Dear Jitin Ji,
Vijay Goel ji is doing a great job by putting is hard labor and putting it before the members to discuss.It is only his efforts the further queries are pouring in.
The group had been given a gestation period deliberately to enable the members to read the books and start the discussions up to the point. But unfortunately the types of queries indicate that either the members are not reading the authentic books or they have not authentic transliterations.
As far as senior members are concerned, in my view they can only participate if the queries are of something different and more of their level. We are in the fourth house but I feel the nature and quantum of queries are of not up to the mark.
The group will definitely give proper guidance to any member who desires so, provided the member comes forward.
Regards
Nirmal
--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "jitin syal" <jitinsyal82@...> wrote:
>
> Sir, I beg to differ since most of your posts are either related to Vedic
> directly or indirectly, students here are desperate for some authentic LK
> learning which unfortunately occurs rarely. This forum is dying slowly day
> by day and the knowledge being shared on LK is nowhere as near as when I
> first joined it, this despite being having all the major LK experts we had
> back then.
>
>
>
> I kindly request nirmal ji, Kulbir ji, Mahajan ji and many more to please
> participate actively, no one is asking you to giveaway your hard
> earned/learned knowledge of LK but to give this group a proper guidance.
>
>
>
> Jai Pt. ji
>
>
>
> Jitin Syal
>
> Perth, Australia
>
>
>
> From: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com [mailto:astrostudents@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of vijay.goel
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:00 PM
> To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Pakka Ghar no.4, Lal Kitab - 1942 page 20. Type
> of profession.
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Raj ji,
>
> //So I presume that when you mentioned traditional astrology, you meant
> LK.//
>
> Nope, when i say traditional astrology means Parashar related astrology.
>
> If i don't mention anything than it means that all my comments are from LK
> in this forum.
>
> I don't mix anything but if any comparative instance comes in my mind than i
> clearly mentioned it.
>
> Thank you,
> Regards,
> Vijay Goel
> jaipur
>
> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:astrostudents%40yahoogroups.com> , "Raj" <rajbhardwaj1949@>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > No, but because you wrote- In traditional astrology Mars in 4H make an
> agriculturist.}.This confused the issue, I mean mixing LK and traditional
> astrology.The explanation now you have given is from LK. So I presume that
> when you mentioned traditional astrology, you meant LK. There has to be a
> way out,sometimes,you will appreciate.
> >
> > Raj Bhardwaj
> >
> > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:astrostudents%40yahoogroups.com> , "vijay.goel" <goyalvj@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Raj Bhardwaj ji,
> > > From 4th if we re-read the text we can find few indication which can
> > > turn into there profession mentioned there.
> > > 1) 'Bajaji' : Cloth merchant.2) 'Charinde' : Animal husbandry3) 'Dudh
> > > pilate' : Milk Diary and its related product.4) 'Pani ke janwar' :
> > > Fishery5) "samudra par safar " : Business related to long sea
> > > journeys.6) 'Dharti', 'chawal' : Agriculturist especially related to
> > > rice or those agricultural product which requires lots of water.7)
> > > 'Ruhani Karobar' : saints, ashram, yoga & meditation.8) 'Ghoda' : Horse
> > > related business, transportation.
> > > These are few major items....for more pl. go through the text.
> > > Why not livihood, from 4th house, any major reason you want to say ?
> > > ThankyouRegards,Vijay GoelJaipurmob +91 92502239
> > >
> > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:astrostudents%40yahoogroups.com> , "Raj" <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > > >
> > > > Profession from 4th house ? Could you please elaborate ?
> > > >
> > > > Raj Bhardwaj
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:astrostudents%40yahoogroups.com> , "vijay.goel" goyalvj@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Saurab,
> > > > >
> > > > > Person have agricultural land or horse breeding (?) may be a
> > > profession, in modern context he could be a Taxi travel type business.
> > > > >
> > > > > Else accident .....
> > > > >
> > > > > In traditional astrology Mars in 4H make an agriculturist.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vijay
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:astrostudents%40yahoogroups.com> , saurabh mishra
> > > <saurabh45_mishra@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hare Rama Hare Kirsna,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you so much for this comprehensive explanation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Could you please clarify this comment ("Else Death could be sudden
> > > and from
> > > > > > accidents (moon + mars in 10H")Â in more details?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > //8) Mars + Saturn = Masnui Rahu Uccha : Here Native will have
> > > power to win
> > > > > > combat and fights.
> > > > > > Horse breeding in his agriculture land will confer good results.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Else Death could be sudden and from accidents (moon + mars in
> > > 10H).//
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Saurabh Mishra
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: vijay.goel <goyalvj@>
> > > > > > To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:astrostudents%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Tue, 7 December, 2010 23:53:57
> > > > > > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Pakka Ghar no.4, Lal Kitab - 1942
> > > page 20. Dharmi
> > > > > > Tewa
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Â
> > > > > > Dear Saurab Misra ji,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > // Your comments :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think this combination will destroyed mental peace of person and
> > > such person
> > > > > > can see dreams even in day time due to this lot of negative
> > > thoughts come in the
> > > > > > mind and mental peace destroyed.
> > > > > > Such person can foresee future but negative things can predict
> > > more easily (I
> > > > > > think Ra forced the negativity and Mars destroy mental peace).//
> > > > > > You could be right but in traditional astrology we have to
> > > consider many other
> > > > > > factors for finer points.
> > > > > > Let see this combination under the lamp of Lal-kitab since we are
> > > dealing with
> > > > > > 4H currently.
> > > > > > Now let see Jupiter, mars, sani and rahu , four planets results in
> > > 4H:
> > > > > > 1) Jupiter is exalted, LK says it is the sea of milk, four planets
> > > moon, venus,
> > > > > > mars and jupiter will confer positive and good results.
> > > > > > 2) Mars is mangal budh as mars is debilitated.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Chandra ya shukra akela yamangal ke saath mustarka khana # 3,4,8
> > > mein ho to
> > > > > > khud unka apana asar beshaqkuchha ho aur kaisa hi ho magar mangal
> > > ko mangalik ya
> > > > > > mangal bad na hone denge."
> > > > > > If moon is good than magal budh will be greatly reduced.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So marriage related problems will be highly reduced, age of
> > > children could be
> > > > > > safe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3) Rahu here will not do mischievous, Dharmi Teva first condition
> > > is met.
> > > > > > Aalim va Akal wala to jarur hoga : Person will be skilled and
> > > intelligent. It
> > > > > > gives good education to the native but status of property and
> > > wealth will depend
> > > > > > on moon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 4) Sani is friend of moon so sani itself will be not bad for the
> > > native, ie if
> > > > > > health is bad, consuming the items of sani will help in recovery
> > > of health, ie
> > > > > > alcohol, badam, can be used as medicine.
> > > > > > This sani position is not good for Mama (mother's brother).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 5)Â Jupiter + Sani : Here second condition for Dharmi Tewa is
> > > met.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here native should follow the prime condition of maintenance of
> > > this yoga:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He should not drink alcohol to pronounce saturn negative (except
> > > in medicine
> > > > > > like homeopati, ayurvedic having alcohol content) .
> > > > > > He should not ask for charity nor his livelihood should be
> > > dependent on charity.
> > > > > > He should have great faith on God and seek only his part of honest
> > > wealth from
> > > > > > Him, never have eye on other's wealth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He should refrain from womanizer (sani in 4H, mandi halat).
> > > > > > If condition are met than only illusion (Maya) of saturn will
> > > touch the feet of
> > > > > > Guru, the teacher, the lord of two world.
> > > > > > (LK-42, page 259)
> > > > > > Simply Native has to make Jupiter strong from his actions.
> > > > > > 6) Jupiter + Mars : Here we can safely say the age of males in the
> > > family is
> > > > > > safe and male members will increase day by day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This clearly indicate mars badh effect is turned to nil. But
> > > wealth is not
> > > > > > guaranteed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 7) Jupiter + Rahu = Masnui Budh: Here fortune will be double
> > > shaded. If native
> > > > > > has elephant (wealth) than he will be lord of only one world (like
> > > a head of
> > > > > > Matt, temple, etc) Grishati hoga. "Fokki izzat hogi" ie His
> > > saintly appearance
> > > > > > could be deceptive.
> > > > > > With rahu, jupiter will be silence ie jupiter will lose the
> > > hold of another
> > > > > > world (Gaibi Takat). The position of mercury will have the final
> > > say over this
> > > > > > yoga.
> > > > > > 8) Mars + Saturn = Masnui Rahu Uccha : Here Native will have power
> > > to win combat
> > > > > > and fights.
> > > > > > Horse breeding in his agriculture land will confer good results.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Else Death could be sudden and from accidents (moon + mars in
> > > 10H).
> > > > > > We must remember below verse also:
> > > > > > "Aath, teeje, 6 tewe manda mauth bahana chauthe ho"
> > > > > > 9) Rahu + Mars : Elephant (rahu) is under control of Mars
> > > (Mahawat), if not than
> > > > > > elephant will be mad.
> > > > > > 10) Rahu + Saturn : In 4H : native is king, saheb-e-iqbal.
> > > > > > 11) Ra+ ju+ sa : Happiness of males will be less.
> > > > > > 12) Ju + Mars + Sani : Number of males will decrease.
> > > > > > --------Conclusion :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) Financial status is dependent on moon's position and
> > > status.
> > > > > > 2) Dharmi Tewa condition is additional dependent on Mercury's
> > > position and
> > > > > > status, as jupiter is silence in front of rahu.
> > > > > > Thank you
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Vijay Goel
> > > > > > Jaipur.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:astrostudents%40yahoogroups.com> , saurabh mishra
> > > <saurabh45_mishra@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would like to share my experience on (if I am correct)
> > > â€Å"Saturn + Jupiter
> > > > > > >is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Brahma yoga in traditional astrology which means that person has
> > > the ability to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > foresee past, present & future�.
> > > > > > > But what will happen if Ra and Mars join the Saturn + Jupiter
> > > (Saturn + Jupiter
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > + Ra +Mars in 4th house)?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think this combination will destroyed mental peace of person
> > > and such person
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > can see dreams even in day time due to this lot of negative
> > > thoughts come in
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > mind and mental peace destroyed.
> > > > > > > Such person can foresee future but negative things can predict
> > > more easily (I
> > > > > > > think Ra forced the negativity and Mars destroy mental peace).
> > > > > > > What you think?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Saurabh Mishra
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > From: vijay.goel goyalvj@
> > > > > > > To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:astrostudents%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 6 December, 2010 19:13:10
> > > > > > > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Pakka Ghar no.4, Lal Kitab - 1942
> > > page 20. Dharmi
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tewa
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ÂÂ
> > > > > > > Respected Finn ji,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > " This story, if true, is a perfect example of Dharmi Tewa,
> > > don't you think?"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dharmi Tewa don't indicate enlighten souls, nor a
> > > parameter to says that
> > > > > > >these
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > combination make sure to get enlightenment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The main theme is very simple in LK:
> > > > > > > 1) Moon represent heart and emotion and Ra\Ke signifiesÂÂ
> > > excited or depress
> > > > > > > state of emotions.
> > > > > > > So moon + ra\ke makes the person, who can easily
> > > able to control emotion as
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > per their wish, if they practice for it.
> > > > > > > For eg. in a good psychologist charts you can find this yoga
> > > easily. But
> > > > > > > negatively these combination creates fear and phobias.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2) Saturn works as an executor of law of Karma, Jupiter
> > > signifies truth. If
> > > > > > > saturn has relationship with jupiter, person attains very good
> > > discriminating
> > > > > > > power under natural law of justice.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Saturn + Jupiter is Brahma yoga in traditional astrology which
> > > means that
> > > > > > >person
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > has the ability to forsee past, present & future.
> > > > > > > In many successful person this i have seen this yoga because
> > > they put proper
> > > > > > > justice to the work they undertake (especially if it is in 10H).
> > > If we focus
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > house and other combination we can know where this Brahma yoga
> > > is working.
> > > > > > > Negatively this yoga creates power seekers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If both these condition are met in the horoscope, there is a
> > > chance that person
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > can attain spiritual enlightenment naturally with less efforts,
> > > which is the
> > > > > > > main purpose of birth. Person is inherently fit in the
> > > qualification required
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > as per Patanjali Sutras.
> > > > > > > Even if person is honest and truthful towards its actions, he is
> > > sure to rise
> > > > > > >at
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > soul level.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----
> > > > > > > Horoscope of Sh. Raman Maharashi has controversy over the lagna,
> > > Some go forÂÂ
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kanya lagna and some say it is Tula lagna. The chart you have
> > > produced is from
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tula Lagna.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----
> > > > > > > Thankyou,
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Vijay Goel
> > > > > > > Jaipur.
> > > > > > > Mob : +91 9214502239.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ÂÂ
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:astrostudents%40yahoogroups.com> , "Finn Wandahl"
> > > finn.wandahl@ wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dear Nirmal Ji,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, and in spite of Dharmi Tewa, Mercury in H.No.2 (destroys
> > > father) and
> > > > > > > >Saturn in H.No.6 (destroys Jupiter) was still operational
> > > causing early death
> > > > > > >of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >father in his 13th year. But the Maharishi himself was safe due
> > > to Dharmi
> > > > > > >Tewa.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Then there is a story that when Ramana Maharishi was young he
> > > was sitting
> > > > > > > >meditating in a cave when a wild tiger came, but it didn't bite
> > > him or harm
> > > > > > >him
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >in any way and he was quite safe. This story, if true, is a
> > > perfect example of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Dharmi Tewa, don't you think?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > Finn
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:astrostudents%40yahoogroups.com> , "Nirmal Kumar" nirbhar@
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Respected Finn,
> > > > > > > > > I agree with your view point. This term is used widely by
> > > all lalkitab
> > > > > > > >astrologers. I have another opinion about this term. In my
> > > view, in Dharmi
> > > > > > >Teva,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >the behavior of planets remains the same as it would be in a
> > > normal horoscope.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The only difference may be there with regards to the
> > > application of
> > > > > > >remedial
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >measures. In addition, natural help will always be there for
> > > native himself.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In the given example of Maharishi's life, at his 13th year
> > > of age his
> > > > > > >father
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >died & Mother died at when he was 42.
> > > > > > > > > He himself lived for 70 years.
> > > > > > > > > Therefore as far as the native himself is concerned the
> > > behaviour of
> > > > > > >planets
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >may have acted in favor of him, but for his relatives the
> > > effect of planets
> > > > > > >did
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >not changed.
> > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > Nirmal
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:astrostudents%40yahoogroups.com> , "Finn Wandahl"
> > > <finn.wandahl@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1. rahu/ketu in 4th or with moon in any house.
> > > > > > > > > > 2. shani in 11 or with jupiter in any house.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If we read Lal Kitab in a literal manner then it is true
> > > these
> > > > > > > > > > combinations cause Dharmi Tewa, but perhaps this goes a
> > > little deeper. I
> > > > > > > > > > like to caution that Jupiter and Saturn may stay in the
> > > same sign for a
> > > > > > > > > > entire year, and not all horoscopes for such a long period
> > > should be
> > > > > > > > > > considered as genuine Dharmi Tewa.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In the same way Moon will be with Rahu/ketu for 2½
> > > days giving rise
> > > > > > > > > > to about 60 different charts, and not all af them should
> > > be considered a
> > > > > > > > > > real Dharmi Tewa. Many of them are only a kind of Dharmi
> > > Tewa.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We need to distinguish between the more general trend like
> > > this and the
> > > > > > > > > > much more personal and specific trend when the Ascendant
> > > is taken into
> > > > > > > > > > consideration. Lal Kitab is after all very much an
> > > Ascendant-based
> > > > > > > > > > system. Please let me illustrate this with an example of a
> > > powerful
> > > > > > > > > > Dharmi Tewa:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > H.No. 1: Ven
> > > > > > > > > > H.No. 2: Merc
> > > > > > > > > > H.No. 3: Sun & Rahu
> > > > > > > > > > H.No. 5: Jup
> > > > > > > > > > H.No. 6: Sat
> > > > > > > > > > H.No. 7: Mars
> > > > > > > > > > H.No. 9: Moon & Ketu
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Surely this chart has got a Moon/Ketu combination, but why
> > > does this
> > > > > > > > > > combination turn this chart into a very strong Dharmi
> > > Tewa? Let us
> > > > > > > > > > analyze it more closely:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1) When H.No. 4 is blank it is very good and because of
> > > this H.No. 9,
> > > > > > > > > > occupied by the Moon, becomes very strong and benefic.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2) Ketu is twice exalted because of: 1) being in the 9th
> > > and 2) being
> > > > > > > > > > aspected by Jupiter from H.No.5.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The chart belongs to the late Sri Ramana Maharishi.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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