Tuesday, June 16, 2009

Re: [astrostudents] Upayagers or Astrologers ?



Iqbal ji, that's what i have been saying all along. We haven't
developed rather understood the exact application of varshphal
technique. Theoretically there is no end to discussion. The only
alternative is to study/check practical implementation on some data.
Regards. Kulbir.

On 6/17/09, Iqbal Singh <punjabilovebug@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Respected Kulbir Paji - In situations like planets having backward-facing
> vision like Mars 5th or Saturn 8th, would the same logic in the natal chart
> need to be applied to the varshphal as well?
>
> For example if Mars 5th came to 3rd house in varshphal then by your logic
> It should present its results in 2nd house, and LK says that all planets are
> looking back one house. Then would all planets in the varshphal have similar
> effect? Would Mars show results in 2nd or 3rd month?
>
> Best Regards,
> Iqbal
>
>
>
>
> Sent via Blackberry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" <nirbhar@gmail.com>
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:56:27
> To: <astrostudents@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Upayagers or Astrologers ?
>
>
> Dear Kulbir Ji,
> Truly speaking this is a big subject for me. I am still treat myself at
> learning stage. I hope will be going for this soon.
> Regards
> Nirmal
> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@...> wrote:
>>
>> Respected Nirmal ji, have u worked upon the issue as to various
>> methods/aspects of varshphal analysis can be synchoronized. After all
>> we have to keep each in mind. Regards. Kulbir.
>>
>> On 6/7/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@...> wrote:
>> > Jitin ji, there are exceptions to this rule. 1. The planet that
>> > occupies a certain house will give its result in that month
>> > corressponding to the house no. Occupied by it e.g. Of mer in 2nd
>> > house in varshphal is given in the book. Here the monthly chart
>> > erected by moving sun will show different position of mer. But since
>> > mer. is in 2 in varshphal. Mer will show its results in the 2nd month
>> > predominantly. So is the case with other planets. 2ndly the current
>> > year has to be divided by the house occupied by the planet. The
>> > remainder shows the actual effect of that planet in that year. Plz
>> > read further in the book. Then their are some specific conditions laid
>> > down related to natal and varshphal placement of some planets e.g.
>> > When mer of 9 will come in 11 in varshphal. Then there is dhoke ka
>> > grah. Then us saal rashi no. Ke bolne wale grah Mathematical rules
>> > don't help. U will have to master or atleast try the art of
>> > synchoronizing all these aspects. For calculative part the software is
>> > there in the files section. But synchoronizing is up to you. Regards.
>> > Kulbir.
>> >
>> > On 6/7/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@...> wrote:
>> >> Respected Mr. Wandahl,
>> >> Sometimes i am thick as a wall to grasp things, but you have explained
>> >> this
>> >> method in the most easy to understand way via an example.
>> >> Your calculation or just "shifting of lagna" seems logical and easy
>> >> too.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you once again sir and keep guiding us like this.
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely
>> >> Jitin Syal
>> >>
>> >> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Finn Wandahl" <finn.wandahl@>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear Jitin,
>> >>>
>> >>> Quote: > However if i may can i please request you to elaborate the
>> >>> monthly chart system (according to your easier calculation) <
>> >>>
>> >>> You must be referring to the explanation in my earlier message to
>> >>> Yograj. Well, it is actually very simple. I will illustrate the
>> >>> method
>> >>> by way of an example.
>> >>>
>> >>> Yesterday I made the horoscope for a young man born in India. This is
>> >>> the Varshphal kundali for his 24th year. Please draw it:
>> >>>
>> >>> H.No. 5: Sun & Merc
>> >>> H.No. 6: Ven
>> >>> H. No. 7: Saturn
>> >>> H.No. 8: Moon & Ketu
>> >>> H.No. 10: Rahu
>> >>> H.No. 11: Mars
>> >>> H.No. 12: Jupiter
>> >>>
>> >>> Normally to find the Monthly chart you would move the Sun to the
>> >>> Lagna,
>> >>> and move the Sun one house for each month, keeping the planets in
>> >>> their
>> >>> respective positions with respect to the Sun.
>> >>>
>> >>> However, you may just as well move the Lagna to the Sun, and then
>> >>> move
>> >>> the Lagna backwards at the rate one house for each month. The results
>> >>> will be exactly the same. Except that this method is much faster and
>> >>> easier, since you can read the monthly charts directly out of the
>> >>> Varshphal Kundali.
>> >>>
>> >>> Example:
>> >>>
>> >>> The year begin from the young mans 24th years birthday. The Sun is in
>> >>> H.No. 5, so put the Lagna in H.No. 5 and keep the planets as they
>> >>> are.
>> >>> This will be the monthly chart of the 1st month. With a sharp eye
>> >>> you
>> >>> have to look at the whole chart from the 5th house, and you can
>> >>> easily
>> >>> see that Sun & Merc is in the 1st, Ven in the 2nd, Saturn in the 3rd
>> >>> etc.
>> >>>
>> >>> To find the chart of the 2nd month you move the Lagna backwards to
>> >>> H.No.
>> >>> 4 and observe the whole chart from H.No. 4 in the regular order as if
>> >>> H.No. 4 was the Lagna...
>> >>>
>> >>> To find the chart of the 3rd month you move the Lagna backwards to
>> >>> H.No.
>> >>> 3, for the 4th month you move Lagna to H.No. 2... etc. etc.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best wishes,
>> >>> Finn
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "jitinsyal82" <jitinsyal82@>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Respected sir,
>> >>> > Thanks for sharing your deep knowledge of the subject once again,
>> >>> > it
>> >>> has/will help lot of students like me.However if i may can i please
>> >>> request you to elaborate the monthly chart system (according to your
>> >>> easier calculation) with the help of an example as i am a very slow
>> >>> learner.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Sincerely
>> >>> > Jitin Syal
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sent from my mobile device
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Sent from my mobile device
>>
>
>
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