Respeted Vijayji is right.
I feel it is not my assumption but 'INFERENCE' AFTER ANALYZING
VARIOUS SYSTEMS.
rEGARDS,
INDIA
From: vijay.goel <goyalvj@gmail.com>
To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 20 December, 2010 8:05:18 PM
Subject: [astrostudents] Lal Kitab and Traditional astrology & its relationship
Dear Members.
One more addition i want to say that, respected Goyal Sahab has posted earlier that this LK system could be much more older than Parashara \ Varahmihra system. May be these traditional system would have advanced later on.
This is only an assumption.
Regards
Vijay
--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "jitin syal" <jitinsyal82@...> wrote:
>
> Respected G.K. Goel ji, where did you read or how did you came to the conclusion that "Lal Kitab belongs as a part to ancient Vedic Indian astrology"?
>
> Sir as a student of Lal kitab I am excited to know more about it.
>
> Looking forward to your reply
>
>
>
> Jai Pt. ji
>
> Jitin Syal
>
> Perth, Australia
>
>
>
> From: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com [mailto:astrostudents@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gopal Goel
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 9:45 AM
> To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Re: Pakka Ghar no.4, Lal Kitab - 1942 page 20. Type of profession.
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Mr. Raj Bhardwaj,
> Lall Kitab also belongs as a part to ancient Vedic Indian
> astrology. It offers alternative solutions which are not at cress purposes with
> ancient traditional astrological systems.
> Mr.Vijay Goel is a very learned savant in both systems. It is our best luck
> that the savants of Lall kitab also come across some rules of traditional astrology.
>
> I sight a case that , Lall kitab says if saturm in 4H , THE NATIVE FACE TROUBLES
> IF OWNS HOUSE AROUND 35 YEARS OF AGE AND SUCH NATIVES SHOULD OWN HIS HOUSE
> ONLY PASSING THE AGE OF 48 YEARS.
> i CAME ACROSS A CASE , IN WHOSE NATIVITY SATURN WAS PLACED IN 4h HOUSE ,
> AND HIS SUB-SUB OF SATURN WAS OPERATING AT THE AGEOF ABOUT35 YEARS,
> HE ACQUIRED HOUSE WITH MANY PROBLEMS, LOT A VERY LURCATIVE JOB.
> I TOLD HIM TO HOLD ON , EVERY THING WILL BE IN RIGHT FRAME ONCE
> SATURN SUB-SUB WILL BE OVER.I TOLD HIM SOME REMEDIAL MEASURES AS PER LALLKITAB AND GIVEN HIM SOME MANTRA TO RECITE AS PER TRADITIONS ASTROLOGY.
> TO=DAY HE IS HAPPILY PLACED IN LIFE AND THE HOUSE HE HAD ACQUIRED IS ADDITIONAL SOURCE OF INCOME.
>
> His birth particulars are as under:Born Jan17,1975,10.57.30AM, 86E21,21N57 HALDIA INDIA
> Merc/Venus/Saturn - Vimsottari was operating from Dec4,2008 to May14, 2009.
> We should be tolerant in the use of language so that it may not heart any savant and
> help in the healthy development of this exalted science of astrology.
> With best regards,
>
> G.K.GOEL
> INDIA
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Raj rajbhardwaj1949@...
> To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, 18 December, 2010 11:24:30 AM
> Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Pakka Ghar no.4, Lal Kitab - 1942 page 20. Type of profession.
>
>
>
>
> Sh.Vijay Goel Ji,
>
> It pains me that You are taking the thread on personal levels, which is not dignified. In my last msg, I had clearly stated that I do now wish that members should devote more time to my MSG.
>
>
>
> I had not written any thing derogatory or personal about your capability or knowledge. My aim was centered around the HOW OF the discussions related to the LAL KITAB.
>
>
>
> I do not cherish your innuendoes, still I have no wish to react or drag myself into any controversy in this solmen Group by falling prey to your INVITE, when you wrote in your reply - "Don't confuse yourself " and "These types of articles are easily available at many sites, still contribution is good for 4th house".
>
>
>
> I am hereby withdrawing from the Group as a member, but that will still keep me enabled to read and learn and understand the LK , but would disable me from posting any Message. I would rather love it this way!
>
>
>
> Raj Bhardwaj
>
>
>
> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "vijay.goel" goyalvj@ wrote:
> >
> > Dear Raj Bhardwaj ji,
> >
> > Don't confused yourself.
> > if you will read the whole conversation with Sri Saurabh Mishraji and mine, you will know in what context of Lal kitab, i mentioned traditional reference of 4H mars makes an agriculturist.
> > It is very simple and clear, if you go through it.
> >
> > I have raised many doubts in earlier post in LK verses. It will be very helpful if you contribute related to that points\ verses so that all can get benefited.
> >
> > These types of articles are easily available at many sites.
> > Still contribution is good on 4H.
> >
> > Thankyou
> > Regards,
> > Vijay Goel
> > Jaipur.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" rajbhardwaj1949@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > >
> > > In Vedic or traditional Jyotish, 4th Bhava , House or Khana is known as
> > > SUKHA BHAVA. The 4th house being a quadrant, forms one of the 4 pillars
> > > of Jyotish on which the Horoscope is founded. Moon is the natural Karaka
> > > of this Bhava. This house rules vital matters related to Mother
> > > (Significator Moon),Vahan Sukh (Significator Venus),Home, building, Land
> > > (Mars,Ketu),Motherland (Venus ),Childhood, wealth from real estate,
> > > Education, especially formal education (Budh), Maternal relatives,
> > > luxury, happiness, cultural heritage, good/evils from maternal side, and
> > > also Karma inherited from Mother side ( quite a few of these matters are
> > > examined from the Divisional Charts related to the 4th house, like
> > > Chaaturthansha, Hora Chart (Not the type of placing the planets in Leo
> > > and Cancer sign but Kashinath Hora, Dwadshansh,
> > > Shodshansh,Chaturvinshansha,Khvedamsha ,Akhvedansha etc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In Brihat Parashar Hora Shastra the 4th Bhava is called Sukhabhava and
> > > the short description is given as :- If there is Sukhesh(lord of 4th) or
> > > Lagnesh and the Bhava is aspected by Shubh Grahas, oen gets full
> > > GeSaukhya. Sukhesh in own house,own Navamsha Or in exaltation helps the
> > > Jatak to Sukha of House,Land,Vehicles,Mother,Geet and Vadya Sukhas. If
> > > the Sukesh is in Kendra or Trikona alongwith Rajyesh (lord of 10th
> > > Bhava), Jataka can get to stay in Rajmahals./Rajaprasad. Apart from the
> > > position of the Sukhesh, thus stated, if Budha is posited in Lagna, the
> > > Jataka becomes Bandhu Poojya.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The 4th Bhava creates a direct Argala(intervention) on the Lagna.
> > > Generally malefic planets like Sun,Mars, Saturn,Rahu (in the increasing
> > > order of their malefic strength or nature, can considerably damage a
> > > chart. However, these effects get altered, due to Chara Karkattva and
> > > the rashis of these planets in the 4th house.
> > >
> > > I would like to add here that the 4th house also belongs to general
> > > public and the planets situated in the 10thouse can reflect the
> > > relationship of the Jataka with the public at large.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In general we can see, Bandhu,Matri Sukha,Budhi (Not Budhimatta or
> > > level of intelligence which is judged from 5th house), Sukha, Shanti,
> > > Friends, Entertainment, Sthavar Sampatti,problems related to lungs,
> > > Heart region,Arts and General education. Happiness in disposition, with
> > > relation to position of Moon and Venus. Mars in 4th sign of Kaal-Purusha
> > > is considered debilitated, and it can cause unfortunate happenings (like
> > > poverty, anger , family disturbance ,sour relations with parents,
> > > troubles and problems related to property and real estate business,
> > > laborer like conditions in early part of life, because Mars will have
> > > Argala on the Lagna, the traits of Mars like bellicose disposition,
> > > short��"temper, hard heartedness can be seen in the Jataka. But, Mars
> > > in own sign or Taurus, reduces the negative impact on the nature of
> > > native, as the fire of Mars is quenched. The 4th bhava is also
> > > considered as place of mating, love affairs etc. Similarly other planets
> > > in the 4th house confer different shades of personality and sukhas or
> > > dukhas to the native. There are hundreds of such combinations and
> > > effects of planets on the 4th house, depending upon drishti, position in
> > > Kendras or Trikonas in the chart. The karkaa (significant) rashis are
> > > Karka, Makar and Meen. Karaka planets are Moon and Venus and BUDH in
> > > this bhava. Many renowned Jyotishis like Dr BV Raman have also called
> > > the 4th house as the Paataal, Naadir like.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In nutshell the planets in 4th house will generally impact the 10th
> > > house (house of Karma, profession, job, Work, Vyapaar etc (7th from 4th)
> > > and the vice-versa too. Both houses can motivate or de-motivate the
> > > Jataka, because of the fact that the 10th house also creates Vipreet
> > > Argala against the Primary Argala from the 4th house. I will stop here,
> > > because both you and I can go on, but this group is basically for
> > > discussion on the LK, and any reference to traditional jyotish can
> > > create lots of doubts in the followers of LK and the members of the
> > > Group. This was the only reason, I wanted to understand your reference
> > > to traditional Jyotish while analyzing the 4th Khana with reference to
> > > LK, which was confusing. With my best wishes.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Raj Bhardwaj
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Raj ji,
> > > >
> > > > //So I presume that when you mentioned traditional astrology, you
> > > meant LK.//
> > > >
> > > > Nope, when i say traditional astrology means Parashar related
> > > astrology.
> > > >
> > > > If i don't mention anything than it means that all my comments are
> > > from LK in this forum.
> > > >
> > > > I don't mix anything but if any comparative instance comes in my mind
> > > than i clearly mentioned it.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Vijay Goel
> > > > jaipur
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" rajbhardwaj1949@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > > > > No, but because you wrote- In traditional astrology Mars in 4H make
> > > an agriculturist.}.This confused the issue, I mean mixing LK and
> > > traditional astrology.The explanation now you have given is from LK. So
> > > I presume that when you mentioned traditional astrology, you meant LK.
> > > There has to be a way out,sometimes,you will appreciate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Raj Bhardwaj
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Raj Bhardwaj ji,
> > > > > > From 4th if we re-read the text we can find few indication which
> > > can
> > > > > > turn into there profession mentioned there.
> > > > > > 1) 'Bajaji' : Cloth merchant.2) 'Charinde' : Animal husbandry3)
> > > 'Dudh
> > > > > > pilate' : Milk Diary and its related product.4) 'Pani ke janwar' :
> > > > > > Fishery5) "samudra par safar " : Business related to long sea
> > > > > > journeys.6) 'Dharti', 'chawal' : Agriculturist especially related
> > > to
> > > > > > rice or those agricultural product which requires lots of water.7)
> > > > > > 'Ruhani Karobar' : saints, ashram, yoga & meditation.8) 'Ghoda' :
> > > Horse
> > > > > > related business, transportation.
> > > > > > These are few major items....for more pl. go through the text.
> > > > > > Why not livihood, from 4th house, any major reason you want to say
> > > ?
> > > > > > ThankyouRegards,Vijay GoelJaipurmob +91 92502239
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" <rajbhardwaj1949@>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Profession from 4th house ? Could you please elaborate ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "vijay.goel" goyalvj@
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dear Saurab,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Person have agricultural land or horse breeding (?) may be a
> > > > > > profession, in modern context he could be a Taxi travel type
> > > business.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Else accident .....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In traditional astrology Mars in 4H make an agriculturist.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Vijay
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, saurabh mishra
> > > > > > <saurabh45_mishra@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Hare Kirsna,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thank you so much for this comprehensive explanation.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Could you please clarify this comment ("Else Death could be
> > > sudden
> > > > > > and from
> > > > > > > > > accidents (moon + mars in 10H")Â in more details?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > //8) Mars + Saturn = Masnui Rahu Uccha : Here Native will
> > > have
> > > > > > power to win
> > > > > > > > > combat and fights.
> > > > > > > > > Horse breeding in his agriculture land will confer good
> > > results.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Else Death could be sudden and from accidents (moon + mars
> > > in
> > > > > > 10H).//
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > Saurabh Mishra
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > > > From: vijay.goel <goyalvj@>
> > > > > > > > > To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Tue, 7 December, 2010 23:53:57
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Pakka Ghar no.4, Lal Kitab -
> > > 1942
> > > > > > page 20. Dharmi
> > > > > > > > > Tewa
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Â
> > > > > > > > > Dear Saurab Misra ji,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > // Your comments :
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think this combination will destroyed mental peace of
> > > person and
> > > > > > such person
> > > > > > > > > can see dreams even in day time due to this lot of negative
> > > > > > thoughts come in the
> > > > > > > > > mind and mental peace destroyed.
> > > > > > > > > Such person can foresee future but negative things can
> > > predict
> > > > > > more easily (I
> > > > > > > > > think Ra forced the negativity and Mars destroy mental
> > > peace).//
> > > > > > > > > You could be right but in traditional astrology we have
> > > to
> > > > > > consider many other
> > > > > > > > > factors for finer points.
> > > > > > > > > Let see this combination under the lamp of Lal-kitab since
> > > we are
> > > > > > dealing with
> > > > > > > > > 4H currently.
> > > > > > > > > Now let see Jupiter, mars, sani and rahu , four planets
> > > results in
> > > > > > 4H:
> > > > > > > > > 1) Jupiter is exalted, LK says it is the sea of milk, four
> > > planets
> > > > > > moon, venus,
> > > > > > > > > mars and jupiter will confer positive and good results.
> > > > > > > > > 2) Mars is mangal budh as mars is debilitated.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Chandra ya shukra akela yamangal ke saath mustarka khana #
> > > 3,4,8
> > > > > > mein ho to
> > > > > > > > > khud unka apana asar beshaqkuchha ho aur kaisa hi ho magar
> > > mangal
> > > > > > ko mangalik ya
> > > > > > > > > mangal bad na hone denge."
> > > > > > > > > If moon is good than magal budh will be greatly reduced.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So marriage related problems will be highly reduced, age of
> > > > > > children could be
> > > > > > > > > safe.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 3) Rahu here will not do mischievous, Dharmi Teva first
> > > condition
> > > > > > is met.
> > > > > > > > > Aalim va Akal wala to jarur hoga : Person will be skilled
> > > and
> > > > > > intelligent. It
> > > > > > > > > gives good education to the native but status of property
> > > and
> > > > > > wealth will depend
> > > > > > > > > on moon.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 4) Sani is friend of moon so sani itself will be not bad for
> > > the
> > > > > > native, ie if
> > > > > > > > > health is bad, consuming the items of sani will help in
> > > recovery
> > > > > > of health, ie
> > > > > > > > > alcohol, badam, can be used as medicine.
> > > > > > > > > This sani position is not good for Mama (mother's brother).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 5)Â Jupiter + Sani : Here second condition for Dharmi
> > > Tewa is
> > > > > > met.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Here native should follow the prime condition of maintenance
> > > of
> > > > > > this yoga:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > He should not drink alcohol to pronounce saturn negative
> > > (except
> > > > > > in medicine
> > > > > > > > > like homeopati, ayurvedic having alcohol content) .
> > > > > > > > > He should not ask for charity nor his livelihood should be
> > > > > > dependent on charity.
> > > > > > > > > He should have great faith on God and seek only his part of
> > > honest
> > > > > > wealth from
> > > > > > > > > Him, never have eye on other's wealth.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > He should refrain from womanizer (sani in 4H, mandi halat).
> > > > > > > > > If condition are met than only illusion (Maya) of saturn
> > > will
> > > > > > touch the feet of
> > > > > > > > > Guru, the teacher, the lord of two world.
> > > > > > > > > (LK-42, page 259)
> > > > > > > > > Simply Native has to make Jupiter strong from his actions.
> > > > > > > > > 6) Jupiter + Mars : Here we can safely say the age of males
> > > in the
> > > > > > family is
> > > > > > > > > safe and male members will increase day by day.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This clearly indicate mars badh effect is turned to nil. But
> > > > > > wealth is not
> > > > > > > > > guaranteed.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 7) Jupiter + Rahu = Masnui Budh: Here fortune will be double
> > > > > > shaded. If native
> > > > > > > > > has elephant (wealth) than he will be lord of only one world
> > > (like
> > > > > > a head of
> > > > > > > > > Matt, temple, etc) Grishati hoga. "Fokki izzat hogi" ie His
> > > > > > saintly appearance
> > > > > > > > > could be deceptive.
> > > > > > > > > With rahu, jupiter will be silence ie jupiter will lose
> > > the
> > > > > > hold of another
> > > > > > > > > world (Gaibi Takat). The position of mercury will have the
> > > final
> > > > > > say over this
> > > > > > > > > yoga.
> > > > > > > > > 8) Mars + Saturn = Masnui Rahu Uccha : Here Native will have
> > > power
> > > > > > to win combat
> > > > > > > > > and fights.
> > > > > > > > > Horse breeding in his agriculture land will confer good
> > > results.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Else Death could be sudden and from accidents (moon + mars
> > > in
> > > > > > 10H).
> > > > > > > > > We must remember below verse also:
> > > > > > > > > "Aath, teeje, 6 tewe manda mauth bahana chauthe ho"
> > > > > > > > > 9) Rahu + Mars : Elephant (rahu) is under control of Mars
> > > > > > (Mahawat), if not than
> > > > > > > > > elephant will be mad.
> > > > > > > > > 10) Rahu + Saturn : In 4H : native is king, saheb-e-iqbal.
> > > > > > > > > 11) Ra+ ju+ sa : Happiness of males will be less.
> > > > > > > > > 12) Ju + Mars + Sani : Number of males will decrease.
> > > > > > > > > --------Conclusion :
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1) Financial status is dependent on moon's position and
> > > > > > status.
> > > > > > > > > 2) Dharmi Tewa condition is additional dependent on
> > > Mercury's
> > > > > > position and
> > > > > > > > > status, as jupiter is silence in front of rahu.
> > > > > > > > > Thank you
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel
> > > > > > > > > Jaipur.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, saurabh mishra
> > > > > > <saurabh45_mishra@>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I would like to share my experience on (if I am
> > > correct)
> > > > > > â€Å"Saturn + Jupiter
> > > > > > > > > >is
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Brahma yoga in traditional astrology which means that
> > > person has
> > > > > > the ability to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > foresee past, present & future�.
> > > > > > > > > > But what will happen if Ra and Mars join the Saturn +
> > > Jupiter
> > > > > > (Saturn + Jupiter
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > + Ra +Mars in 4th house)?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I think this combination will destroyed mental peace of
> > > person
> > > > > > and such person
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > can see dreams even in day time due to this lot of
> > > negative
> > > > > > thoughts come in
> > > > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > mind and mental peace destroyed.
> > > > > > > > > > Such person can foresee future but negative things can
> > > predict
> > > > > > more easily (I
> > > > > > > > > > think Ra forced the negativity and Mars destroy mental
> > > peace).
> > > > > > > > > > What you think?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > Saurabh Mishra
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > > > > From: vijay.goel goyalvj@
> > > > > > > > > > To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 6 December, 2010 19:13:10
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Pakka Ghar no.4, Lal Kitab -
> > > 1942
> > > > > > page 20. Dharmi
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tewa
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ÂÂ
> > > > > > > > > > Respected Finn ji,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > " This story, if true, is a perfect example of Dharmi
> > > Tewa,
> > > > > > don't you think?"
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dharmi Tewa don't indicate enlighten souls, nor a
> > > > > > parameter to says that
> > > > > > > > > >these
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > combination make sure to get enlightenment.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The main theme is very simple in LK:
> > > > > > > > > > 1) Moon represent heart and emotion and Ra\Ke
> > > signifiesÂÂ
> > > > > > excited or depress
> > > > > > > > > > state of emotions.
> > > > > > > > > > So moon + ra\ke makes the person, who can easily
> > > > > > able to control emotion as
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > per their wish, if they practice for it.
> > > > > > > > > > For eg. in a good psychologist charts you can find this
> > > yoga
> > > > > > easily. But
> > > > > > > > > > negatively these combination creates fear and phobias.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2) Saturn works as an executor of law of Karma, Jupiter
> > > > > > signifies truth. If
> > > > > > > > > > saturn has relationship with jupiter, person attains very
> > > good
> > > > > > discriminating
> > > > > > > > > > power under natural law of justice.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Saturn + Jupiter is Brahma yoga in traditional astrology
> > > which
> > > > > > means that
> > > > > > > > > >person
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > has the ability to forsee past, present & future.
> > > > > > > > > > In many successful person this i have seen this yoga
> > > because
> > > > > > they put proper
> > > > > > > > > > justice to the work they undertake (especially if it is in
> > > 10H).
> > > > > > If we focus
> > > > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > house and other combination we can know where this Brahma
> > > yoga
> > > > > > is working.
> > > > > > > > > > Negatively this yoga creates power seekers.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If both these condition are met in the horoscope, there is
> > > a
> > > > > > chance that person
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > can attain spiritual enlightenment naturally with less
> > > efforts,
> > > > > > which is the
> > > > > > > > > > main purpose of birth. Person is inherently fit in
> > > the
> > > > > > qualification required
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > as per Patanjali Sutras.
> > > > > > > > > > Even if person is honest and truthful towards its actions,
> > > he is
> > > > > > sure to rise
> > > > > > > > > >at
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > soul level.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----
> > > > > > > > > > Horoscope of Sh. Raman Maharashi has controversy over the
> > > lagna,
> > > > > > Some go forÂÂ
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Kanya lagna and some say it is Tula lagna. The chart you
> > > have
> > > > > > produced is from
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tula Lagna.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ----
> > > > > > > > > > Thankyou,
> > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel
> > > > > > > > > > Jaipur.
> > > > > > > > > > Mob : +91 9214502239.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ÂÂ
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Finn Wandahl"
> > > > > > finn.wandahl@ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nirmal Ji,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, and in spite of Dharmi Tewa, Mercury in H.No.2
> > > (destroys
> > > > > > father) and
> > > > > > > > > > >Saturn in H.No.6 (destroys Jupiter) was still operational
> > > > > > causing early death
> > > > > > > > > >of
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >father in his 13th year. But the Maharishi himself was
> > > safe due
> > > > > > to Dharmi
> > > > > > > > > >Tewa.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Then there is a story that when Ramana Maharishi was
> > > young he
> > > > > > was sitting
> > > > > > > > > > >meditating in a cave when a wild tiger came, but it
> > > didn't bite
> > > > > > him or harm
> > > > > > > > > >him
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >in any way and he was quite safe. This story, if true, is
> > > a
> > > > > > perfect example of
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Dharmi Tewa, don't you think?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > Finn
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Nirmal Kumar"
> > > nirbhar@
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Finn,
> > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with your view point. This term is used widely
> > > by
> > > > > > all lalkitab
> > > > > > > > > > >astrologers. I have another opinion about this term. In
> > > my
> > > > > > view, in Dharmi
> > > > > > > > > >Teva,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >the behavior of planets remains the same as it would be
> > > in a
> > > > > > normal horoscope.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The only difference may be there with regards to the
> > > > > > application of
> > > > > > > > > >remedial
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >measures. In addition, natural help will always be there
> > > for
> > > > > > native himself.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > In the given example of Maharishi's life, at his 13th
> > > year
> > > > > > of age his
> > > > > > > > > >father
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >died & Mother died at when he was 42.
> > > > > > > > > > > > He himself lived for 70 years.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore as far as the native himself is concerned
> > > the
> > > > > > behaviour of
> > > > > > > > > >planets
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >may have acted in favor of him, but for his relatives the
> > > > > > effect of planets
> > > > > > > > > >did
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >not changed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > > > > Nirmal
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Finn Wandahl"
> > > > > > <finn.wandahl@>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. rahu/ketu in 4th or with moon in any house.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. shani in 11 or with jupiter in any house.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If we read Lal Kitab in a literal manner then it is
> > > true
> > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > > > combinations cause Dharmi Tewa, but perhaps this
> > > goes a
> > > > > > little deeper. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > like to caution that Jupiter and Saturn may stay in
> > > the
> > > > > > same sign for a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > entire year, and not all horoscopes for such a long
> > > period
> > > > > > should be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > considered as genuine Dharmi Tewa.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In the same way Moon will be with Rahu/ketu for
> > > 2½
> > > > > > days giving rise
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to about 60 different charts, and not all af them
> > > should
> > > > > > be considered a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > real Dharmi Tewa. Many of them are only a kind of
> > > Dharmi
> > > > > > Tewa.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > We need to distinguish between the more general
> > > trend like
> > > > > > this and the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > much more personal and specific trend when the
> > > Ascendant
> > > > > > is taken into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > consideration. Lal Kitab is after all very much an
> > > > > > Ascendant-based
> > > > > > > > > > > > > system. Please let me illustrate this with an
> > > example of a
> > > > > > powerful
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dharmi Tewa:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > H.No. 1: Ven
> > > > > > > > > > > > > H.No. 2: Merc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > H.No. 3: Sun & Rahu
> > > > > > > > > > > > > H.No. 5: Jup
> > > > > > > > > > > > > H.No. 6: Sat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > H.No. 7: Mars
> > > > > > > > > > > > > H.No. 9: Moon & Ketu
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely this chart has got a Moon/Ketu combination,
> > > but why
> > > > > > does this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > combination turn this chart into a very strong
> > > Dharmi
> > > > > > Tewa? Let us
> > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze it more closely:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) When H.No. 4 is blank it is very good and because
> > > of
> > > > > > this H.No. 9,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > occupied by the Moon, becomes very strong and
> > > benefic.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Ketu is twice exalted because of: 1) being in the
> > > 9th
> > > > > > and 2) being
> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by Jupiter from H.No.5.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The chart belongs to the late Sri Ramana Maharishi.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl
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