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53:08 AM
>> Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Ashok ji; why study astrology?
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>> Respected Ashok ji; since the day u asked " why am i interested in
>> study of astrology" i was looking for an answer. I read Osho's article
>> on astrology he writes " JYOTISH SAMPOORANTA, EAKTA AUR ADVAIT KA
>> VIGYAN HAI". Regards. Kulbir.
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>> On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Kulbir Ji,
>> > Thanks a lots.
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>> > Best of regards
>> > Ashok Singh
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>> > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW MUCH ?? )
>> > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
>> > Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:36 AM
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>> > Ashok ji, page 155-157 of 1952 part 3 uploaded by Nirmal ji ....
>> > SEHAT, BIMARI, NAFA, NUKSAAN, FATEH, SHIKASAT (these words include all
>> > of ur querries) har do pehlu ke liye yahi asool honge. This line is
>> > 2nd line under subhead BIMAARI on page 155 as ref. above. But my
>> > friend this is not all inclusive. e.g. Bimari of aathraa is explained
>> > in farmaan no. 161 1939 volume. Go in for short cuts only in desperate
>> > situation. For study and research follow guidelines given by pt. Ji in
>> > SARSARI NOTE Regards. Kulbir.
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>> > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> Kulbir Ji,
>> >> Thanks for the reply. If you can write me where in lal kitab written
>> >> how
>> >> to
>> >> evaluate
>> >> the native range of success, that would be great.
>> >> I am very much interested in the intensity(scale) of health, success or
>> >> failure.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards
>> >> Ashok Singh
>> >>
>> >> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW MUCH ?? )
>> >> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
>> >> Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 12:03 PM
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>> >> Ashok ji, what u are saying is represented loosely by the term
>> >> oxymoron. Secondly health and success may be related somehow. But
>> >> illness is no deterent to success. Then success in which field? It has
>> >> to be specific. Lastly the dictum that all houses and planets have to
>> >> be considered before reaching a conclusion. This type of isolated
>> >> study is against the basic rules of lalkitab. Regards. Kulbir.
>> >>
>> >> On 6/12/09, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>> Dear Members,
>> >>> In a horoscope priciple to see health,sucess/ failure is the same.
>> >>> Can we find range of sucess as in Lal kitab written HNo. 10 shows
>> >>> the intensity of illiness does it applicable for sucess also.
>> >>> It would be really appreciated.
>> >>> My real goal is to find HOW MUCH i.e. what would be the range of
>> >>> sucess.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks
>> >>> Ashok
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