Dear Sh.Nirmal Kumar Ji,
Thanks for your reply. I would like to clarify further. I have been
reading all the msgs without any comment from my side for past many
months, because I am learning LK silently; and will not venture out to
give any comment, till I think I have gained such ability, which will
take me very long time.
My take on the msg was simply the hints of traditional astrology being
thrown in here and there, which are really not needed, due to the simple
fact that LK is on a very different and higher plane, and it is tougher
than LK, until one gets involved in the understanding of what Pandit Ji
wanted to convey, and for this one has to relate with LK at deeper level
of inner power or at the level of soul and mind.
Even any inadvertant reference to traditional jytish can take the mind
Off-Track from LK. Moreover the LK is not meant for only the literal
translation of Farmans and other explanations. If we go on giving the
interpretation of the essence like an automated Vending machine, I feel
this would amount to trivialising the concepts,deeper meaning of LK.
My take on explanation of 4th Bhava in the Vedic or traditional Indian
Astrology was only ment for this purpose, and NOT for any discussion on
the traditional astrology, and the intention was that the discussion
should be ONLY on the issues dealt in the LK and we should not attempt
to nail -in our interpretations in the minds of readers, by throwing in
reference to traditional Indian/Western/Chinese thought process. This is
very important because LK is definitely on a very different and Unique
platform and footing , and we must try to stick to that platform,as far
as possible.
My intention was no where to drag the Group towards discussion on 4th
house vis-a-vis BPHS or traditional Indian Astrology, for which I
contribute to few other groups and also practice myself. I am devoting
my precious time in this Group only to UNDERSTAND the LK, which is lot
more tougher and deeper than any other system of Jyotish.
In case, you feel , as a moderator that I have created any hindrance in
the Group, I apologise and promise not to write further, lest it should
be taken as my Bad-Tameezee. I request all members to Please not to
take up my msg further, as we all must save the previous time of the
Group.
In case you feel that this msg also is not in the interest of the Group,
please delete it and do not publish it. With my best regards
Raj Bhardwaj
--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Nirmal Kumar" <nirbhar@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Raj Bhardwaj Ji,
> in Lalkitab, Every planet when posited in a house indicates type of
business one has to take or not. The role of 10th house will not
interfere untill or unless some or more planets posited in it. when we
go further in next chapters this will become clearer and clearer.
>
> Regarding discussion of other jyotish systems in present scenerio, I
feel we refrain ourselves from bringing discussions on other systems.
> I have a different opinion regarding your explanation about the
Prashari system. In that system also every house signifies a different
profession. Any how we will surely discuss the same after finishing the
discussion on Lakitab.
> Regards
> Nirmal
>
> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" rajbhardwaj1949@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Vijay Ji,
> >
> > In Vedic or traditional Jyotish, 4th Bhava , House or Khana is known
as
> > SUKHA BHAVA. The 4th house being a quadrant, forms one of the 4
pillars
> > of Jyotish on which the Horoscope is founded. Moon is the natural
Karaka
> > of this Bhava. This house rules vital matters related to Mother
> > (Significator Moon),Vahan Sukh (Significator Venus),Home, building,
Land
> > (Mars,Ketu),Motherland (Venus ),Childhood, wealth from real estate,
> > Education, especially formal education (Budh), Maternal relatives,
> > luxury, happiness, cultural heritage, good/evils from maternal side,
and
> > also Karma inherited from Mother side ( quite a few of these matters
are
> > examined from the Divisional Charts related to the 4th house, like
> > Chaaturthansha, Hora Chart (Not the type of placing the planets in
Leo
> > and Cancer sign but Kashinath Hora, Dwadshansh,
> > Shodshansh,Chaturvinshansha,Khvedamsha ,Akhvedansha etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > In Brihat Parashar Hora Shastra the 4th Bhava is called Sukhabhava
and
> > the short description is given as :- If there is Sukhesh(lord of
4th) or
> > Lagnesh and the Bhava is aspected by Shubh Grahas, oen gets full
> > GeSaukhya. Sukhesh in own house,own Navamsha Or in exaltation helps
the
> > Jatak to Sukha of House,Land,Vehicles,Mother,Geet and Vadya Sukhas.
If
> > the Sukesh is in Kendra or Trikona alongwith Rajyesh (lord of 10th
> > Bhava), Jataka can get to stay in Rajmahals./Rajaprasad. Apart from
the
> > position of the Sukhesh, thus stated, if Budha is posited in Lagna,
the
> > Jataka becomes Bandhu Poojya.
> >
> >
> >
> > The 4th Bhava creates a direct Argala(intervention) on the Lagna.
> > Generally malefic planets like Sun,Mars, Saturn,Rahu (in the
increasing
> > order of their malefic strength or nature, can considerably damage a
> > chart. However, these effects get altered, due to Chara Karkattva
and
> > the rashis of these planets in the 4th house.
> >
> > I would like to add here that the 4th house also belongs to general
> > public and the planets situated in the 10thouse can reflect the
> > relationship of the Jataka with the public at large.
> >
> >
> >
> > In general we can see, Bandhu,Matri Sukha,Budhi (Not Budhimatta or
> > level of intelligence which is judged from 5th house), Sukha,
Shanti,
> > Friends, Entertainment, Sthavar Sampatti,problems related to lungs,
> > Heart region,Arts and General education. Happiness in disposition,
with
> > relation to position of Moon and Venus. Mars in 4th sign of
Kaal-Purusha
> > is considered debilitated, and it can cause unfortunate happenings
(like
> > poverty, anger , family disturbance ,sour relations with parents,
> > troubles and problems related to property and real estate business,
> > laborer like conditions in early part of life, because Mars will
have
> > Argala on the Lagna, the traits of Mars like bellicose disposition,
> > short–temper, hard heartedness can be seen in the Jataka. But,
Mars
> > in own sign or Taurus, reduces the negative impact on the nature of
> > native, as the fire of Mars is quenched. The 4th bhava is also
> > considered as place of mating, love affairs etc. Similarly other
planets
> > in the 4th house confer different shades of personality and sukhas
or
> > dukhas to the native. There are hundreds of such combinations and
> > effects of planets on the 4th house, depending upon drishti,
position in
> > Kendras or Trikonas in the chart. The karkaa (significant) rashis
are
> > Karka, Makar and Meen. Karaka planets are Moon and Venus and BUDH in
> > this bhava. Many renowned Jyotishis like Dr BV Raman have also
called
> > the 4th house as the Paataal, Naadir like.
> >
> >
> >
> > In nutshell the planets in 4th house will generally impact the 10th
> > house (house of Karma, profession, job, Work, Vyapaar etc (7th from
4th)
> > and the vice-versa too. Both houses can motivate or de-motivate the
> > Jataka, because of the fact that the 10th house also creates Vipreet
> > Argala against the Primary Argala from the 4th house. I will stop
here,
> > because both you and I can go on, but this group is basically for
> > discussion on the LK, and any reference to traditional jyotish can
> > create lots of doubts in the followers of LK and the members of the
> > Group. This was the only reason, I wanted to understand your
reference
> > to traditional Jyotish while analyzing the 4th Khana with reference
to
> > LK, which was confusing. With my best wishes.
> >
> >
> >
> > Raj Bhardwaj
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Raj ji,
> > >
> > > //So I presume that when you mentioned traditional astrology, you
> > meant LK.//
> > >
> > > Nope, when i say traditional astrology means Parashar related
> > astrology.
> > >
> > > If i don't mention anything than it means that all my comments are
> > from LK in this forum.
> > >
> > > I don't mix anything but if any comparative instance comes in my
mind
> > than i clearly mentioned it.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Regards,
> > > Vijay Goel
> > > jaipur
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" rajbhardwaj1949@
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > > > No, but because you wrote- In traditional astrology Mars in 4H
make
> > an agriculturist.}.This confused the issue, I mean mixing LK and
> > traditional astrology.The explanation now you have given is from LK.
So
> > I presume that when you mentioned traditional astrology, you meant
LK.
> > There has to be a way out,sometimes,you will appreciate.
> > > >
> > > > Raj Bhardwaj
> > > >
> > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Raj Bhardwaj ji,
> > > > > From 4th if we re-read the text we can find few indication
which
> > can
> > > > > turn into there profession mentioned there.
> > > > > 1) 'Bajaji' : Cloth merchant.2) 'Charinde' : Animal
husbandry3)
> > 'Dudh
> > > > > pilate' : Milk Diary and its related product.4) 'Pani ke
janwar' :
> > > > > Fishery5) "samudra par safar " : Business related to long sea
> > > > > journeys.6) 'Dharti', 'chawal' : Agriculturist especially
related
> > to
> > > > > rice or those agricultural product which requires lots of
water.7)
> > > > > 'Ruhani Karobar' : saints, ashram, yoga & meditation.8)
'Ghoda' :
> > Horse
> > > > > related business, transportation.
> > > > > These are few major items....for more pl. go through the text.
> > > > > Why not livihood, from 4th house, any major reason you want to
say
> > ?
> > > > > ThankyouRegards,Vijay GoelJaipurmob +91 92502239
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" <rajbhardwaj1949@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Profession from 4th house ? Could you please elaborate ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "vijay.goel" goyalvj@
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Saurab,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Person have agricultural land or horse breeding (?) may be
a
> > > > > profession, in modern context he could be a Taxi travel type
> > business.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Else accident .....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In traditional astrology Mars in 4H make an agriculturist.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vijay
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, saurabh mishra
> > > > > <saurabh45_mishra@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hare Rama Hare Kirsna,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thank you so much for this comprehensive explanation.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Could you please clarify this comment ("Else Death could
be
> > sudden
> > > > > and from
> > > > > > > > accidents (moon + mars in 10H")Â in more details?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > //8) Mars + Saturn = Masnui Rahu Uccha : Here Native
will
> > have
> > > > > power to win
> > > > > > > > combat and fights.
> > > > > > > > Horse breeding in his agriculture land will confer good
> > results.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Else Death could be sudden and from accidents (moon +
mars
> > in
> > > > > 10H).//
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > Saurabh Mishra
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > > From: vijay.goel <goyalvj@>
> > > > > > > > To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > Sent: Tue, 7 December, 2010 23:53:57
> > > > > > > > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Pakka Ghar no.4, Lal Kitab
-
> > 1942
> > > > > page 20. Dharmi
> > > > > > > > Tewa
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Â
> > > > > > > > Dear Saurab Misra ji,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > // Your comments :
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think this combination will destroyed mental peace of
> > person and
> > > > > such person
> > > > > > > > can see dreams even in day time due to this lot of
negative
> > > > > thoughts come in the
> > > > > > > > mind and mental peace destroyed.
> > > > > > > > Such person can foresee future but negative things can
> > predict
> > > > > more easily (I
> > > > > > > > think Ra forced the negativity and Mars destroy mental
> > peace).//
> > > > > > > > You could be right but in traditional astrology we
have
> > to
> > > > > consider many other
> > > > > > > > factors for finer points.
> > > > > > > > Let see this combination under the lamp of Lal-kitab
since
> > we are
> > > > > dealing with
> > > > > > > > 4H currently.
> > > > > > > > Now let see Jupiter, mars, sani and rahu , four planets
> > results in
> > > > > 4H:
> > > > > > > > 1) Jupiter is exalted, LK says it is the sea of milk,
four
> > planets
> > > > > moon, venus,
> > > > > > > > mars and jupiter will confer positive and good results.
> > > > > > > > 2) Mars is mangal budh as mars is debilitated.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Chandra ya shukra akela yamangal ke saath mustarka
khana #
> > 3,4,8
> > > > > mein ho to
> > > > > > > > khud unka apana asar beshaqkuchha ho aur kaisa hi ho
magar
> > mangal
> > > > > ko mangalik ya
> > > > > > > > mangal bad na hone denge."
> > > > > > > > If moon is good than magal budh will be greatly reduced.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So marriage related problems will be highly reduced, age
of
> > > > > children could be
> > > > > > > > safe.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3) Rahu here will not do mischievous, Dharmi Teva first
> > condition
> > > > > is met.
> > > > > > > > Aalim va Akal wala to jarur hoga : Person will be
skilled
> > and
> > > > > intelligent. It
> > > > > > > > gives good education to the native but status of
property
> > and
> > > > > wealth will depend
> > > > > > > > on moon.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 4) Sani is friend of moon so sani itself will be not bad
for
> > the
> > > > > native, ie if
> > > > > > > > health is bad, consuming the items of sani will help in
> > recovery
> > > > > of health, ie
> > > > > > > > alcohol, badam, can be used as medicine.
> > > > > > > > This sani position is not good for Mama (mother's
brother).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 5)Â Jupiter + Sani : Here second condition for Dharmi
> > Tewa is
> > > > > met.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Here native should follow the prime condition of
maintenance
> > of
> > > > > this yoga:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > He should not drink alcohol to pronounce saturn negative
> > (except
> > > > > in medicine
> > > > > > > > like homeopati, ayurvedic having alcohol content) .
> > > > > > > > He should not ask for charity nor his livelihood should
be
> > > > > dependent on charity.
> > > > > > > > He should have great faith on God and seek only his part
of
> > honest
> > > > > wealth from
> > > > > > > > Him, never have eye on other's wealth.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > He should refrain from womanizer (sani in 4H, mandi
halat).
> > > > > > > > If condition are met than only illusion (Maya) ofÂ
saturn
> > will
> > > > > touch the feet of
> > > > > > > > Guru, the teacher, the lord of two world.
> > > > > > > > (LK-42, page 259)
> > > > > > > > Simply Native has to make Jupiter strong from his
actions.
> > > > > > > > 6) Jupiter + Mars : Here we can safely say the age of
males
> > in the
> > > > > family is
> > > > > > > > safe and male members will increase day by day.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This clearly indicate mars badh effect is turned to nil.
But
> > > > > wealth is not
> > > > > > > > guaranteed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 7) Jupiter + Rahu = Masnui Budh: Here fortune will be
double
> > > > > shaded. If native
> > > > > > > > has elephant (wealth) than he will be lord of only one
world
> > (like
> > > > > a head of
> > > > > > > > Matt, temple, etc) Grishati hoga. "Fokki izzat hogi" ie
His
> > > > > saintly appearance
> > > > > > > > could be deceptive.
> > > > > > > > With rahu, jupiter will be silence ie jupiter will
lose
> > the
> > > > > hold of another
> > > > > > > > world (Gaibi Takat). The position of mercury will have
the
> > final
> > > > > say over this
> > > > > > > > yoga.
> > > > > > > > 8) Mars + Saturn = Masnui Rahu Uccha : Here Native will
have
> > power
> > > > > to win combat
> > > > > > > > and fights.
> > > > > > > > Horse breeding in his agriculture land will confer good
> > results.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Else Death could be sudden and from accidents (moon +
mars
> > in
> > > > > 10H).
> > > > > > > > We must remember below verse also:
> > > > > > > > "Aath, teeje, 6 tewe manda mauth bahana chauthe ho"
> > > > > > > > 9) Rahu + Mars : Elephant (rahu) is under control of
Mars
> > > > > (Mahawat), if not than
> > > > > > > > elephant will be mad.
> > > > > > > > 10) Rahu + Saturn : In 4H : native is king,
saheb-e-iqbal.
> > > > > > > > 11) Ra+ ju+ sa : Happiness of males will be less.
> > > > > > > > 12) Ju + Mars + Sani : Number of males will decrease.
> > > > > > > > --------Conclusion :
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1) Financial status is dependent on moon's position
and
> > > > > status.
> > > > > > > > 2) Dharmi Tewa condition is additional dependent on
> > Mercury's
> > > > > position and
> > > > > > > > status, as jupiter is silence in front of rahu.
> > > > > > > > Thank you
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > Vijay Goel
> > > > > > > > Jaipur.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, saurabh mishra
> > > > > <saurabh45_mishra@>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I would like to share my experience on (if I am
> > correct)
> > > > > â€Å"Saturn + Jupiter
> > > > > > > > >is
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Brahma yoga in traditional astrology which means that
> > person has
> > > > > the ability to
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > foresee past, present & future�.
> > > > > > > > > But what will happen if Ra and Mars join the Saturn +
> > Jupiter
> > > > > (Saturn + Jupiter
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > + Ra +Mars in 4th house)?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think this combination will destroyed mental peace
of
> > person
> > > > > and such person
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > can see dreams even in day time due to this lot of
> > negative
> > > > > thoughts come in
> > > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > mind and mental peace destroyed.
> > > > > > > > > Such person can foresee future but negative things can
> > predict
> > > > > more easily (I
> > > > > > > > > think Ra forced the negativity and Mars destroy mental
> > peace).
> > > > > > > > > What you think?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > Saurabh Mishra
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > > > From: vijay.goel goyalvj@
> > > > > > > > > To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 6 December, 2010 19:13:10
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Pakka Ghar no.4, Lal
Kitab -
> > 1942
> > > > > page 20. Dharmi
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tewa
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ÂÂ
> > > > > > > > > Respected Finn ji,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > " This story, if true, is a perfect example of Dharmi
> > Tewa,
> > > > > don't you think?"
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dharmi Tewa don't indicate enlighten souls, nor
a
> > > > > parameter to says that
> > > > > > > > >these
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > combination make sure to get enlightenment.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The main theme is very simple in LK:
> > > > > > > > > 1) Moon represent heart and emotion and Ra\Ke
> > signifiesÂÂ
> > > > > excited or depress
> > > > > > > > > state of emotions.
> > > > > > > > > So moon + ra\ke makes the person, who can
easily
> > > > > able to control emotion as
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > per their wish, if they practice for it.
> > > > > > > > > For eg. in a good psychologist charts you can find
this
> > yoga
> > > > > easily. But
> > > > > > > > > negatively these combination creates fear and phobias.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2) Saturn works as an executor of law of Karma,
Jupiter
> > > > > signifies truth. If
> > > > > > > > > saturn has relationship with jupiter, person attains
very
> > good
> > > > > discriminating
> > > > > > > > > power under natural law of justice.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Saturn + Jupiter is Brahma yoga in traditional
astrology
> > which
> > > > > means that
> > > > > > > > >person
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > has the ability to forsee past, present & future.
> > > > > > > > > In many successful person this i have seen this yoga
> > because
> > > > > they put proper
> > > > > > > > > justice to the work they undertake (especially if it
is in
> > 10H).
> > > > > If we focus
> > > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > house and other combination we can know where this
Brahma
> > yoga
> > > > > is working.
> > > > > > > > > Negatively this yoga creates power seekers.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If both these condition are met in the horoscope,
there is
> > a
> > > > > chance that person
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > can attain spiritual enlightenment naturally with less
> > efforts,
> > > > > which is the
> > > > > > > > > main purpose of birth. Person is inherently fit
in
> > the
> > > > > qualification required
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > as per Patanjali Sutras.
> > > > > > > > > Even if person is honest and truthful towards its
actions,
> > he is
> > > > > sure to rise
> > > > > > > > >at
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > soul level.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----
> > > > > > > > > Horoscope of Sh. Raman Maharashi has controversy over
the
> > lagna,
> > > > > Some go forÂÂ
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Kanya lagna and some say it is Tula lagna. The chart
you
> > have
> > > > > produced is from
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tula Lagna.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----
> > > > > > > > > Thankyou,
> > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel
> > > > > > > > > Jaipur.
> > > > > > > > > Mob : +91 9214502239.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ÂÂ
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Finn Wandahl"
> > > > > finn.wandahl@ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dear Nirmal Ji,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, and in spite of Dharmi Tewa, Mercury in H.No.2
> > (destroys
> > > > > father) and
> > > > > > > > > >Saturn in H.No.6 (destroys Jupiter) was still
operational
> > > > > causing early death
> > > > > > > > >of
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >father in his 13th year. But the Maharishi himself
was
> > safe due
> > > > > to Dharmi
> > > > > > > > >Tewa.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Then there is a story that when Ramana Maharishi was
> > young he
> > > > > was sitting
> > > > > > > > > >meditating in a cave when a wild tiger came, but it
> > didn't bite
> > > > > him or harm
> > > > > > > > >him
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >in any way and he was quite safe. This story, if
true, is
> > a
> > > > > perfect example of
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Dharmi Tewa, don't you think?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > Finn
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Nirmal Kumar"
> > nirbhar@
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Respected Finn,
> > > > > > > > > > > I agree with your view point. This term is used
widely
> > by
> > > > > all lalkitab
> > > > > > > > > >astrologers. I have another opinion about this term.
In
> > my
> > > > > view, in Dharmi
> > > > > > > > >Teva,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >the behavior of planets remains the same as it would
be
> > in a
> > > > > normal horoscope.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The only difference may be there with regards to
the
> > > > > application of
> > > > > > > > >remedial
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >measures. In addition, natural help will always be
there
> > for
> > > > > native himself.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > In the given example of Maharishi's life, at his
13th
> > year
> > > > > of age his
> > > > > > > > >father
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >died & Mother died at when he was 42.
> > > > > > > > > > > He himself lived for 70 years.
> > > > > > > > > > > Therefore as far as the native himself is
concerned
> > the
> > > > > behaviour of
> > > > > > > > >planets
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >may have acted in favor of him, but for his relatives
the
> > > > > effect of planets
> > > > > > > > >did
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >not changed.
> > > > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > > > Nirmal
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Finn
Wandahl"
> > > > > <finn.wandahl@>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. rahu/ketu in 4th or with moon in any house.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. shani in 11 or with jupiter in any house.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If we read Lal Kitab in a literal manner then it
is
> > true
> > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > > combinations cause Dharmi Tewa, but perhaps this
> > goes a
> > > > > little deeper. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > like to caution that Jupiter and Saturn may stay
in
> > the
> > > > > same sign for a
> > > > > > > > > > > > entire year, and not all horoscopes for such a
long
> > period
> > > > > should be
> > > > > > > > > > > > considered as genuine Dharmi Tewa.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > In the same way Moon will be with Rahu/ketu for
> > 2½
> > > > > days giving rise
> > > > > > > > > > > > to about 60 different charts, and not all af
them
> > should
> > > > > be considered a
> > > > > > > > > > > > real Dharmi Tewa. Many of them are only a kind
of
> > Dharmi
> > > > > Tewa.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > We need to distinguish between the more general
> > trend like
> > > > > this and the
> > > > > > > > > > > > much more personal and specific trend when the
> > Ascendant
> > > > > is taken into
> > > > > > > > > > > > consideration. Lal Kitab is after all very much
an
> > > > > Ascendant-based
> > > > > > > > > > > > system. Please let me illustrate this with an
> > example of a
> > > > > powerful
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dharmi Tewa:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > H.No. 1: Ven
> > > > > > > > > > > > H.No. 2: Merc
> > > > > > > > > > > > H.No. 3: Sun & Rahu
> > > > > > > > > > > > H.No. 5: Jup
> > > > > > > > > > > > H.No. 6: Sat
> > > > > > > > > > > > H.No. 7: Mars
> > > > > > > > > > > > H.No. 9: Moon & Ketu
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Surely this chart has got a Moon/Ketu
combination,
> > but why
> > > > > does this
> > > > > > > > > > > > combination turn this chart into a very strong
> > Dharmi
> > > > > Tewa? Let us
> > > > > > > > > > > > analyze it more closely:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) When H.No. 4 is blank it is very good and
because
> > of
> > > > > this H.No. 9,
> > > > > > > > > > > > occupied by the Moon, becomes very strong and
> > benefic.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Ketu is twice exalted because of: 1) being in
the
> > 9th
> > > > > and 2) being
> > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by Jupiter from H.No.5.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The chart belongs to the late Sri Ramana
Maharishi.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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