Respected Sreenadh ji and Members,
Hare Rama Krsna,
Nice review written on LK, any traditional astrologer whenever reads this book first time, similar doubts comes in the mind as you have mentioned.
//"Lalkitab system is nothing but an expert shortcut system to AIA".//
I accept this statement partially. Actually it looks like a personal notebook of an experienced and expert astrologer, noted a collection of thumb rule for any combination he found to be effective at good persentage within his reach of his clientable. Hence it looks like a short-cut.
But actually Its basically works on the principle of visible symptoms of the native.
For say when a patient comes to doctor he verifies clinically symptoms, laboratory reports etc to give his own final statement about the disease.
//For example to know whether there is any problem to the body at the time of birth, we check the signs starting from Aries considering Aries as head, Taurus as face and so on (The base quotes using being "Kalangani varangam anana muro....." from Brihat Jataka and "Kala narasyavayaval purushanam kalpayel presavakale..." from saravali). And also we check the houses starting from Lagna considering Lagna as head, 2nd house as face and so on. (The base quote being "Murtha Asya gala skandha...." found in Jaka Adesa Marga and many other texts). This technique of checking the horoscopes starting from Aries as well as Lagna is used extensively in AIA in almost every situation. Thus in truth the Aries signify lagna and Lagna signify Aries.
Therefore LK system combines these two things into one saying that - the signs should be counted from Lagna. Thus Lagna is considered similar to Aries, 2nd house similar to Taurus, 3rd house similar to Gemini and so on. And this is how the signs gets dropped in LK, but still being used in another way! I would say that it is an excellent shortcut approach, worth studying. (LK at any time does not seems to have given much importance to Nakshatras, so that is not considered here) //
LK has used only standard house and planet relationship, discarding all other panchangas values. This main reason was to bring a coherent relationship between Palm and horoscope.
It is not a short-cut. The centre spread of the palm is divided into 12 House divisions and various line and symbols signifies the relationship between planets and houses. This a very unique concept, a unique theory, to make horoscope from palm, only available with LK This technique we are not finding in AIA, hence we can say due to lack to this type of knowledge in AIA, it is not compatible with AIA. For eg, there is two Mars distinctly mentioned everywhere in LK, 'Mangal Nek' and 'Mangal Badh', non-compatible with the literature of AIA.
The palm basically signifies the mental and emotional states of person or 'Bhava' and appreances of line and symbols indicated the influnce of 'Graha' on the native in the palm, hence only 'Bhava - Graha' relationship is considered in LK.
This theory in LK is further extended to Phrenology, face reading. foot reading, house (home) reading. Horoscopic values are not very important, many time it is overruled by the house-planet relationship indicated by the palm.
//I think this would a good point to introduce the concept of own house, exaltation, debilitation, planet of luck, planet of planet result, and planet of sign result related to every house as per LK and to provide a comparison of that against AIA perspective.
Note: Usually the `planet of luck' is a planet which has either the lordship or exaltation in that house.
//
First of all i will like to say that LK has given some set of rule to find the planet of Luck. (see Khana no.1 in LK-42), The most important factor is that among many planet only that planet which is most 'Qayam' (Stable) becomes the planet of luck. This should be visibily verified through palm, home, face readings, etc. Not only through basic horoscope made through birth details.
35 year dasa cycle itself is unique, 36-years sign dasa cycle is based on fingers \ phalanges divisions.
Neither yogini dasa is used, nor vimsottari direct concept is used.
Intrinsic meaning of exaltation\ debilitation does not at all matches with AIA, even if we consider Kalpurush kundli.
I think LK is the longest approach towards predictive astrology and its unique versatile approach combining, coherently many other streams of astrology into one, makes this un-compatible with AIA due to lack of literature.
//as per Lalkitab planets change significance when they change house. For example Moon in 4th indicate mother, in 6th indicate maternal grand mother, in 8th indicate elder aunt, in 10th younger aunt etc. But may be instead of assuming that planet is changing significance as they change house, we can explain it better if we assume that the house signify such relatives and the results are getting visible through the planets situated there. //
In LK, significance plays a major roles, and above statement is correct as per LK.
//
Beneficial and Maleficial planets: LK does not consider any planet as inherently benefic or malefic. It says that every planet is capable of giving benefic or malefic results. (We should accept that this approach is logically correct and excellent) But this is introduces a new difficulty and complexity, and thus one of the most difficult areas in LK to master. Because there are numerous such rules are there which determine whether a planet is benefic or malefic in the given chart. "Such rules are too many. For each planet there are different rules, depending on which house the planet is and which other planets influence it. These rules are both for benefic and malefic results of that planet." So what makes a planet benefic or malefic as per LK? The answer would be – "The planetary placement and interrelationships of the planets. And most importantly, the jatak's way of life, habits, moral, attitude towards religion, relationships with other family members etc. e.g if some one insults his father, teacher or a purohit his jupiter will act as malefic even if it may be placed in the 4th house [exalted] and so on."
//
This is most important and most complex part of Lal-Kitab. Here what we say check the visible symptoms of the planets, their influence on the native.
//The concept of Dridha and Adhridha results is present in lalkitab system as well. As accepted in AIA Dridha results cannot be modified or changed with remedies but Adridha results can. But there is something special in deciding which are dridha and which are adridha results. Let me explain it a bit. As per LK every house is assigned one or more planets which indicate `planet of sign results' (rasiphal ka grah) and `planet of planet results' (grahaphal ka grah). It is said that `Planet of planet results' indicate dridha results and `planet of sign results' indicate adridha results. The remedies are said to work only for adridha results, i.e. results indicated by `planet of sign results'. Or in other words – "those planets which are considered as of `grah phal' are of dridha results and no upaya can be done for those planets. Those planets which are considered of `rasi phal' in a house are of adhridha results and an upaya can be done for them". //
This is again not easy to find out, many exception are there in the LK.
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I have heard of two persons in Rajasthan one was in Alwar who used to erect horoscope from Palm, even zodiac sign of Lagna, never used birth details, and he kept that secret technique with him. The other one i think was from Bhilwara ( maybe i forgot now).
There are many sisyas of late Archarya Raj (well known palmist and astrologer, gone through LK) in Bikaner, they have their owm set of thumb rules to embrasses anyone, only from a basic horoscope, which is similar to LK.
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The best part to compare LK with AIA is to consider only those verses where only house and planetary relationship is discussed.
There is some literature in AIA where moles and planatary relatioship is discussed that too can be compared with LK.
Other comparision may not be fruitful.
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LK has used many different approach towards remedies, few i am mentioning :
1) like pacifying the Manda planet through donation, sewa (service) etc
2) Symbollically establishing or removing the effect of the planets through their objects. This type of concept is used in yantra-tantra. This is too much confusing and not readily acceptable by AIA.
3) By improving one's nature and refraining from those bad habit as indicated by the LK reading.
4) Sometime making the person very practical like for Jupiter in 10H person should become shrewd else his own people will cheat him everytime due to his generosity.
etc.
Thankyou,
Regards
Vijay Goel
Jaipur
--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "sreesog" <sreesog@...> wrote:
>
> --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "sreesog" sreesog@
> wrote:
> Re: Lalkitab Review - 3
> Dear All,
> In the previous mail I said - "Lalkitab system is nothing but an
> expert shortcut system to AIA". Let me explain why I think so
> considering the listed points one by one.
>
> Point -1
>
> //1) The prime concept to know is that – in lalkitab system
> houses and signs are counted from lagna. i.e. Lagna is treated as Aries,
> 2nd house as Taurus, 3rd house as Gemini and so on, where ever the lagna
> be. //
>
> In AIA while looking for a result we consider both Kalapurusha kundali
> and Natal Kundali - the results is verified by looking from Aries as
> well as lagna. For example to know whether there is any problem to the
> body at the time of birth, we check the signs starting from Aries
> considering Aries as head, Taurus as face and so on (The base quotes
> using being "Kalangani varangam anana muro....." from Brihat Jataka and
> "Kala narasyavayaval purushanam kalpayel presavakale..." from saravali).
> And also we check the houses starting from Lagna considering Lagna as
> head, 2nd house as face and so on. (The base quote being "Murtha Asya
> gala skandha...." found in Jaka Adesa Marga and many other texts). This
> technique of checking the horoscopes starting from Aries as well as
> Lagna is used extensively in AIA in almost every situation. Thus in
> truth the Aries signify lagna and Lagna signify Aries.
>
> Therefore LK system combines these two things into one saying that -
> the signs should be counted from Lagna. Thus Lagna is considered similar
> to Aries, 2nd house similar to Taurus, 3rd house similar to Gemini and
> so on. And this is how the signs gets dropped in LK, but still being
> used in another way! I would say that it is an excellent shortcut
> approach, worth studying. (LK at any time does not seems to have given
> much importance to Nakshatras, so that is not considered here)
>
> But this approach now brings in several difficulties and suitabilities
> which the AIA followers may or may not agree with. Let me list some of
> them below –
>
> // i. Lagna would
> always be treated as the exaltation sign of Su, 2nd house as that of
> Moon, 7th as the exaltation house of Saturn, 4th house of Jupiter, 6th
> house of Mercury and so on. In short exaltation-debilitation etc are all
> relative to houses and not signs. (Signs are only less important in LK).
> This introduces some corollaries -
>
> ii.
> Since Lagna means Aries (where ever the lagna be), Lagna is the
> exaltation sign of Sun, own house of Mars, debilitation house of Saturn
> etc.
>
> iii. As
> evident from the above example the `Kalapurusha chart' concept similar
> to AIA is accepted, but as indicated earlier the head of the kalapurusha
> (and native) starts with the lagna with its feet in the 12th house. //
>
> This brings in interesting situations like the following –
>
> 1) If Sun and Mars are placed in Lagna it is considered beneficial in
> LK since then Sun would be placed in its exaltation house, and Mars in
> its own house, if not they are malefic. (As told earlier there is no
> concept of natural malefic in LK, but instead two types of rules are
> given based on which we need to find whether a planet or combination is
> malefic or benefic - I will speak on this later). But as you know if not
> the Lagna is Aries this would be treated as a bad combination in AIA.
> Similarly Saturn in 7th is considered beneficial (if not malefic) since
> 7th is considered as the exaltation sign of Saturn. But as you know if
> not Lagna is Aries, this would be treated as bad combination in AIA.
>
> I think this would a good point to introduce the concept of own house,
> exaltation, debilitation, planet of luck, planet of planet result, and
> planet of sign result related to every house as per LK and to provide a
> comparison of that against AIA perspective. As per LK -
>
> House No
>
> Own house (Kalapurusha Chart)
>
> Exalted Planet
>
> Bhava Karaka (Pakka Khar)
>
> Planet of Luck
>
> Notes
>
> 1
>
> Ma
>
> Su
>
> Su
>
> Ma
>
> -
>
> 2
>
> Ve
>
> Mo
>
> Ju
>
> Mo
>
> -
>
> 3
>
> Me
>
> Ra
>
> Ma
>
> Me
>
> Rahu is ascribed TWO exalted houses (3rd and 6th) as per LK
>
> 4
>
> Mo
>
> Ju
>
> Mo
>
> Mo
>
> AIA considers Me also as significators for 4th house but LK don't
>
> 5
>
> Su
>
> -
>
> Ju
>
> Su
>
> -
>
> 6
>
> Me, Ke
>
> Me, Ra
>
> Ke
>
> Ra
>
> AIA considers Sa and Ma as significators for 6th house while LK
> considers Ke.
>
> 7
>
> Ve
>
> Sa
>
> Ve, Me
>
> Ve
>
> AIA considers only Ve as significators for 7th house, while LK considers
> both Ve and Me
>
> 8
>
> Ma
>
> -
>
> Ma, Sa
>
> Mo
>
> AIA considers only Sa as significators for 8th house, while LK considers
> both Sa and Ma.
>
> 9
>
> Ju
>
> Ke
>
> Ju
>
> Ju
>
> AIA considers Ju, Su and Me as significators for 9th house, while LK
> considers only Ju
>
> 10
>
> Sa
>
> Ma
>
> Sa
>
> Sa
>
> AIA considers Ju, Su, Me and Sa as the significators for 10th house,
> while LK considers only Sa
>
> 11
>
> Sa
>
> -
>
> Ju
>
> Ju
>
> -
>
> 12
>
> Ju, Ra
>
> Ve, Ke
>
> Ra
>
> Ke
>
> AIA considers Sa as the significator for 12th house, while LK considers
> only Ra
>
> Note: Usually the `planet of luck' is a planet which has either the
> lordship or exaltation in that house. But it is interesting to note
> that for 8th house, Moon which is actually debilitated in the 8th house
> of kalapurusha chart is considered as the planet of luck! Similarly for
> 11th house instead of considering Saturn which has the lordship of 11th
> house, Jupiter which is only a bhava karak for 11th house is treated as
> planet of luck! I wonder why is it so… Also note that Rahu and Ketu
> is also given own house, exaltation, debilitation etc in LK system..
>
> Going back to the concept of Own house, exaltation, planet of luck etc
> even though it is well evident that the above LK concept is a short cut
> system to AIA, the points similar to the following can be debated –
>
> 1) Considering Moon in 8th as good (especially for longevity),
> where as per AIA Moon in 8th is supposed to give big health problems.
>
> 2) Sun and Mars in Lagna being considered as beneficial in LK,
> where as per AIA it is bad.
>
> 3) Mercury and Ketu in 6th - good as per LK and bad as per AIA
>
> 4) Mars and Moon in 8th – good as per LK and bad as per AIA
>
> 5) Jupiter and Rahu in 12th – good as per LK and bad as per AIA
>
> Other proofs for the facts that "LK is an expert shortcut system to AIA"
> I will discuss in the coming mails.
>
> Love and regards,
> Sreenadh
>
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