Respected Sreenadh ji and members,
Excellent works ! No doubt in it 
.
//
1) 1st-7th-8th -11th houses should be analyzed together. Because, planets in 1st house is the ruler (king), 7th house the minister, 8th house the people who are the eyes of the minister, and 11th house (the people who are) rulers foot (worshipers).
//
Just an addition to above point as per LK perspective.it says that :
A) Planets in 1-7 are king and minister, so to check the planet which is assigned as minister, is fit enough to obey the king, as per the given condition in the book.
Suppose if Venus is in 7H and sun + moon in 1H than the condition of wife's health may deplete thus bring difficulty to native.
B) Planets in 1-8 H : Here this relation indicate logical - illogical intelligence and Dharmic - Adharmic attitude. Hence if both are enemies native is bound to be misguided
and thus his decision will be full of flaws, resulted into miss-happening in his life.
Here we can check which articles, relations, (ashiya) of planets is producing the problems.
C) Planets in 1-11 H : 11H is foot means direction, if both planets are enemies than native will be directionless and aimless.
Just think what are the physiological condition that makes native aimless, (suppose if we read only palm how we will know, as palm indicate abstract values).
Significance (Karaktattwa) role of planets plays the major role while analyzing any number of Bhava together, for the particular purpose.
From above we can infer that if 1-7-8-11 H , all planets are in harmonious, person is bound to rise with peaceful disposition and intelligence.
In this way we can understand other combination, like Khanna 9-2-4 ( Dhan yoga type combination.)
I hope i am able to convey my message.
Regards,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur.
--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, Sreenadh OG <sreesog@...> wrote:
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> --- On Fri, 12/31/10, sreesog sreesog@... wrote:
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> From: sreesog sreesog@...
> Subject: [AIA] Re: Lalkitab Review - 4
> To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 11:53 PM
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> Dear All,
> Â Let me add one more mail to this Lalkitab review sequence.Â
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> Point -1 (a)
>
> Before moving
> into discussing planetary aspect etc I should mention some other basic concepts
> that are much relevant to LK system I think. I mean - AIA concept of Sun being
> king, Moon being Queen, Mars the commander, Mercury the Prince etc and a
> similar concepts in LK.
>
> Almost every
> indian knowledge branch while presenting the subject will have some mysterious
> story to tell which we wish or not becomes part of the foundation of that
> knowledge branch. Examples could be â€"
>
> 1)Â Â Â Â Â The story of the Demon falling from sky and
> the 108 devas finding place in his body in Vastu
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> 2)Â Â Â Â Â The concept of Kalapurusha and the above
> told story of Sun being king, Moon being queen etc in AIA
>
> 3)Â Â Â Â Â The stories of Dhandwantari and Aswini
> Kumaras in Ayurveda
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>
> Even ascribing
> the karakatwa of soul to Sun, Mind to Moon, Courage to Mars etc can be
> considered as part of such foundation stories.
>
> LK too has its
> own set of such foundation stories, most of which are in tune with the AIA
> approach as well. Let me list some of these foundation stories supported by
> rich imagery.
>
> 1)Â Â Â Â Â 1st-7th-8th
> -11th houses should be analyzed together. Because, planets in 1st
> house is the ruler (king), 7th house the minister, 8th house
> the people who are the eyes of the minister, and 11th house (the
> people who are) rulers foot (worshipers).
>
> Of
> course from AIA perspective also this is easy to understand since 1st
> house is the self, 7th house the partner, 6th and 8th
> the eyes of the partner (6th being the inside advice and 8th
> being the outside advice; 6th being the left eye and 8th being
> the right eye; 6th being the friends the self knows and 8th
> being the friends self usually don't know but closer to the partner), 11th
> house indicating the messenger, and naturally indicating the foot worshipers of
> the native since 11th house is the legs, and of ofcourse indicating public
> that spreads too much news since 7th to 12th houses are in
> visible half and 11th being indicative of ear.
>
> 2)Â Â Â Â Â 2nd -9th -4th
> houses should be analyzed together. Because, the monsoon that arises in the
> 9th house takes the laden clouds of fortune to the 2nd
> house where they rain down. Resultantly the crops grow in the 4th house.
>
>
> Ofcourse
> from AIA perspective also this is easy to understand, since 9th house
> is the father and teacher, 2nd house is the home where father and
> mother live together, and 4th house is the mother as well as the house
> and the properly around the house where the native grows especially during his
> childhood and teenage. If 9th (father) is not good, the home cannot
> be, and so would be the property and happiness (indicated by 4th house).
>
> LK lists out some
> other houses too that should be analyses together, either because all of them
> has some common subject connection as mentioned in the above two examples, or because
> of possibility of mutual aspect (such as 3rd and 9th; 2nd
> and 8th; 11th and 5th etc) or due to some
> other connections such as the trine connection etc. Let us remember that as per
> LK the planets placed in trine to each other are called `planets of
> foundation' or `mutually helping houses' â€" and some puts it as `they
> aspect each other/support each other' etc.
>
> There are several
> other AIA like concepts as well popular in LK, such as giving extra importance
> to 2nd house from every house. It is a well known principle in AIA
> that 2nd house from every house enriches that house. Talking on
> similar lines LK states that- "The planet that is posited in 2nd house
> becomes the planet of fortune or luck' (especially if there is a planet is the
> 10th house)". Note the special importance given to 2nd
> house in the above statement and also that the 10th house is, 9th
> house from 2nd house. The underlying principles in such statements
> could be - 1st house becomes lucky due to the planets in 9th
> house, 2nd house enriches 1st house, planets in 9th
> house from 2nd  â€" i.e. in 10th
> enriches 2nd house, ultimately worshiping great fortune on the 1st
> house â€" i.e. the native.
>
> In all such
> scenarios we notice that the underlying system is AIA itself, but what LK does
> is the expert adaptation of the same, an excellent shortcut, which often hides even
> the underlying core concepts.
>
> Love and regards,
> Sreenadh
>
>
> --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "sreesog" sreesog@ wrote:
>
> Re: Lalkitab Review - 3
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>
> Dear All, Â In the previous mail I said - "Lalkitab
> system is nothing but an expert shortcut system to AIA". Let me
> explain why I think so considering the listed points one by one.
> Point -1
> //1)Â Â Â Â Â
> The prime concept to know is that â€" in lalkitab system houses and signs
> are counted from lagna. i.e. Lagna is treated as Aries, 2nd house as
> Taurus, 3rd house as Gemini and so on, where ever the lagna be. //
> Â In AIA while looking for a result we consider both
> Kalapurusha kundali and Natal Kundali - the results is verified by looking from
> Aries as well as lagna. For example to know whether there is any problem to the
> body at the time of birth, we check the signs starting from Aries considering
> Aries as head, Taurus as face and so on (The base quotes using being
> "Kalangani varangam anana muro....." from Brihat Jataka and
> "Kala narasyavayaval purushanam kalpayel presavakale..." from saravali).
> And also we check the houses starting from Lagna considering Lagna as head, 2nd
> house as face and so on. (The base quote being "Murtha Asya gala
> skandha...." found in Jaka Adesa Marga and many other texts). This
> technique of checking the horoscopes starting from Aries as well as Lagna is
> used extensively in AIA in almost every situation. Thus in truth the
> Aries signify lagna and Lagna signify Aries.
> Â Therefore LK system combines these two things into
> one saying that - the signs should be counted from Lagna. Thus Lagna is
> considered similar to Aries, 2nd house similar to Taurus, 3rd house similar to
> Gemini and so on. And this is how the signs gets dropped in LK, but still being
> used in another way! I would say that it is an excellent shortcut approach,
> worth studying. (LK at any time does not seems to have given much
> importance to Nakshatras, so that is not considered here)
> Â But this approach now brings in several difficulties
> and suitabilities which the AIA followers may or may not agree with. Let me
> list some of them below â€"
> Â //Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
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> i.     Lagna
> would always be treated as the exaltation sign of Su, 2nd house as
> that of Moon, 7th as the exaltation house of Saturn, 4th
> house of Jupiter, 6th house of Mercury and so on. In short
> exaltation-debilitation etc are all relative to houses and not signs. (Signs
> are only less important in LK). This introduces some corollaries -
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
> ii.     Since
> Lagna means Aries (where ever the lagna be), Lagna is the exaltation sign of
> Sun, own house of Mars, debilitation house of Saturn etc.
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
> iii.     As
> evident from the above example the `Kalapurusha chart' concept similar to AIA
> is accepted, but as indicated earlier the head of the kalapurusha (and native)
> starts with the lagna with its feet in the 12th house. //
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>
>
>   This brings in interesting situations like the following â€"
> Â Â 1) If Sun and Mars are placed in Lagna it is
> considered beneficial in LK since then Sun would be placed in its exaltation
> house, and Mars in its own house, if not they are malefic. (As told earlier
> there is no concept of natural malefic in LK, but instead two types of rules
> are given based on which we need to find whether a planet or combination is
> malefic or benefic - I will speak on this later). But as you know if not the
> Lagna is Aries this would be treated as a bad combination in AIA. Similarly
> Saturn in 7th is considered beneficial (if not malefic) since 7th
> is considered as the exaltation sign of Saturn. But as you know if not Lagna is
> Aries, this would be treated as bad combination in AIA.
> I think this would a good point to introduce the concept of
> own house, exaltation, debilitation, planet of luck, planet of planet result,
> and planet of sign result related to every house as per LK and to provide a
> comparison of that against AIA perspective. As per LK -
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> House No
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> Own house (Kalapurusha Chart)
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> Exalted Planet
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> Bhava Karaka (Pakka Khar)
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> Planet of Luck
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> Notes
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> 1
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> Ma
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> Su
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> Su
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> Ma
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> 2
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> Ve
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> Mo
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> Ju
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> Mo
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> 3
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> Me
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> Ra
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> Ma
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> Me
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> Rahu is ascribed TWO exalted houses (3rd and
> 6th) as per LK
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> 4
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> Mo
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> Ju
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> Mo
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> Mo
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> AIA considers Me also as significators for 4th
> house but LK don't
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> 5
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> Su
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> Ju
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> Su
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> 6
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> Me, Ke
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> Me, Ra
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> Ke
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> Ra
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> AIA considers Sa and Ma as significators for
> 6th house while LK considers Ke.
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> 7
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> Ve
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> Sa
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> Ve, Me
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> Ve
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> AIA considers only Ve as significators for 7th
> house, while LK considers both Ve and Me
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> 8
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> Ma
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> -
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> Ma, Sa
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> Mo
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> AIA considers only Sa as significators for 8th
> house, while LK considers both Sa and Ma.
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> 9
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> Ju
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> Ke
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> Ju
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> Ju
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> AIA considers Ju, Su and Me as significators
> for 9th house, while LK considers only Ju
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> 10
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> Sa
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> Ma
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> Sa
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> Sa
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> AIA considers Ju, Su, Me and Sa as the
> significators for 10th house, while LK considers only Sa
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> 11
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> 12
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> Ju, Ra
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> Ve, Ke
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> Ra
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> Ke
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> AIA considers Sa as the significator for 12th
> house, while LK considers only Ra
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> Note: Usually the `planet of luck' is a
> planet which has either the lordship or exaltation in that house. But it
> is interesting to note that for 8th house, Moon which is actually debilitated
> in the 8th house of kalapurusha chart is considered as the planet of luck!
> Similarly for 11th house instead of considering Saturn which has the lordship
> of 11th house, Jupiter which is only a bhava karak for 11th house is treated as
> planet of luck! I wonder why is it so… Also note that Rahu and Ketu is also
> given own house, exaltation, debilitation etc in LK system..
> Going back to
> the concept of Own house, exaltation, planet of luck etc even though it is well
> evident that the above LK concept is a short cut system to AIA, the points
> similar to the following can be debated â€"
> 1)Â Â Â Â Â
> Considering
> Moon in 8th as good (especially for longevity), where as per AIA
> Moon in 8th is supposed to give big health problems.
> 2)Â Â Â Â Â
> Sun and
> Mars in Lagna being considered as beneficial in LK, where as per AIA it is bad.
> 3)Â Â Â Â Â
> Mercury
> and Ketu in 6th  - good as per
> LK and bad as per AIA
> 4)Â Â Â Â Â
> Mars and
> Moon in 8th â€" good as per LK and bad as per AIA
> 5)Â Â Â Â Â
> Jupiter
> and Rahu in 12th â€" good as per LK and bad as per AIA
> Other proofs
> for the facts that "LK is an expert shortcut system to AIA" I will
> discuss in the coming mails.
> Love and
> regards,
> Sreenadh
> n_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "sreesog" sreesog@ wrote:
>
> Re: Lalkitab Review - 2
>
> Dear All,
> To review a system first one
> should know the system. In this mail, I
> will try to introduce you to some of the important rules and concepts present
> in LK.
> 1)Â Â Â Â Â
> The prime concept to know is that â€" in lalkitab system
> houses and signs are counted from lagna. i.e. Lagna is treated as Aries, 2nd
> house as Taurus, 3rd house as Gemini and so on, where ever the lagna
> be. This has got several side effects as follows -
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
> i.    Â
> Lagna would
> always be treated as the exaltation sign of Su, 2nd house as that of
> Moon, 7th as the exaltation house of Saturn, 4th house of Jupiter, 6th house of
> Mercury and so on. In short exaltation-debilitation etc are all relative to
> houses and not signs. (Signs are only less important in LK). This introduces
> some corollaries -
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> ii.    Â
> Since Lagna means Aries (where ever the lagna be),
> Lagna is the exaltation sign of Sun, own house of Mars, debilitation house of
> Saturn etc.
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> iii.    Â
> As evident from the above example the `Kalapurusha
> chart' concept similar to AIA is accepted, but as indicated earlier the head of
> the kalapurusha (and native) starts with the lagna with its feet in the 12th
> house.
> 2)Â Â Â Â Â
> Planetary Aspect (Drishti) â€" Planetary aspect is the
> same as in AIA. But there is a clause. `Aspect will be felt only if aspected
> house is occupied by another planet'. For example if Sun is placed in 10th
> house from Saturn then it can be said that Sun is aspected by Saturn. But if 10th
> house is vacant, then it cannot be said that Saturn is aspecting 10th
> house.
> 3)Â Â Â Â Â
> Some say that, as per Lalkitab planets change significance
> when they change house. For example Moon in 4th indicate mother, in
> 6th indicate maternal grand mother, in 8th indicate elder
> aunt, in 10th younger aunt etc. But may be instead of assuming that
> planet is changing significance as they change house, we can explain it better
> if we assume that the house signify such relatives and the results are getting
> visible through the planets situated there.
> 4)Â Â Â Â Â
> The concept of Dridha and Adhridha results is present
> in lalkitab system as well. As accepted in AIA Dridha results cannot be
> modified or changed with remedies but Adridha results can. But there is something special in deciding
> which are dridha and which are adridha results. Let me explain it a bit. As per
> LK every house is assigned one or more planets which indicate `planet of sign
> results' (rasiphal ka grah) and `planet of planet results' (grahaphal ka grah).
> It is said that `Planet of planet results' indicate dridha results and `planet
> of sign results' indicate adridha results.Â
> The remedies are said to work only for adridha results, i.e. results
> indicated by `planet of sign results'. Or in other words â€" "those planets
> which are considered as of `grah phal' are of dridha results and no upaya can
> be done for those planets. Those planets which are considered of `rasi phal' in
> a house are of adhridha results and an upaya can be done for them". (The
> list of `planet of sign results' and `planet of planet results' related to
> every house would be given later)Â
> 5)Â Â Â Â Â
> Friends and Enemy Planets: The concept and table is almost
> similar to AIA. But even if natural enemy, planets in the same house are
> treated as friends. It is similar to the `temporary friendship' concept of AIA.
> 6)Â Â Â Â Â
> Beneficial and Maleficial planets:Â LK does not consider any planet as inherently
> benefic or malefic. It says that every planet is capable of giving benefic or
> malefic results. (We should accept that this approach is logically correct and
> excellent) But this is introduces a new difficulty and complexity, and thus one
> of the most difficult areas in LK to master. Because there are numerous such
> rules are there which determine whether a planet is benefic or malefic in the
> given chart. "Such rules are too many. For each planet there are different
> rules, depending on which house the planet is and which other planets influence
> it. These rules are both for benefic and malefic results of that planet." So
> what makes a planet benefic or malefic as per LK? The answer would be â€" "The
> planetary placement and interrelationships of the planets. And most
> importantly, the jatak's way of life, habits, moral, attitude towards religion,
> relationships with other family members etc. e.g if some one insults his
> father, teacher or a purohit his jupiter will act as malefic even if it may be
> placed in the 4th house [exalted] and so on." (Yes, certainly this is an
> area to which we should come back and discuss in detail later)
> 7)Â Â Â Â Â
> LK has its own Dasa system which is somewhat similar to
> the Yogini dasa system.
> 8)Â Â Â Â Â
> LK has its own Year result (Varshaphal; based on
> transit/progression) system. (This point we will discuss in detail later)
> 9)Â Â Â Â Â
> Graha karakatva: Similar to AIA, Lalkitab system also
> assign and associate significance (karakatva) with all planets. But there are some
> minor differences.
> 10)Â Â Bhava karakatva: Similar to AIA, Lalkitab
> system also assign and associate significance (karakatva) with all houses. But
> there are some minor differences.
> 11)Â Instead
> of the word `Bhava karak' (significator of house), LK uses the word `Pakka
> khar' (permanent house of planet). LK also introduces the new concept of associating
> one or more `planet of luck' (kismet jaganewala grah), `planet of sign results'
> (rasiphal ka grah), `planet of planet results' (grahaphal ka grah) with every
> house.
> 12)Â Now
> there is a list of unique concepts such as â€" blind charts, half blind charts,
> virtuous planets (and charts), companion planets, competitive planets,
> established planet, warring planets of foundation, and dormant planet (and
> house). Let me explain all of these briefly
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
> i.    Â
> Blind planet: when one or more unfriendly planets are
> placed in the 10th house, it is called a horoscope of blind planets
> (Example: Sun in 10th)
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
> ii.    Â
> Half blind: A chart with Sun in 4th house
> and Saturn in 7th house is called a half blind chart.
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
> iii.    Â
> Virtuous planet: Any planet giving good results, even
> it be a malefic planet. (Eg: Ketu in 4th, any planet with Moon,
> Saturn in 11th etc). A chart with virtuous planet can be said as
> virtuous chart. It is somewhat similar to the Subha jataka or Suddha Jataka
> concept of AIA.
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
> iv.    Â
> Companion planets: Planets which exchange house â€"
> mutual exchange. Such planets are treated as friends.
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
> v.    Â
> Competitive planets: If one of two friendly planets is
> conjoined by an enemy planet, then it will spoil the friendship of the friendly
> planets and make them competitive, almost equal to enmity. (Eg. Venus in 7th
> and Mercury in 6th are friendly. If Sun get placed in 7th
> and thus spoils  Venus then this
> friendship will become competition, and so Me and Ve would be considered
> competitive planets in the above scenario)
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
> vi.    Â
> Established planet: A planet devoid of any time of
> malefic effect. For example a planet placed in its own sign unaspected by any
> other planet can is an established planet. Will give good results.
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
> vii.    Â
> Warring planets: Planets which are placed in 6-8 axis
> from each other. The planet in 6th put its ill effects on the
> planets in 8th from it (and not vice versa).
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
> viii.    Â
> The planets of foundation (mutually helping planets):
> Planets which are in 1-5-9 axis to each other.
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
> ix.    Â
> Dormant planets and house: If a planet does not aspect
> any other planet then it is called a dormant planet, and if a house is
> unaspected by any other planet (to receive the aspect as per LK a planet should
> be present in that house) then that house is called a dormant house.Â
> Â
> Based on the analysis of the above factors we can say that
> Lalkitab system is nothing but an expert shortcut system to AIA. How and Why?
> That I will explain in the next mail considering each and every of the above
> concepts in detail. Â
> Love and regads,
> Sreenadh
>
> --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "sreesog" sreesog@ wrote:
> Dear All,
> Â Â To review any system
> first one should understand that system. A woman takes 10 months to
> deliver a baby. So to learn and review this system I should spend at least 10
> day - because I am starting from a blank slate; i.e. I knew almost nothing about
> this system.Â
>
> Â It might be bit surprising, but it is usually easy to approach a system
> and learn more in less time, if you are NOT a student of that system. A student
> progresses linearly through the path guided by the teacher, but the
> seeker/searcher/researcher takes jumps! Rather than trying to understand the
> system sequentially, he tries to find answers to the doubts that arise in him
> as and when he encounters new concepts; he is more guided by his inner quest
> and logic in the path he takes - than by the book and tradition. My state
> when I tried to approach this system was also the same. Some questions I got,
> some answers too; some gaps I found, many merits too. Some doubts got cleared
> some still hang in mid air.
>
> Â Lalkitab systems (here after LK) is different from most of the other off
> shoots of Oriental astrology due to many reasons. Some of the readily
> visible factors about this system to the public are that -
> Â * Unlike the Sanskrit based
> other astro systems, Lalkitab is written in Urudu.
>
> Â * LK gives much importance to Remedies some of which at times seems
> illogical. It strongly argues that you can cure the ill effects caused by
> planets by doing x and y things.
>
> Â * An aura of mystery is present around lalkitab not only because of its
> name which means "Red Book", but also because of numerous other
> factors such as â€"
> Â Â Â --- it is in
> Urudu which most of the hindi speakers are not much familiar with (the first
> hindi version of LK appeared only in 1952).
> Â Â --- printed
> versions of this text was not available (hand written copies and photocopies of
> this book was getting circulated)
> Â Â Â --- there was
> not one but many versions of the book getting circulated with the name
> lalkitab. (Pt. Rup chand Joshi published 5 books on lalkitab such as in 1939,
> 1940, 1941,1942 and finally in 1952; and in 1952 the hindi version of lalkitab
> came out with the name "Aruna samhita"; and numerous others wrote
> lalkitab related books with the very name 'lalkitab' itself. No wonder it
> caused much confusion)
> Â Â ---Â it does
> not follow the systematic approach found in other traditional astrological
> books but instead presents things as if some revelation
> Â Â Â --- in none of
> the lalkitab versions the author was not mentioned (The 1939 version of the
> book mentioned the printer cum publishers name as "Giridhari lal
> Sharma" which many took as the name of the author then. Later only it came
> to light that Pt. Rup chandi Joshi is the real author of the book)
> Â Â --- Unlike other
> astro-systems it spoke a unique terminology and language and mentioned a remedy
> for almost everything.
> Â Â
> --- Even thought the text is in Urudu, LK mentions and speaks about the
> Hindu godes and not about gods of other cultures.
> Â
> Â Â No wonder that
> people felt it bit mysterious.
> Â Stories began to circulate
> about Lalkitab such as â€"
> Â -- it is Arabic astrology
> [since it is in Urudu]
> Â -- it is a book written by
> Aruna the coach driver of God Sun [based on the name given to 1952 hindi
> version of lal kitab as "Aruna samhita" which was nothing but an
> effort to do literal transilation of the word 'lal kitab' in to Sanskrit, where
> Aruna means 'lal' (red) and Samhita was used to refer to 'kitab' (book)] The
> story improved to say that, Ravana took away the book to Lanka, the book then
> reached Arebia and was translated into Arabic and Persian languages. And then
> into Urudu and thus came into existence 'lalkitab' alias 'aruna samhita' that is
> known to as today.
>
>
> Everything has a limit and every mystery should end once. The same was
> the case with such mysteries and stories as well. In modern times, in the
> seventies and after more and more people started learning LK system and good
> book about the same started to come out. Possibly one of the best among them is
> the book "Lal Kitab Astrology - Background and Exposition" by Pd.
> Krishan Ashant. But please note that the good authors on LK system is not
> limited to Krishan Ashant alone but many others too are there.
>
>
>  The researches by such scholars brought out many facts such as â€"
> Â * Books on LK system were
> written by Pt. Rup Chand Joshi of Pharwala, Panjab.
>
> Â * The story behind is that - a soldier from Himachal Pradesh (his name
> is unknown) working in Army as per the request of his officer presented his
> astro knowledge into some hand written books. The officer gave the copies to
> Pt.Rup Cahnd Joshi for review and study. Later when Pt.Rup Chand Joshi
> went to his native village in Pharwala he took the books along with, studied
> it, and later started publishing books on the same. He mentioned neither
> his name nor the name of the Javan who actually contributed this knowledge to
> him through that handwritten book anywhere. Surprisingly those notes also
> never got published and none really knows whether such notes existed or
> existing or not. However scholars like Krishan Ashant presents some
> witness accounts stating that some of the friends of Pt.Rup Cahnd Joshi
> actually saw those hand written notes. (Anyway it is not clear what
> amount of info comes from those notes and what amount from Pt.Rup Chand Joshi
> himself - and possibly that would never be get revealed as well, since Pt. Rup
> Chand is no more and none seems have traced any clue in this direction till
> date.)
>
> Â Â * It got clarified that LK is a unique and versatile system, an
> off shoot of Oriental astrology, as practiced in the hilly places of Himachal
> pradesh, Utteranchal and some parts of Kashmir.Â
> (Anyway apart from this argument, not much info or proofs are available in this
> direction. No existing practitioner of the system, who follows this system
> without depending on the books of Pt. Rup Cahnd Joshi ever showed up.)
>
> Â * The logic behind the remedies, the results to be told, the systematic
> approach to leaning all started coming into light.
>
>
> Â And thus gradually improved the reputation of the lalkitab system, and
> more and more people started practicing it. It is advisable to the traditional
> indian astrologers who are trying to understand this system as well to first
> keep aside the confusing jungle of remedies and try to understand the
> conceptual core. Otherwise you would confused about the primarily petty looking
> jungle of remedies, which used by the local astrologers similar to ready
> reckoner without knowing the logic behind, making not only themselves but also
> the system itself a laughing stoke for the some what knowledgeable. The blame
> should go not to the LK system itself, but to the money minded astrologers who
> are not interested in learning this system systematically but only in making
> money. Â
>
> Â Anyway, coming back to the history of astrology, thus it becomes clear
> that nothing much is known about the history of this system before AD. 1939 and
> it seems that even the mystical history of this system is struck with
> this year or a few years before which Pt. Rup Chand was in army. Thus the
> natural first quest that arises is to know at least a guess bit about the
> history and origin of this system before this period. Let us start from
> the basic info about the system. The following points should be noted â€"
> Â * LK does not speaks
> anything about which Ayanamsa to use. Astrologers use what they prefer. Now a
> days most of them are using Lahari Ayanamsa.
> Â * LK does clarify much
> about the dasa system to use, even though it propose a 35 year dasa cycle,
> similar to the 36 year cycle of Yogini dasa followed in Himachal Pradesh
> region. None knows correctly how to use this dasa system and LK does not say
> much about it. Some use it similar to Nasargika dasa (e.g. Pt.Krishan Ashant),
> and some use it similar to the Yogini or Vimsottari dass system based on the
> position of Moon in Nakshatra (e.g. Pt. Bhooshan Priya). There are many other
> methods too which many suggest, but the truth remains that none is even sure
> where (in which planet) to start the dasa sequence. (Thus it remains a
> controversial and un-clarified subject)
> Â * LK proposes a Varsha
> phala table - but none is sure about the logic behind it or even whether it is
> based on solar return, lunar return or what ever.Â
> Â Â * LK gives more
> importance to Houses than to signs, but it is not clear which house division
> system to use (equal or unequal; lagna at the beginning of the house or middle
> of the house etc). Similar to traditional indian astrology most of LK
> astrologers consider signs itself as houses, but even with my limited
> experiments this does not seem to work. Scholars like Pt. Bhooshan
> Priya considers lagna as the mid point of house and I think this is more
> logical and close to reality regarding the use of this system. LK is
> totally silent on this matter. The point is if not a proper house reckoning
> system is selected, giving too much importance to house does not make sense;
> and if sign as houses rule is accepted then in many cases the results told by
> traditional astrology would be in direct conflict with the results told by LK
> system. Considering all these Pt.Bhooshan Priya ji seems to be in right
> direction even though there are almost none who follows that style. Pt. Krishan
> Ashant too does not address this point in his book.
> Â Â * The Planetary
> sequence followed by LK is unique. Unlike other sytems, in almost in every
> situation the sequence it refers to is : Ju-Su-Mo-Ve-Ma-Me-Sa-Ra-Ke
> Â
> Â Â Â Does any of
> the above points give us any clue regarding the origin and history of this
> system? Even if they don't, I think they can. I would like to present two
> major points -
>
> Â 1) If proper house division is essential for the results told by
> Lalkitab to become correct, then it means that this system came into existence
> AFTER the period of Sripati (1019-1066) of 11th century AD, who proposed a
> house system possibly for the first time in India where sign is not equal to
> the house. (In traditional Indian Astrology before the period of Sripati, Sign
> = House, without exception).
> Â 2) The Planetary sequence
> followed by an astrological system is usually a good pointer towards its place
> of origin. For example â€"
>
>
>
> Sl
>
>
> Planetary Sequence
>
>
> Place of origin
>
>
>
>
> 1
>
>
> Su-Mo-Ju-Ve-Me-Sa-Ma
>
>
> Uruk, Babylonia,
> Parthian, Selucid
>
>
>
>
> 2
>
>
> Mo-Su-Ju-Ve-Sa-Me-Ma
>
>
> Chaldean (Neo-babylonian)
>
>
>
>
> 3
>
>
> Su-Mo-Ma-Me-Ju-Ve-Sa
>
>
> Indian
>
>
>
>
> 4
>
>
> Su-Mo-Sa-Ju-Ma-Ve-Me
>
>
> Greek
>
>
>
> And now we are stuck with this
> new sequence proposed by LK. That is â€"
> Ju-Su-Mo-Ve-Ma-Me-Sa-Ra-Ke
> Unlike the above seqences which starts
> with Sun or Moon the LK sequence starts with Jupiter! Is that a mistake? If we,
> re-arrange and put Ju at the end then too the sequence stand out as unique, not
> only because it includes Rahu and Ketu as well but also because the sequence
> does not have much of a similarity with none of the above sequences! Thus it
> seems that LK system has an identity of its own, and possibly an astronomical
> and  astrological tradition of its own
> which can be traced possibly to the ancient kingdoms in the hilly regions of himalaya
> itself or may be (it is just a wild guess) to some countries and cultures that
> existed just beyond himalaya like the Kamboja kingdom or so. As of now I am
> unable to prove anything about its place or origin based on the planetary
> sequence followed by LK, but definitely it could be a worthy clue if clubbed
> with further evidences.
>
>
> Â I am still trying to learn and understand this system. In the coming
> days I will share more of my thoughts about this system so that we can proceed
> to a comparison and conclusion regarding its compatibility with AIA.
> Enough for the day.Â
>
> Love and regards,
> Sreenadh
>
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