Dear Raj ji,
//So I presume that when you mentioned traditional astrology, you meant LK.//
Nope, when i say traditional astrology means Parashar related astrology.
If i don't mention anything than it means that all my comments are from LK in this forum.
I don't mix anything but if any comparative instance comes in my mind than i clearly mentioned it.
Thank you,
Regards,
Vijay Goel
jaipur
--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" <rajbhardwaj1949@...> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Vijay Ji,
> No, but because you wrote- In traditional astrology Mars in 4H make an agriculturist.}.This confused the issue, I mean mixing LK and traditional astrology.The explanation now you have given is from LK. So I presume that when you mentioned traditional astrology, you meant LK. There has to be a way out,sometimes,you will appreciate.
>
> Raj Bhardwaj
>
> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Raj Bhardwaj ji,
> > From 4th if we re-read the text we can find few indication which can
> > turn into there profession mentioned there.
> > 1) 'Bajaji' : Cloth merchant.2) 'Charinde' : Animal husbandry3) 'Dudh
> > pilate' : Milk Diary and its related product.4) 'Pani ke janwar' :
> > Fishery5) "samudra par safar " : Business related to long sea
> > journeys.6) 'Dharti', 'chawal' : Agriculturist especially related to
> > rice or those agricultural product which requires lots of water.7)
> > 'Ruhani Karobar' : saints, ashram, yoga & meditation.8) 'Ghoda' : Horse
> > related business, transportation.
> > These are few major items....for more pl. go through the text.
> > Why not livihood, from 4th house, any major reason you want to say ?
> > ThankyouRegards,Vijay GoelJaipurmob +91 92502239
> >
> > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > >
> > > Profession from 4th house ? Could you please elaborate ?
> > >
> > > Raj Bhardwaj
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "vijay.goel" goyalvj@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Saurab,
> > > >
> > > > Person have agricultural land or horse breeding (?) may be a
> > profession, in modern context he could be a Taxi travel type business.
> > > >
> > > > Else accident .....
> > > >
> > > > In traditional astrology Mars in 4H make an agriculturist.
> > > >
> > > > Vijay
> > > >
> > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, saurabh mishra
> > <saurabh45_mishra@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > > > >
> > > > > Hare Rama Hare Kirsna,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you so much for this comprehensive explanation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Could you please clarify this comment ("Else Death could be sudden
> > and from
> > > > > accidents (moon + mars in 10H")Â in more details?
> > > > >
> > > > > //8) Mars + Saturn = Masnui Rahu Uccha : Here Native will have
> > power to win
> > > > > combat and fights.
> > > > > Horse breeding in his agriculture land will confer good results.
> > > > >
> > > > > Else Death could be sudden and from accidents (moon + mars in
> > 10H).//
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Saurabh Mishra
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: vijay.goel <goyalvj@>
> > > > > To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Tue, 7 December, 2010 23:53:57
> > > > > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Pakka Ghar no.4, Lal Kitab - 1942
> > page 20. Dharmi
> > > > > Tewa
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Dear Saurab Misra ji,
> > > > >
> > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,
> > > > >
> > > > > // Your comments :
> > > > >
> > > > > I think this combination will destroyed mental peace of person and
> > such person
> > > > > can see dreams even in day time due to this lot of negative
> > thoughts come in the
> > > > > mind and mental peace destroyed.
> > > > > Such person can foresee future but negative things can predict
> > more easily (I
> > > > > think Ra forced the negativity and Mars destroy mental peace).//
> > > > > You could be right but in traditional astrology we have to
> > consider many other
> > > > > factors for finer points.
> > > > > Let see this combination under the lamp of Lal-kitab since we are
> > dealing with
> > > > > 4H currently.
> > > > > Now let see Jupiter, mars, sani and rahu , four planets results in
> > 4H:
> > > > > 1) Jupiter is exalted, LK says it is the sea of milk, four planets
> > moon, venus,
> > > > > mars and jupiter will confer positive and good results.
> > > > > 2) Mars is mangal budh as mars is debilitated.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Chandra ya shukra akela yamangal ke saath mustarka khana # 3,4,8
> > mein ho to
> > > > > khud unka apana asar beshaqkuchha ho aur kaisa hi ho magar mangal
> > ko mangalik ya
> > > > > mangal bad na hone denge."
> > > > > If moon is good than magal budh will be greatly reduced.
> > > > >
> > > > > So marriage related problems will be highly reduced, age of
> > children could be
> > > > > safe.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3) Rahu here will not do mischievous, Dharmi Teva first condition
> > is met.
> > > > > Aalim va Akal wala to jarur hoga : Person will be skilled and
> > intelligent. It
> > > > > gives good education to the native but status of property and
> > wealth will depend
> > > > > on moon.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4) Sani is friend of moon so sani itself will be not bad for the
> > native, ie if
> > > > > health is bad, consuming the items of sani will help in recovery
> > of health, ie
> > > > > alcohol, badam, can be used as medicine.
> > > > > This sani position is not good for Mama (mother's brother).
> > > > >
> > > > > 5)Â Jupiter + Sani : Here second condition for Dharmi Tewa is
> > met.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here native should follow the prime condition of maintenance of
> > this yoga:
> > > > >
> > > > > He should not drink alcohol to pronounce saturn negative (except
> > in medicine
> > > > > like homeopati, ayurvedic having alcohol content) .
> > > > > He should not ask for charity nor his livelihood should be
> > dependent on charity.
> > > > > He should have great faith on God and seek only his part of honest
> > wealth from
> > > > > Him, never have eye on other's wealth.
> > > > >
> > > > > He should refrain from womanizer (sani in 4H, mandi halat).
> > > > > If condition are met than only illusion (Maya) of saturn will
> > touch the feet of
> > > > > Guru, the teacher, the lord of two world.
> > > > > (LK-42, page 259)
> > > > > Simply Native has to make Jupiter strong from his actions.
> > > > > 6) Jupiter + Mars : Here we can safely say the age of males in the
> > family is
> > > > > safe and male members will increase day by day.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This clearly indicate mars badh effect is turned to nil. But
> > wealth is not
> > > > > guaranteed.
> > > > >
> > > > > 7) Jupiter + Rahu = Masnui Budh: Here fortune will be double
> > shaded. If native
> > > > > has elephant (wealth) than he will be lord of only one world (like
> > a head of
> > > > > Matt, temple, etc) Grishati hoga. "Fokki izzat hogi" ie His
> > saintly appearance
> > > > > could be deceptive.
> > > > > With rahu, jupiter will be silence ie jupiter will lose the
> > hold of another
> > > > > world (Gaibi Takat). The position of mercury will have the final
> > say over this
> > > > > yoga.
> > > > > 8) Mars + Saturn = Masnui Rahu Uccha : Here Native will have power
> > to win combat
> > > > > and fights.
> > > > > Horse breeding in his agriculture land will confer good results.
> > > > >
> > > > > Else Death could be sudden and from accidents (moon + mars in
> > 10H).
> > > > > We must remember below verse also:
> > > > > "Aath, teeje, 6 tewe manda mauth bahana chauthe ho"
> > > > > 9) Rahu + Mars : Elephant (rahu) is under control of Mars
> > (Mahawat), if not than
> > > > > elephant will be mad.
> > > > > 10) Rahu + Saturn : In 4H : native is king, saheb-e-iqbal.
> > > > > 11) Ra+ ju+ sa : Happiness of males will be less.
> > > > > 12) Ju + Mars + Sani : Number of males will decrease.
> > > > > --------Conclusion :
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Financial status is dependent on moon's position and
> > status.
> > > > > 2) Dharmi Tewa condition is additional dependent on Mercury's
> > position and
> > > > > status, as jupiter is silence in front of rahu.
> > > > > Thank you
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Vijay Goel
> > > > > Jaipur.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, saurabh mishra
> > <saurabh45_mishra@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would like to share my experience on (if I am correct)
> > â€Å"Saturn + Jupiter
> > > > > >is
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brahma yoga in traditional astrology which means that person has
> > the ability to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > foresee past, present & future�.
> > > > > > But what will happen if Ra and Mars join the Saturn + Jupiter
> > (Saturn + Jupiter
> > > > > >
> > > > > > + Ra +Mars in 4th house)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think this combination will destroyed mental peace of person
> > and such person
> > > > >
> > > > > > can see dreams even in day time due to this lot of negative
> > thoughts come in
> > > > > >the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mind and mental peace destroyed.
> > > > > > Such person can foresee future but negative things can predict
> > more easily (I
> > > > > > think Ra forced the negativity and Mars destroy mental peace).
> > > > > > What you think?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Saurabh Mishra
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: vijay.goel goyalvj@
> > > > > > To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Mon, 6 December, 2010 19:13:10
> > > > > > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Pakka Ghar no.4, Lal Kitab - 1942
> > page 20. Dharmi
> > > > >
> > > > > > Tewa
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ÂÂ
> > > > > > Respected Finn ji,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > " This story, if true, is a perfect example of Dharmi Tewa,
> > don't you think?"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dharmi Tewa don't indicate enlighten souls, nor a
> > parameter to says that
> > > > > >these
> > > > > >
> > > > > > combination make sure to get enlightenment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The main theme is very simple in LK:
> > > > > > 1) Moon represent heart and emotion and Ra\Ke signifiesÂÂ
> > excited or depress
> > > > > > state of emotions.
> > > > > > So moon + ra\ke makes the person, who can easily
> > able to control emotion as
> > > > > >
> > > > > > per their wish, if they practice for it.
> > > > > > For eg. in a good psychologist charts you can find this yoga
> > easily. But
> > > > > > negatively these combination creates fear and phobias.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2) Saturn works as an executor of law of Karma, Jupiter
> > signifies truth. If
> > > > > > saturn has relationship with jupiter, person attains very good
> > discriminating
> > > > > > power under natural law of justice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Saturn + Jupiter is Brahma yoga in traditional astrology which
> > means that
> > > > > >person
> > > > > >
> > > > > > has the ability to forsee past, present & future.
> > > > > > In many successful person this i have seen this yoga because
> > they put proper
> > > > > > justice to the work they undertake (especially if it is in 10H).
> > If we focus
> > > > > >the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > house and other combination we can know where this Brahma yoga
> > is working.
> > > > > > Negatively this yoga creates power seekers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If both these condition are met in the horoscope, there is a
> > chance that person
> > > > > >
> > > > > > can attain spiritual enlightenment naturally with less efforts,
> > which is the
> > > > > > main purpose of birth. Person is inherently fit in the
> > qualification required
> > > > > >
> > > > > > as per Patanjali Sutras.
> > > > > > Even if person is honest and truthful towards its actions, he is
> > sure to rise
> > > > > >at
> > > > > >
> > > > > > soul level.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----
> > > > > > Horoscope of Sh. Raman Maharashi has controversy over the lagna,
> > Some go forÂÂ
> > > > >
> > > > > > Kanya lagna and some say it is Tula lagna. The chart you have
> > produced is from
> > > > >
> > > > > > Tula Lagna.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----
> > > > > > Thankyou,
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Vijay Goel
> > > > > > Jaipur.
> > > > > > Mob : +91 9214502239.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ÂÂ
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Finn Wandahl"
> > finn.wandahl@ wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Nirmal Ji,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, and in spite of Dharmi Tewa, Mercury in H.No.2 (destroys
> > father) and
> > > > > > >Saturn in H.No.6 (destroys Jupiter) was still operational
> > causing early death
> > > > > >of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >father in his 13th year. But the Maharishi himself was safe due
> > to Dharmi
> > > > > >Tewa.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then there is a story that when Ramana Maharishi was young he
> > was sitting
> > > > > > >meditating in a cave when a wild tiger came, but it didn't bite
> > him or harm
> > > > > >him
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >in any way and he was quite safe. This story, if true, is a
> > perfect example of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Dharmi Tewa, don't you think?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > Finn
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Nirmal Kumar" nirbhar@
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Respected Finn,
> > > > > > > > I agree with your view point. This term is used widely by
> > all lalkitab
> > > > > > >astrologers. I have another opinion about this term. In my
> > view, in Dharmi
> > > > > >Teva,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >the behavior of planets remains the same as it would be in a
> > normal horoscope.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The only difference may be there with regards to the
> > application of
> > > > > >remedial
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >measures. In addition, natural help will always be there for
> > native himself.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In the given example of Maharishi's life, at his 13th year
> > of age his
> > > > > >father
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >died & Mother died at when he was 42.
> > > > > > > > He himself lived for 70 years.
> > > > > > > > Therefore as far as the native himself is concerned the
> > behaviour of
> > > > > >planets
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >may have acted in favor of him, but for his relatives the
> > effect of planets
> > > > > >did
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >not changed.
> > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > Nirmal
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Finn Wandahl"
> > <finn.wandahl@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1. rahu/ketu in 4th or with moon in any house.
> > > > > > > > > 2. shani in 11 or with jupiter in any house.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If we read Lal Kitab in a literal manner then it is true
> > these
> > > > > > > > > combinations cause Dharmi Tewa, but perhaps this goes a
> > little deeper. I
> > > > > > > > > like to caution that Jupiter and Saturn may stay in the
> > same sign for a
> > > > > > > > > entire year, and not all horoscopes for such a long period
> > should be
> > > > > > > > > considered as genuine Dharmi Tewa.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In the same way Moon will be with Rahu/ketu for 2½
> > days giving rise
> > > > > > > > > to about 60 different charts, and not all af them should
> > be considered a
> > > > > > > > > real Dharmi Tewa. Many of them are only a kind of Dharmi
> > Tewa.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We need to distinguish between the more general trend like
> > this and the
> > > > > > > > > much more personal and specific trend when the Ascendant
> > is taken into
> > > > > > > > > consideration. Lal Kitab is after all very much an
> > Ascendant-based
> > > > > > > > > system. Please let me illustrate this with an example of a
> > powerful
> > > > > > > > > Dharmi Tewa:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > H.No. 1: Ven
> > > > > > > > > H.No. 2: Merc
> > > > > > > > > H.No. 3: Sun & Rahu
> > > > > > > > > H.No. 5: Jup
> > > > > > > > > H.No. 6: Sat
> > > > > > > > > H.No. 7: Mars
> > > > > > > > > H.No. 9: Moon & Ketu
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Surely this chart has got a Moon/Ketu combination, but why
> > does this
> > > > > > > > > combination turn this chart into a very strong Dharmi
> > Tewa? Let us
> > > > > > > > > analyze it more closely:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1) When H.No. 4 is blank it is very good and because of
> > this H.No. 9,
> > > > > > > > > occupied by the Moon, becomes very strong and benefic.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2) Ketu is twice exalted because of: 1) being in the 9th
> > and 2) being
> > > > > > > > > aspected by Jupiter from H.No.5.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The chart belongs to the late Sri Ramana Maharishi.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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