Dear Kulbir ji,
No one can even dare to think about clipping the wings of our most respected colleague Acharya Maneshwar Singh Kondal ji He is not any ordinary bird, rather he is a Babbar Sher and everybody will think twice even before thinking of touching his tail. I hope that Kondal Sahib will take it as a friendly banter.
Archarya Kondal Sahib, the very existence of this forum is based on the following four strong pillars:
(1). Shri Nirmal Bhardwaj ji
(2). Acharya MS Kondal ji
(3). Sh. Kubir Bains ji
(3). Sh. PK Sharma ji
We need all the pillars intact as strong as ever, because your power of knowledge and experience is the very lifeline of this group. Finally, I render my unconditional apology to Acharya Kondal Sahib in a hope that he will pardon ME if he felt offended in any way.
Sincerely
Yograj Prabhakar
--- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ ...> wrote:
>
> Kondal Sahib, i can understand " kuch to mazbooriyan rahin hongi, yon
> hi koi bewafa nahin hota " kai gal tuhade kis ne par katte ne. Tussin
> kyon nahin bolde. Chalo jo tuhada zameer kahe. Regards. Kulbir.
>
> On 7/30/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal@.. .> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Forwarded Message ----
> > From: maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal@.. .>
> > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> > Cc: maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal@.. .>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:14:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Aakhiri kundli - Another angle
> >
> >
> >
> > dated 30-7-2009
> > parindon ko manzil milengi yakeenan
> > yeh faile hue unke par bolte hai
> >
> > wohi log rehte hai khaamosh aksar
> > zamaane mein jinke hunar bolte hai......
> >
> > charan pranaam to all respected senior members ,and hello to all my
> > colleagues,
> >
> > first of all i will pay my respect and regards to sunil ji for such a
> > deep and nice explanation on the subject.i feel really happy to see how
> > the thinking is changing day by day to a positive side with respect to
> > the teachings of lal kitab amongst the astrologers as well as amateurs.
> >
> > This was the prime goal of this astrostudents group to make people
> > aware of the original books on lal kitab and to ensure that readers
> > apply its actual teachings and guidelines in their routine life and get
> > themselves benefitted in all respects .
> >
> > this is a big achievement towards the realization of the goal for spreading
> > the knowledge of lal kitab and its teachings.
> > may god blesss all the humanity and of course the followers and preachers of
> > lal kitab.
> > once again i thanks sunil ji for his innovativeness and the sincerety for
> > the lal kitab.
> >
> > tufaan ki kami nahi jeevan mein
> > ladte hue safar karna hoga
> > jo milenge zakhm safar-e-rahon mein
> > unhe hi zindagi ka tajurba kehna hoga
> > laakh zakhm khaane par bhi
> > har zakhm naya hoga
> > tajurba kitna hi kyu na ho
> > har safar naya hoga
> >
> > keep it up.
> >
> > Regards,
> > MS KONDAL
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@... >
> > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:25:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Aakhiri kundli - Another angle
> >
> >
> > Respected Sunil Ji,
> > Accept my Salutations for interpreting and interlinking the Last page and
> > First page. This type of study is expected from every lalkitab student like
> > me.I have few apprehensions which i would like to mention below:
> >
> > //
> > Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya
> > the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page
> > no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a
> > reference to the janam kundli of the person
> > //
> >
> > Frankly speaking I could not made it out from Farman. No 1. Your further
> > elaboration in these lines will oblige me.
> >
> > //
> > Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya
> > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first
> > line of the page
> > Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai
> > Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli
> > //
> > May you link up the Grah phal issue with Planetary position in Aakhiri
> > Kundli.
> >
> > I feel that that there is some linking problem between the meaning of
> > a) Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya
> > and
> > b) Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai
> > in my opinion whilea) gives the feeling of a complaint against God,the b) in
> > general is a advisory nature sentence.
> >
> > //
> > c) Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai
> > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second line of
> > the page
> > d) sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai
> > //
> > In my opinion the line c) gives impression that "let me see what He has kept
> > for me as His Last Order. and again d) is a advisory nature line which
> > tells us what This Lal Kitab is meant for the native.
> > What is the astrology for. It is being used for seeking the position of
> > Sukh, Daulat & Umar. Whole science of Lalkitab is teaching us to How to
> > read these. In my view Aakhiri Kundli is the Akhri Farmaan of the Book.
> >
> > //
> > Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal in
> > concern by making faisala kundli
> > //
> >
> > in fact, I find myself unable to decode this from First Armaan rather in
> > whole 1942 book that Aakhiri Kundli be referred to use at every varshphal
> > interpretation. I wish some more in this regard from you as this will help
> > all of us to study the subject further.
> >
> > //
> > Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai kundli ke mutabik
> > accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge.
> > //
> >
> > From your mail i can judge that you have done very comprehensive study of
> > the book. if you remember please tell us whether these lines occurs
> > elsewhere. in Lalkitab at place other than page 384.
> >
> > //
> > Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge.
> > I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which comes
> > twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal
> > varshaphal kundli.
> > //
> >
> > I have different opinion. I feel that this is against the rules. Even Pandit
> > Ji did not follow this method in the example Kundlis. Has this a general
> > rule then Pundit Ji must have mentioned in every book where topic of
> > Varshphal is discussed.
> >
> > //
> > Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , kulbir ji,
> > umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is incomplete
> > as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are playing key
> > part in this Faisala kundli.
> > //
> >
> > You are right .As per the rules illustrated in the kundli, Su & Me should be
> > there. Is this required or left intentionaly or by Publlisher, I cannot
> > comment because in such type of situationthe clarification can only be given
> > by the Author or the person equivalent to His rank. I am a kid as far as
> > Lalkitab is concerned.
> > .
> > I have seen rarely such type of innovative mails in group discussions.
> > Please Keep it up. Your contributions are urgently required in the group.
> >
> > Regards
> > Nirmal
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:29 PM, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >>Sunil ji, sun and mercury are not key planets as they don't repeat
> >>>themselves. There is ample material on record where all possible
> >>>angles have been explained. Now it is for the individual to choose
> >>>what he thinks best. Regards. Kulbir.
> >>
> >>
> >>>On 7/29/09, sunil.ailawadi15067 4 <sunil.ailawadi1506 7 4@yahoo.co. in>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Respected Nirmalji,
> >>>>
> >>>> I am a scholar of revered lal kitab who is trying to learn A.B.C. of lal
> >>>> kitab from everything and everyone in the best possible way. I don't
> >>>> know
> >>>> how much my attempt is in right direction but as per my little knowledge
> >>>> which i gathered from the mails published of respected prabhakar ji,
> >>>> kulbir
> >>>> ji, bhatia ji, kondal ji, lalkitabee ji, umeshji, punitji and many other
> >>>> respected and responsible personalities like u to this group.
> >>>> I would like to give my point of view for aakhiri kundli
> >>>>
> >>>> If u look for the very first line which is
> >>>>
> >>>> Yaar ki yari se talluk hai
> >>>> uske aib se nahi
> >>>>
> >>>> here it is referred to masnoi greh as we are more concerned about the
> >>>> good
> >>>> part of any greh rather then its bad part.after reading my opinion
> >>>> kindly go
> >>>> through these two lines once again.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya
> >>>> the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page
> >>>> no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a
> >>>> reference to the janam kundli of the person
> >>>>
> >>>> Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya
> >>>> the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first
> >>>> line of the page
> >>>> Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai
> >>>> Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli
> >>>>
> >>>> Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai
> >>>> the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second
> >>>> line of
> >>>> the page
> >>>> sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai
> >>>> Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal
> >>>> in
> >>>> concern by making faisala kundli
> >>>>
> >>>> Aakhiri kundli
> >>>> Pehle gharon mein varsh phal ke greh baad ke gharon mein janam kundli ke
> >>>> greh aur uss kundli ke number 10 mein dhokhe ke greh likhenge natija
> >>>> neez
> >>>> faisla hoga.Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai
> >>>> kundli ke
> >>>> mutabik accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge.
> >>>> i feel this is the way of making final kundli for every year's
> >>>> varshaphal
> >>>> other than what we study as normal varshaphal. it is very important to
> >>>> read
> >>>> about Dhoke ka Grah in addition to varsh phal kundli.A table is given in
> >>>> the
> >>>> book on page no.72 of 1942 transliteration to find out dhoke ka grah in
> >>>> every year of life based on janam kundli. From this final kundli we can
> >>>> check out for the greh(which comes twice) who are going to play a lead
> >>>> role
> >>>> in the person's kundli and are definately going to give there results
> >>>> whether good or bad as far as the kismat for that person is concerned
> >>>> for
> >>>> that certain year's varshaphal
> >>>>
> >>>> Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge.
> >>>> I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which
> >>>> comes
> >>>> twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal
> >>>> varshaphal kundli.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji , kulbir
> >>>> ji,
> >>>> umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is
> >>>> incomplete
> >>>> as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are playing
> >>>> key
> >>>> part in this Faisala kundli.
> >>>>
> >>>> Being a student with very little knowledge . I request all the senior
> >>>> respected members to forgive me for my mistakes as I am still in the
> >>>> learning process of revered lal kitab and I humbly request all the
> >>>> respected
> >>>> members mentioned above to correct me for the 7th house sun and budh in
> >>>> faisala kundli.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>> Sunil Ailawadi
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>>Sent from my mobile device
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Sent from my mobile device
>
