Dear Vijay Ji,
In Vedic or traditional Jyotish, 4th Bhava , House or Khana is known as SUKHA BHAVA. The 4th house being a quadrant, forms one of the 4 pillars of Jyotish on which the Horoscope is founded. Moon is the natural Karaka of this Bhava. This house rules vital matters related to Mother (Significator Moon),Vahan Sukh (Significator Venus),Home, building, Land (Mars,Ketu),Motherland (Venus ),Childhood, wealth from real estate, Education, especially formal education (Budh), Maternal relatives, luxury, happiness, cultural heritage, good/evils from maternal side, and also Karma inherited from Mother side ( quite a few of these matters are examined from the Divisional Charts related to the 4th house, like Chaaturthansha, Hora Chart (Not the type of placing the planets in Leo and Cancer sign but Kashinath Hora, Dwadshansh, Shodshansh,Chaturvinshansha,Khvedamsha ,Akhvedansha etc.
In Brihat Parashar Hora Shastra the 4th Bhava is called Sukhabhava and the short description is given as :- If there is Sukhesh(lord of 4th) or Lagnesh and the Bhava is aspected by Shubh Grahas, oen gets full GeSaukhya. Sukhesh in own house,own Navamsha Or in exaltation helps the Jatak to Sukha of House,Land,Vehicles,Mother,Geet and Vadya Sukhas. If the Sukesh is in Kendra or Trikona alongwith Rajyesh (lord of 10th Bhava), Jataka can get to stay in Rajmahals./Rajaprasad. Apart from the position of the Sukhesh, thus stated, if Budha is posited in Lagna, the Jataka becomes Bandhu Poojya.
The 4th Bhava creates a direct Argala(intervention) on the Lagna. Generally malefic planets like Sun,Mars, Saturn,Rahu (in the increasing order of their malefic strength or nature, can considerably damage a chart. However, these effects get altered, due to Chara Karkattva and the rashis of these planets in the 4th house.
I would like to add here that the 4th house also belongs to general public and the planets situated in the 10thouse can reflect the relationship of the Jataka with the public at large.
In general we can see, Bandhu,Matri Sukha,Budhi (Not Budhimatta or level of intelligence which is judged from 5th house), Sukha, Shanti, Friends, Entertainment, Sthavar Sampatti,problems related to lungs, Heart region,Arts and General education. Happiness in disposition, with relation to position of Moon and Venus. Mars in 4th sign of Kaal-Purusha is considered debilitated, and it can cause unfortunate happenings (like poverty, anger , family disturbance ,sour relations with parents, troubles and problems related to property and real estate business, laborer like conditions in early part of life, because Mars will have Argala on the Lagna, the traits of Mars like bellicose disposition, short–temper, hard heartedness can be seen in the Jataka. But, Mars in own sign or Taurus, reduces the negative impact on the nature of native, as the fire of Mars is quenched. The 4th bhava is also considered as place of mating, love affairs etc. Similarly other planets in the 4th house confer different shades of personality and sukhas or dukhas to the native. There are hundreds of such combinations and effects of planets on the 4th house, depending upon drishti, position in Kendras or Trikonas in the chart. The karkaa (significant) rashis are Karka, Makar and Meen. Karaka planets are Moon and Venus and BUDH in this bhava. Many renowned Jyotishis like Dr BV Raman have also called the 4th house as the Paataal, Naadir like.
In nutshell the planets in 4th house will generally impact the 10th house (house of Karma, profession, job, Work, Vyapaar etc (7th from 4th) and the vice-versa too. Both houses can motivate or de-motivate the Jataka, because of the fact that the 10th house also creates Vipreet Argala against the Primary Argala from the 4th house. I will stop here, because both you and I can go on, but this group is basically for discussion on the LK, and any reference to traditional jyotish can create lots of doubts in the followers of LK and the members of the Group. This was the only reason, I wanted to understand your reference to traditional Jyotish while analyzing the 4th Khana with reference to LK, which was confusing. With my best wishes.
Raj Bhardwaj
--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Raj ji,
>
> //So I presume that when you mentioned traditional astrology, you meant LK.//
>
> Nope, when i say traditional astrology means Parashar related astrology.
>
> If i don't mention anything than it means that all my comments are from LK in this forum.
>
> I don't mix anything but if any comparative instance comes in my mind than i clearly mentioned it.
>
> Thank you,
> Regards,
> Vijay Goel
> jaipur
>
>
>
>
> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" rajbhardwaj1949@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > No, but because you wrote- In traditional astrology Mars in 4H make an agriculturist.}.This confused the issue, I mean mixing LK and traditional astrology.The explanation now you have given is from LK. So I presume that when you mentioned traditional astrology, you meant LK. There has to be a way out,sometimes,you will appreciate.
> >
> > Raj Bhardwaj
> >
> > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Raj Bhardwaj ji,
> > > From 4th if we re-read the text we can find few indication which can
> > > turn into there profession mentioned there.
> > > 1) 'Bajaji' : Cloth merchant.2) 'Charinde' : Animal husbandry3) 'Dudh
> > > pilate' : Milk Diary and its related product.4) 'Pani ke janwar' :
> > > Fishery5) "samudra par safar " : Business related to long sea
> > > journeys.6) 'Dharti', 'chawal' : Agriculturist especially related to
> > > rice or those agricultural product which requires lots of water.7)
> > > 'Ruhani Karobar' : saints, ashram, yoga & meditation.8) 'Ghoda' : Horse
> > > related business, transportation.
> > > These are few major items....for more pl. go through the text.
> > > Why not livihood, from 4th house, any major reason you want to say ?
> > > ThankyouRegards,Vijay GoelJaipurmob +91 92502239
> > >
> > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > > >
> > > > Profession from 4th house ? Could you please elaborate ?
> > > >
> > > > Raj Bhardwaj
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "vijay.goel" goyalvj@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Saurab,
> > > > >
> > > > > Person have agricultural land or horse breeding (?) may be a
> > > profession, in modern context he could be a Taxi travel type business.
> > > > >
> > > > > Else accident .....
> > > > >
> > > > > In traditional astrology Mars in 4H make an agriculturist.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vijay
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, saurabh mishra
> > > <saurabh45_mishra@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hare Rama Hare Kirsna,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you so much for this comprehensive explanation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Could you please clarify this comment ("Else Death could be sudden
> > > and from
> > > > > > accidents (moon + mars in 10H")Â in more details?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > //8) Mars + Saturn = Masnui Rahu Uccha : Here Native will have
> > > power to win
> > > > > > combat and fights.
> > > > > > Horse breeding in his agriculture land will confer good results.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Else Death could be sudden and from accidents (moon + mars in
> > > 10H).//
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Saurabh Mishra
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: vijay.goel <goyalvj@>
> > > > > > To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Tue, 7 December, 2010 23:53:57
> > > > > > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Pakka Ghar no.4, Lal Kitab - 1942
> > > page 20. Dharmi
> > > > > > Tewa
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Â
> > > > > > Dear Saurab Misra ji,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > // Your comments :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think this combination will destroyed mental peace of person and
> > > such person
> > > > > > can see dreams even in day time due to this lot of negative
> > > thoughts come in the
> > > > > > mind and mental peace destroyed.
> > > > > > Such person can foresee future but negative things can predict
> > > more easily (I
> > > > > > think Ra forced the negativity and Mars destroy mental peace).//
> > > > > > You could be right but in traditional astrology we have to
> > > consider many other
> > > > > > factors for finer points.
> > > > > > Let see this combination under the lamp of Lal-kitab since we are
> > > dealing with
> > > > > > 4H currently.
> > > > > > Now let see Jupiter, mars, sani and rahu , four planets results in
> > > 4H:
> > > > > > 1) Jupiter is exalted, LK says it is the sea of milk, four planets
> > > moon, venus,
> > > > > > mars and jupiter will confer positive and good results.
> > > > > > 2) Mars is mangal budh as mars is debilitated.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Chandra ya shukra akela yamangal ke saath mustarka khana # 3,4,8
> > > mein ho to
> > > > > > khud unka apana asar beshaqkuchha ho aur kaisa hi ho magar mangal
> > > ko mangalik ya
> > > > > > mangal bad na hone denge."
> > > > > > If moon is good than magal budh will be greatly reduced.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So marriage related problems will be highly reduced, age of
> > > children could be
> > > > > > safe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3) Rahu here will not do mischievous, Dharmi Teva first condition
> > > is met.
> > > > > > Aalim va Akal wala to jarur hoga : Person will be skilled and
> > > intelligent. It
> > > > > > gives good education to the native but status of property and
> > > wealth will depend
> > > > > > on moon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 4) Sani is friend of moon so sani itself will be not bad for the
> > > native, ie if
> > > > > > health is bad, consuming the items of sani will help in recovery
> > > of health, ie
> > > > > > alcohol, badam, can be used as medicine.
> > > > > > This sani position is not good for Mama (mother's brother).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 5)Â Jupiter + Sani : Here second condition for Dharmi Tewa is
> > > met.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here native should follow the prime condition of maintenance of
> > > this yoga:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He should not drink alcohol to pronounce saturn negative (except
> > > in medicine
> > > > > > like homeopati, ayurvedic having alcohol content) .
> > > > > > He should not ask for charity nor his livelihood should be
> > > dependent on charity.
> > > > > > He should have great faith on God and seek only his part of honest
> > > wealth from
> > > > > > Him, never have eye on other's wealth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He should refrain from womanizer (sani in 4H, mandi halat).
> > > > > > If condition are met than only illusion (Maya) of saturn will
> > > touch the feet of
> > > > > > Guru, the teacher, the lord of two world.
> > > > > > (LK-42, page 259)
> > > > > > Simply Native has to make Jupiter strong from his actions.
> > > > > > 6) Jupiter + Mars : Here we can safely say the age of males in the
> > > family is
> > > > > > safe and male members will increase day by day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This clearly indicate mars badh effect is turned to nil. But
> > > wealth is not
> > > > > > guaranteed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 7) Jupiter + Rahu = Masnui Budh: Here fortune will be double
> > > shaded. If native
> > > > > > has elephant (wealth) than he will be lord of only one world (like
> > > a head of
> > > > > > Matt, temple, etc) Grishati hoga. "Fokki izzat hogi" ie His
> > > saintly appearance
> > > > > > could be deceptive.
> > > > > > With rahu, jupiter will be silence ie jupiter will lose the
> > > hold of another
> > > > > > world (Gaibi Takat). The position of mercury will have the final
> > > say over this
> > > > > > yoga.
> > > > > > 8) Mars + Saturn = Masnui Rahu Uccha : Here Native will have power
> > > to win combat
> > > > > > and fights.
> > > > > > Horse breeding in his agriculture land will confer good results.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Else Death could be sudden and from accidents (moon + mars in
> > > 10H).
> > > > > > We must remember below verse also:
> > > > > > "Aath, teeje, 6 tewe manda mauth bahana chauthe ho"
> > > > > > 9) Rahu + Mars : Elephant (rahu) is under control of Mars
> > > (Mahawat), if not than
> > > > > > elephant will be mad.
> > > > > > 10) Rahu + Saturn : In 4H : native is king, saheb-e-iqbal.
> > > > > > 11) Ra+ ju+ sa : Happiness of males will be less.
> > > > > > 12) Ju + Mars + Sani : Number of males will decrease.
> > > > > > --------Conclusion :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) Financial status is dependent on moon's position and
> > > status.
> > > > > > 2) Dharmi Tewa condition is additional dependent on Mercury's
> > > position and
> > > > > > status, as jupiter is silence in front of rahu.
> > > > > > Thank you
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Vijay Goel
> > > > > > Jaipur.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, saurabh mishra
> > > <saurabh45_mishra@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would like to share my experience on (if I am correct)
> > > â€Å"Saturn + Jupiter
> > > > > > >is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Brahma yoga in traditional astrology which means that person has
> > > the ability to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > foresee past, present & future�.
> > > > > > > But what will happen if Ra and Mars join the Saturn + Jupiter
> > > (Saturn + Jupiter
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > + Ra +Mars in 4th house)?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think this combination will destroyed mental peace of person
> > > and such person
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > can see dreams even in day time due to this lot of negative
> > > thoughts come in
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > mind and mental peace destroyed.
> > > > > > > Such person can foresee future but negative things can predict
> > > more easily (I
> > > > > > > think Ra forced the negativity and Mars destroy mental peace).
> > > > > > > What you think?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Saurabh Mishra
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > From: vijay.goel goyalvj@
> > > > > > > To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 6 December, 2010 19:13:10
> > > > > > > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Pakka Ghar no.4, Lal Kitab - 1942
> > > page 20. Dharmi
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tewa
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ÂÂ
> > > > > > > Respected Finn ji,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > " This story, if true, is a perfect example of Dharmi Tewa,
> > > don't you think?"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dharmi Tewa don't indicate enlighten souls, nor a
> > > parameter to says that
> > > > > > >these
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > combination make sure to get enlightenment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The main theme is very simple in LK:
> > > > > > > 1) Moon represent heart and emotion and Ra\Ke signifiesÂÂ
> > > excited or depress
> > > > > > > state of emotions.
> > > > > > > So moon + ra\ke makes the person, who can easily
> > > able to control emotion as
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > per their wish, if they practice for it.
> > > > > > > For eg. in a good psychologist charts you can find this yoga
> > > easily. But
> > > > > > > negatively these combination creates fear and phobias.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2) Saturn works as an executor of law of Karma, Jupiter
> > > signifies truth. If
> > > > > > > saturn has relationship with jupiter, person attains very good
> > > discriminating
> > > > > > > power under natural law of justice.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Saturn + Jupiter is Brahma yoga in traditional astrology which
> > > means that
> > > > > > >person
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > has the ability to forsee past, present & future.
> > > > > > > In many successful person this i have seen this yoga because
> > > they put proper
> > > > > > > justice to the work they undertake (especially if it is in 10H).
> > > If we focus
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > house and other combination we can know where this Brahma yoga
> > > is working.
> > > > > > > Negatively this yoga creates power seekers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If both these condition are met in the horoscope, there is a
> > > chance that person
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > can attain spiritual enlightenment naturally with less efforts,
> > > which is the
> > > > > > > main purpose of birth. Person is inherently fit in the
> > > qualification required
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > as per Patanjali Sutras.
> > > > > > > Even if person is honest and truthful towards its actions, he is
> > > sure to rise
> > > > > > >at
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > soul level.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----
> > > > > > > Horoscope of Sh. Raman Maharashi has controversy over the lagna,
> > > Some go forÂÂ
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kanya lagna and some say it is Tula lagna. The chart you have
> > > produced is from
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tula Lagna.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----
> > > > > > > Thankyou,
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Vijay Goel
> > > > > > > Jaipur.
> > > > > > > Mob : +91 9214502239.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ÂÂ
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Finn Wandahl"
> > > finn.wandahl@ wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dear Nirmal Ji,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, and in spite of Dharmi Tewa, Mercury in H.No.2 (destroys
> > > father) and
> > > > > > > >Saturn in H.No.6 (destroys Jupiter) was still operational
> > > causing early death
> > > > > > >of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >father in his 13th year. But the Maharishi himself was safe due
> > > to Dharmi
> > > > > > >Tewa.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Then there is a story that when Ramana Maharishi was young he
> > > was sitting
> > > > > > > >meditating in a cave when a wild tiger came, but it didn't bite
> > > him or harm
> > > > > > >him
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >in any way and he was quite safe. This story, if true, is a
> > > perfect example of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Dharmi Tewa, don't you think?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > Finn
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Nirmal Kumar" nirbhar@
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Respected Finn,
> > > > > > > > > I agree with your view point. This term is used widely by
> > > all lalkitab
> > > > > > > >astrologers. I have another opinion about this term. In my
> > > view, in Dharmi
> > > > > > >Teva,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >the behavior of planets remains the same as it would be in a
> > > normal horoscope.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The only difference may be there with regards to the
> > > application of
> > > > > > >remedial
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >measures. In addition, natural help will always be there for
> > > native himself.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In the given example of Maharishi's life, at his 13th year
> > > of age his
> > > > > > >father
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >died & Mother died at when he was 42.
> > > > > > > > > He himself lived for 70 years.
> > > > > > > > > Therefore as far as the native himself is concerned the
> > > behaviour of
> > > > > > >planets
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >may have acted in favor of him, but for his relatives the
> > > effect of planets
> > > > > > >did
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >not changed.
> > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > Nirmal
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Finn Wandahl"
> > > <finn.wandahl@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1. rahu/ketu in 4th or with moon in any house.
> > > > > > > > > > 2. shani in 11 or with jupiter in any house.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If we read Lal Kitab in a literal manner then it is true
> > > these
> > > > > > > > > > combinations cause Dharmi Tewa, but perhaps this goes a
> > > little deeper. I
> > > > > > > > > > like to caution that Jupiter and Saturn may stay in the
> > > same sign for a
> > > > > > > > > > entire year, and not all horoscopes for such a long period
> > > should be
> > > > > > > > > > considered as genuine Dharmi Tewa.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In the same way Moon will be with Rahu/ketu for 2½
> > > days giving rise
> > > > > > > > > > to about 60 different charts, and not all af them should
> > > be considered a
> > > > > > > > > > real Dharmi Tewa. Many of them are only a kind of Dharmi
> > > Tewa.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We need to distinguish between the more general trend like
> > > this and the
> > > > > > > > > > much more personal and specific trend when the Ascendant
> > > is taken into
> > > > > > > > > > consideration. Lal Kitab is after all very much an
> > > Ascendant-based
> > > > > > > > > > system. Please let me illustrate this with an example of a
> > > powerful
> > > > > > > > > > Dharmi Tewa:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > H.No. 1: Ven
> > > > > > > > > > H.No. 2: Merc
> > > > > > > > > > H.No. 3: Sun & Rahu
> > > > > > > > > > H.No. 5: Jup
> > > > > > > > > > H.No. 6: Sat
> > > > > > > > > > H.No. 7: Mars
> > > > > > > > > > H.No. 9: Moon & Ketu
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Surely this chart has got a Moon/Ketu combination, but why
> > > does this
> > > > > > > > > > combination turn this chart into a very strong Dharmi
> > > Tewa? Let us
> > > > > > > > > > analyze it more closely:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1) When H.No. 4 is blank it is very good and because of
> > > this H.No. 9,
> > > > > > > > > > occupied by the Moon, becomes very strong and benefic.
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> > > > > > > > > > 2) Ketu is twice exalted because of: 1) being in the 9th
> > > and 2) being
> > > > > > > > > > aspected by Jupiter from H.No.5.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The chart belongs to the late Sri Ramana Maharishi.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl
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