Jitin Jee,
I apologize for the delayed response, however, I was just thinking as why have you asked this question?
The Option One was to do the "Naam Jaap" which is specifically given by the "Sat-Guru" and in addition to it, the "Sat-Guru" should be guiding the individual. Now, if "Sat-Guru" is guiding the person himself, then it is bound that he will not let the person do any kind of so called "Unnecessary Intervention" in any of the plans of the Amighty. Further, if the individual is also doing "Proper" Naam-Jaap then there is no way, that he himself will ever be thinking of doing something which is against the Almighty.
I don't know about you or anyone else, however, I know one thing that I HAVE BEEN able to understand GOD in a much broader sense. You can say that I have "Touched" the God himself. Yet, I am far far away from him. And I can say one thing with full confidence and authority that I or anyone else does not have even an iota of capability to change the Will of the Supreme Almighty.
Secondly, this is "Not" a prediction. This is something which is, which was and which will remain forever because in this "Option One" of "Naam Jaap" there is no "Law of Change".
Thirdly, this "Option One" just does not come under the field of "Jyotish". However, "Jyotish" is something which comes under the field of "Adhyatam". A person who is spiritually very strong will tell the complete story of your life by just looking at your face of even by just your name, however, A person who is very very strong in Jyotish cannot even tell if a person sitting in front of him is spiritullay strong or just spiritual because Jyotish can only tell if a person has some kind of spiritual inclination or not. But, it cannot tell the depth of it. Evan "Lal Kitab" says only one thing in relation to the depth of spirituality that "Khudai Pahunch Darja Kamal Hogi". Now, how to describe the "Darja Kamal" is upto the Astrologer.
Finally, "Lal Kitab" also states one line that "Duniyaavi Hisaab Kitab Hai, Koi Dava-e-Khudai nahi". So, "Lal Kitab" or any other Jyotish is applicable only on Option Two, where "Duniyaavi Hisaab Kitab" is maintained. "Option One" deals with ONLY "Dava-e-Khudai" and that is beyond this topic and I don't even have the required "Guru-Agya" to explain it to anyone.
If still you are interested in knowing Option One more, then, first find a "Sat-Guru" and then seek his/her blessings. This is the only way. No Shortcuts. Yet, sure-shot.
Famous Couplets of "Kabir" says it all:
"Yeh Tan Vish Ki Belri, Guru Amrit Ki Khaan.
Sheesh Diyo jo Guru Mile, To Bhi Sasta Jaan."
"Saari Dharti Kaagaz Karoon, Saara Jal Syahi Ho Jaaye,
Saare Van ko Kalam Karoon, Phir Bhi Guru Gun Likha Na Jaaye"
Regards,
Sumit Bansal.
--- In astrostudents@
>
> Kulbir paaji,
> I always feel that we(humans) are here to balance our negative, positives from previous births. if someone doesn't have something in this world he is just paying for his sins or vice versa. Even Pt. ji has left the "greh phal" planets untouched as somethings can't be changed.
>
> I totally agree that, any unnecessary intervention with Almighty's plan WILL backfire, hence my point was to ask sumit ji to elaborate their option/way one where he has predicted a "sure shot" at success.
>
> yours sincerely
> Jitin Syal
>
> --- In astrostudents@
> >
> > Syal ji, sumeet ji will answer ur querry. I would like to share a
> > fact. After world war the ratio of male child increased dramatically
> > as compared to female child. 1600 : 1000. Secondly determination of
> > gender at conception has parameters that are generally beyond human
> > control. But still nature has maintained the balance that life goes
> > on. Imagind a scenario if only male or only female child continued say
> > for even a century. But it has not happenned. Why? There is a divine
> > scheme, jyotish is a tool to understand it. This divine scheme and
> > individual interests creat a confusion. Upaya may be suggessted but
> > the upayagar should have knowledge of the divine scheme. Unneccessary
> > intervention will not yield results in the first place and if does
> > somebody is going to pay for it. Written very clearly in lalkitab.
> > Guru is a kind of superimposition on a person's mind to keep him ever
> > alert. Regards. Kulbir.
> >
> > On 6/25/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@
> > > Sumit ji,
> > > Are you saying that option one is a gauranteed success/remedial measure
> > > without any risk of "backfire" or loss of spirituality?
> > > if so, please elaborate further.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Jitin Syal
> > >
> > > --- In astrostudents@
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Respected All,
> > >>
> > >> It is indeed a pleasure in itself to see and read such a beautiful topic
> > >> related to Astrology which clearly outlines the true nature and objective
> > >> of Astrology. Kondalji has given us a marvelous insight in the basic idea
> > >> towards the mere existance of the Jyotish Shastra. It is righly said that
> > >> Jyotish is the "ISHVARIYA JYOTI" and is a guiding light of each and every
> > >> human being towards achieving the "Ultimate Goal" - to become "One" with
> > >> the GOD by providing the means to initiate the purification process of
> > >> "Chitt" and "Mann".
> > >>
> > >> However, even when there are millions of human beings taking birth on this
> > >> planet earth, not even one percent of them ever think about the reason as
> > >> why are they born and what is the specific task assigned to them by that
> > >> one Supreme God and which is the specific path, he/she has to tread in
> > >> order to achieve or fulfill that specific task?
> > >> And the saddest part of the story is that by the time one realizes the
> > >> need and authenticity of these questions, there is not enough time left
> > >> for him to achieve the set goal. A very famous Bollywood Song has rightly
> > >> described this situaltion in the following lines:
> > >> "Ladakpan Khel Mein Khoya,
> > >> Jawaani Neend Bhar Soya,
> > >> Burhahpa Dekh Kar Roya,
> > >> Yehi Kissa Puraana Hai."
> > >> But Jyoish is that devine light which can help an individual by breaking
> > >> the spell of his slumber just as the light of the morning sun awakes a
> > >> sleeping person.
> > >>
> > >> Spiritualism oozes from each and every aspect of Jyotish Shastra. The only
> > >> consideration is the "View Point" or "Nazar" by which anyone looks at it.
> > >> To illustrate, I can provide a very simple example of "Horoscope
> > >> Matching".
> > >>
> > >> Every human being has some kind of desire(s) present in his heart and
> > >> these desires then lead to the formation of "Aasha" and "Trishna". This in
> > >> turn leads to the creation of the "Karma" which ultimately culminate in
> > >> the formation of "Paap" and "Punya". These Paap and Punya are the deciding
> > >> factors of the type and quality of the next life which this jeevatma has
> > >> to undergo.
> > >> Now the ultimate Goal of any individual is to become one with GOD or to
> > >> attain the state of "Adwait" and this can only be done by the purification
> > >> of "Chitt" and "Mann" which can be attained by the purification of "Karma"
> > >> and this is the exact point where Jyotish comes into play.
> > >>
> > >> Anyone can Purify the Karmas in Two Ways, either using both or any one of
> > >> the two. And the two ways are:
> > >> 1. Naam Jaap - where the "Naam" is given by a "Sat-Guru" and the
> > >> "Sat-Guru" himself is guiding the person.
> > >> 2. Dividing or Cutting his Atma into few smaller pieces and then
> > >> purifying them one by one.
> > >>
> > >> "YES, ATMA CAN ALSO BE CUT." and this is the ultimate truth of the
> > >> spirituality which if understood properly, will describe as how the GOD is
> > >> keeping himself alive or "Amar". I cannot describe more here due to "Guru
> > >> Agya" but, the only hint I can give is that a "Sperm" or "Beej" created
> > >> inside the human body is as much living as we are and we all are made from
> > >> this "Sperm" and we all have atma. Female Egg can only provide the
> > >> breeding ground for this so called "Beej" but, cannot impart the "Atma" in
> > >> the "Beej". So, where does this "Atma" comes into the "Beej" ???? Yes, you
> > >> guessed it right, it is the "Ansh" of our own "Atma". And in this
> > >> particular sense, each Father is just like "Param-Atma" to his offspring.
> > >> So, it is the atma of the Father which is cut into pieces everytime sperms
> > >> leaves his body. "No further explanation on this part can be given here
> > >> due to the sensitivity of the topic"
> > >>
> > >> Now, if you are using the option "One" only then it is "Okay" in all
> > >> sense. However, if you are using the Option "Two" or "Both the options",
> > >> then there is a catch that the "Ansh" or "Beej of your Atma" might not get
> > >> a proper breeding ground which might result into creation of more desire
> > >> in the Beej due to lack of the proper "Nutrients" which a Beej might take
> > >> from Mother which will again create "Aasha" and "Trishna" and so on to
> > >> "Paap" and "Punya". And if this happens, then, the Beej again has to go
> > >> through the complete cycle of "Chauraasi".
> > >>
> > >> As explained above, the so called "Nutrients" are nothing but the "Guna"
> > >> of the Mother and the "Actual Requirement of the Beej" is the "Guna" of
> > >> the Father. So, if there is a mismatch between the two, then the Option
> > >> Two is bound to fail which will create more distress in the human society.
> > >> AND TO BE HONEST, OPTION TWO IS THE ONE WHICH IS BEING USED IN A VERY VERY
> > >> VERY LARGE PROPORTION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE ACTUAL TRUTH BEHIND THE
> > >> USE OF THIS OPTION. AND ONLY JYOTISH IS CAPABLE OF RECTIFYING THIS MISTAKE
> > >> OF MAN AND SHOWING AS HOW TO BEGET WORTHY CHILDREN BY PROPER MATCHING OF
> > >> SOIL AND SEED.
> > >>
> > >> This clearly shows the Criticality as why Horoscope Matching is so
> > >> important and the undefiable relationship between Jyotish and Aadhyatam.
> > >>
> > >> In the end I can only say that Option One is the only True Option as
> > >> Option Two is just like using a shortcut which has the reputation of
> > >> "Backfiring Percentage" set at 99.99% as the Jyotish Shastra is not being
> > >> used as required. No one literally know as how to implement the jyotish
> > >> shastra. All just know one thing and that is how to do the upai and that
> > >> also incorrect. If you are playing with gun loaded bullets, and you don't
> > >> know how to use the gun properly, then at least cover yourself with a
> > >> bulletproof dress first. Providing or telling Upai of something so much
> > >> spiritual will only erode you spiritually unless and untill you have the
> > >> required "Guru Kripa".
> > >>
> > >> I tender my apologies for being rude or harsh. My purpose of writing this
> > >> was not to offend anyone but to provide the exact scenario as what is
> > >> being done and what could it lead to. If I have hurt the feelings of
> > >> anyone, then please ask yourself, "Do you really have the required
> > >> Bullet-Proof Suite?" You will get the answer yourself. The Supreme God
> > >> speakes from the very inside of your "Chitt" or "Ghat-Mandir"
> > >> him and you will get the answer.....
> > >>
> > >> Whatever I have learned from my revered Guruji is as under:
> > >> "Guru Kripa Se Hai Mila,
> > >> Jiska Naam Sunaam.
> > >> Ghat Ghat Mein Bole Jo Sabke,
> > >> Hai Woh Atma Ram."
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Sumit Bansal.
> > >>
> > >> --- In astrostudents@
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > date:18-6-2009
> > >> >
> > >> > hello kulbir ji,
> > >> >
> > >> > first of
> > >> > all let me thank u for discussing such a vital point in astrology or
> > >> > everybody life that why and for what we are doing any job as quoted by
> > >> > u that why we are using or doing astrology.this is a very crucial point
> > >> > and i will try to contribute from myside what ever i know openly and
> > >> > would like everybody to share their views on this topic because this is
> > >> > directly related to our spiritual enlightenment and getting in touch
> > >> > with god.this topic is never ending and i request all members to keep
> > >> > on writing their true experiences and findings regarding spiritual and
> > >> > worldly astrology and try to differentiate between the two.
> > >> >
> > >> > as kulbir ji has quoted from osho's book the words
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > jyotish
> > >> >
> > >> > sampooranta
> > >> >
> > >> > ekta
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > advait
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > all these words are self explanatry
> > >> > but if we start explaining them then we will become short of words but
> > >> > i would say that if we compile all these in one word we can say these
> > >> > are the qualities of one and only one supreme and that is the ULTIMATE
> > >> > GOD.
> > >> >
> > >> > ACTUALLY WE ARE THE JEEVATMAS AND
> > >> > ARE PART OF THE SUPREME LORD AND DUE TO VARIOUS JANAMAS AND BIRTHS LOT
> > >> > OF MISCONCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN ENGRAVED IN OUR MINDS AND BECAUSE OF OUR
> > >> > SANCHIT KARMAS AND DUE TO PRARABDH WE ARE GETTING BIRTHS AGAIN AND
> > >> > AGAIN AND GETTING DETACHED FROM THE SUPREME DAY BY DAY TO FULFIL OUR
> > >> > WORLDLY DEEDS,WHICH ULTIMATELY LAND US NOWHERE ELSE THAN REBIRTH TO
> > >> > FULFIL OUR DESIRES AND WE GET USED TO THE RE BIRTH CYCLE AND CARRY ON
> > >> > AND FORGET OUR TRUE HOME THAT IS NONE OTHER THAN THE SUPREME FATHER
> > >> > GOD.BUT
> > >> >
> > >> > REMEBER ONE THING
> > >> >
> > >> > HE WHO GIVES ,GIVES,GIVES,
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > AND
> > >> >
> > >> > WHO GETS, GETS, GETS, GETS........
> > >> > BEING
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > THIS IS THE NATURE OF GOD
> > >> >
> > >> > BUT THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF HIS
> > >> > FORGIVING NATURE BY DEFAULT THE SUPREME HAS PROGRAMMED EACH AND EVERY
> > >> > HUMAN MIND TO THINK OF ITSELF FOR THE ACTUAL TRUTH THAT WHY HE IS ON
> > >> > THIS EARTH?WHY HE IS BORN,WHAT HE HAS TO DO,IS HE HERE FOR MAKING MONEY
> > >> > OR IS HE HERE TO ENJOY WOMEN OR IS HE HERE TO FOOL OTHERS OR IS HE HERE
> > >> > TO MAKE PROPERTY?
> > >> > AND MANY MANY OTHER QUESTIONS, EVERY HUMAN THINKS IN HIS MIND SOME DAY
> > >> > SOME TIME .
> > >> >
> > >> > THOSE R LUCKY WHO THINK AT EARLY
> > >> > STAGE OF LIFE AND MANY THINK AT LATER AGE BUT ALL OF THEM TRY TO
> > >> > UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL THING AND SOME R ABLE TO GET ANSWERS BUT THEY
> > >> > DONT HAVE THE TIME TO USE IT PRACTICALLY BECAUSE LIFE IS TOO SHORT.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > SO JYOTISH MEANS ISHVARIYA JYOTI AND EVERYBODY IS HAVING A
> > >> > PART OF IT BUT HOW MANY HAVE REALISED IT?
> > >> >
> > >> > SAMPOORANTA MEANS WHO HAS MASTERD THE ALL
> > >> >
> > >> > EKTA MEANS ONENESS
> > >> >
> > >> > ADWAIT AGAIN THE
> > >> > PERSON WHO HAS RAISED ABOVE FROM THE DVAIT BHAV THAT MEANS HE HAS NO
> > >> > DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
> > >> > T
> > >> > - HE TWO. MEANS JO DO SE EK ROOP HO JAYE .
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > AS I SAID IT IS JUST A START I DONT
> > >> > KNOW WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ,BUT THIS IS THE TOPIC WHICH IS ATTACHED WITH
> > >> > EVERY BODY LIFE SO KEEP ON DISCUSSING IT .PRADEEP SHARMA JI WAS TELLING
> > >> > ME MOST OF THE TIMES THAT I SHOULD START SUCH A TOPIC BUT I WAS WAITING
> > >> > REALLY FOR THE DAY, THAT THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN SOME ONE WILL COME
> > >> > OUT OF SO MANY LEARNED PEOPLE AND WILL ASK FOR THE TRUE MEANING OF
> > >> > ASTROLOGY.YET I HAVE NOT WRITTEN MUCH BUT I WILL LOVE TO WRITE MORE
> > >> > BECAUSE THIS IS THE QUESTION RELATED TO OUR TRUE SELF AND IT IS MY
> > >> > FOREMOST DUTY TO ANSWER AND WILL TRY TO TELL WHAT I EXPERIENCED AND
> > >> > WILL LEARN FROM ALL MY SENIORS AND COLLEAGUES WHO R REALLY DESPERATELY
> > >> > AND SINCERELY FINDING LOTS AND LOTS OF THINGS BY MEANS OF ASTROLOGY TO
> > >> > GIVE BENEFITS TO THE SOCIETY
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > THERE IS A GURUBANI QUOTE BHAYI PRAPAT MANUKH DEOHRIA GOBIND
> > >> > MILAN KI EHO TERI BARIYA
> > >> > AVAR KAAJ TERE
> > >> > KITE NAA KAAM MIL SAADH SANGAT BHAJ KEVAL NAAM
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > MEANS: FOR WHAT U HAVE GOT BIRTH ON
> > >> > THIS UNIVERSE? U HAVE GOT THIS HUMAN BODY TO MEET THE SUPREME THE
> > >> > ULTIMATE AND THAT TOO U CAN DO WITHIN THIS HUMAN BIRTH ONLY,YOUR ALL
> > >> > OTHER DEEDS WONT GIVE U ANYTHING AT ALL,ONLY AND ONLY RECITATION OF THE
> > >> > ULTIMATE AND GETTING UNITED WITH IT IS YOUR GOAL.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > in the last i would say, by the help
> > >> > of astrology everybody should try to find the sins or the sanchit
> > >> > karmas by means of planets and try to get rid of their influences by
> > >> > jap daan homas and sewa and many other means but should do these things
> > >> > sincerely and with a fear in mind that i have to get out of this cycle
> > >> > or any bad habit which i am having because of the planets bad
> > >> > influence, because of sanchit karmas.so we r here to get lessons from
> > >> > our previous births and lead a new life in this birth with the help of
> > >> > astrology by trying to rectifying our bad vices and lusts for life and
> > >> > try to become detached from worldly deeds.sorry everybody if i had
> > >> > written anything wrong and ever hurt any body sentiments.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards
> > >> >
> > >> > MS KONDAL
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ____________
> > >> > From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@
> > >> > To: astrostudents@
> > >> > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53:08 AM
> > >> > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Ashok ji; why study astrology?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Respected Ashok ji; since the day u asked " why am i interested in
> > >> > study of astrology" i was looking for an answer. I read Osho's article
> > >> > on astrology he writes " JYOTISH SAMPOORANTA, EAKTA AUR ADVAIT KA
> > >> > VIGYAN HAI". Regards. Kulbir.
> > >> >
> > >> > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> > > Kulbir Ji,
> > >> > > Thanks a lots.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Best of regards
> > >> > > Ashok Singh
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
> > >> > > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW MUCH ?? )
> > >> > > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> > >> > > Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:36 AM
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Ashok ji, page 155-157 of 1952 part 3 uploaded by Nirmal ji ....
> > >> > > SEHAT, BIMARI, NAFA, NUKSAAN, FATEH, SHIKASAT (these words include all
> > >> > > of ur querries) har do pehlu ke liye yahi asool honge. This line is
> > >> > > 2nd line under subhead BIMAARI on page 155 as ref. above. But my
> > >> > > friend this is not all inclusive. e.g. Bimari of aathraa is explained
> > >> > > in farmaan no. 161 1939 volume. Go in for short cuts only in desperate
> > >> > > situation. For study and research follow guidelines given by pt. Ji in
> > >> > > SARSARI NOTE Regards. Kulbir.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> > >> Kulbir Ji,
> > >> > >> Thanks for the reply. If you can write me where in lal kitab written
> > >> > >> how
> > >> > >> to
> > >> > >> evaluate
> > >> > >> the native range of success, that would be great.
> > >> > >> I am very much interested in the intensity(scale) of health, success
> > >> > >> or
> > >> > >> failure.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Best regards
> > >> > >> Ashok Singh
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
> > >> > >> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW MUCH ?? )
> > >> > >> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> > >> > >> Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 12:03 PM
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Ashok ji, what u are saying is represented loosely by the term
> > >> > >> oxymoron. Secondly health and success may be related somehow. But
> > >> > >> illness is no deterent to success. Then success in which field? It
> > >> > >> has
> > >> > >> to be specific. Lastly the dictum that all houses and planets have to
> > >> > >> be considered before reaching a conclusion. This type of isolated
> > >> > >> study is against the basic rules of lalkitab. Regards. Kulbir.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> On 6/12/09, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> > >>> Dear Members,
> > >> > >>> In a horoscope priciple to see health,sucess/ failure is the same.
> > >> > >>> Can we find range of sucess as in Lal kitab written HNo. 10 shows
> > >> > >>> the intensity of illiness does it applicable for sucess also.
> > >> > >>> It would be really appreciated.
> > >> > >>> My real goal is to find HOW MUCH i.e. what would be the range of
> > >> > >>> sucess.
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> Thanks
> > >> > >>> Ashok
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> --
> > >> > >> Sent from my mobile device
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> > --
> > Sent from my mobile device
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