Astrostudents-Group Discussions: [astrostudents] Re: Ashok ji; why study astrology?

Shukla ji,
I don't know you and i don't care either.
All i want to say is attacking someone on basis of his/her background, culture, religion, country etc is absolutely ridiculous thing to do.
Pt. ji hasn't mentioned anywhere about jaat-paat or any restrictions on a foreigner to read lal kitab.
In my eyes Mr. Wandahl is more indian than yourself.

And please care to explain who gave you the title of "pandit lal kitabee"??

Mind you i don't know anyone in this group and i am not taking any personal enemity or settling personal scores, all i want is everyone to be treated fairly.

If we can't even do that then please STOP LECTURING ABOUT SPIRITUALITY.

Jitin Syal

--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "lalkitabee" <lalkitabee@...> wrote:
>
> Res Mr. Wandahl,
> Ur views are really very illustrative & u also indicated about the history of astro-shastra,but the person like me do not depends on the sources,which were provided by any persian,chinese or christian scholar only.Beside explaining more in words,I want to inform u that Bhartiya Gyaan Peeth is an authentic publication by Indian govt for researchers ,so the book named "BHARTIYA JYOTISH" written by DR.NEMICHAND SHASTRI, PUBLISHED BY BHARTIYA GYAAN PEETH is more authentic for the history of this Bhartiya Jyotish.Ur reading says that it is not older that 500 years & my reading says ,it is 28000 years old in india.U can get references regarding this in that book.I found it at page no. 8 of that book according RIGVED & SHATPATH BRAHMAN. U also agree with SHATPATH BRAHMAN, bcoz as per ur website "Brahman is real,
> the Universe is unreal,
> Brahman is the Universe.( It can be raised as a topic that u might not accept SHATPATH BRAHMAN also so much old)
> I do not want to fall in this controversy bcoz this will lead us nowhere.It is the bad luck of India that invaders were attracted to this country & tried to ruin treasure of our sages.So leave this controversy please, because it will be the topic of our Identity & devotion to our sages, for which we will depend on our revered forefathers at all.We cant depend like Maxmooler, Keeth,Peterson or Vallentine etc.only, even they were the best scholars of Sanskrit & Vedas.
> We are discussing at lalkitab & if each of this group follow as per ur evidencial way ,the name of Pt.Roopchand Joshi ji also will be futile with Lalkitab,bcoz it was published with the name of Pt.Girdhari Lal Ji & Pandit Roop Chand Ji is not present phisically to claim on it.No-one of this group accept this fact,bcoz the truth has been established by some revered members. In the same way our revered forfathers also established about Maharishis & spirituality in Vedas as wel as astrology shastra also. Though u want to continue discussion,then no doubt I & many like me will consider ur views as blasphemy.U can understand that no discussion can go ahead at the sake of our forefathers & their verdicts.
> With Regards
> Pt.Lalkitabee
> V.Shukla
> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Finn Wandahl" <finn.wandahl@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Mr. V. Shukla,
> >
> > Unfortunately there are many illusions connected to Hindu astrology, and
> > many of these illusions have emerged because of a mix-up between
> > astrology and religion. This have given rise to all sorts of
> > misunderstandings regarding the chronology and the origin of the
> > different astrological texts of Hindu astrology.
> >
> > The mere fact that a certain text-book has been named after some Vedic
> > Sage, does not necessarily mean that this Sage was actually the author
> > of that text.
> >
> > Even though many people believe a text like Brihat-Parasara-Hora-Shastra
> > to be more than 4,000 years old, a critical analysis of the
> > sanskrit-text and the content itself for anachronism, etc. indicate it
> > to be hardly more than some 500 years old.
> >
> > The Persian astronomer/astrologer Al Biruni was a great sanskrit-scholar
> > and he visited India around the year 1,000AD. In his book India he has
> > carefully mentioned all the astrological text know at that time, there
> > was Saravali, Brihat Jataka and many other famous texts. However, he did
> > not mention BPHS, which is supposed to be the most important of all the
> > text. Had it been in exixtance he would undoubtedly have mentioned it.
> >
> > Obviously BPHS is a compendium consisting of all kinds of disconnected
> > astrological material that was indiscriminately collected and written
> > together somewhere around the 16th century AD, probably in two parts
> > over a period of around 100 years.
> >
> > It is possible BPHS was supposed to have been included as a part of
> > Vishnu Purana. This is actually very possible since VP had been changed
> > so many times already and both VP and BPHS are framed as a conversation
> > between Sage Parasara and his disciple Maitriya. There are so many
> > textual similarities between the two works.
> >
> > I do not share the general admiration about BPHS. I find it to be full
> > of disconnected fragments of astrological methods and full of
> > contradictions. I think perhaps its similarity with Vishnu Purana is was
> > has made it so famous, and made so many believe it was written by the
> > great Vedic sage Parasara himself 4,000 years ago.
> >
> > I have publicly advocated against these illusions and many Hindu
> > astrologers considered these opinions of mine like blasphemy. I however
> > believe it is wise of us to keep an open, critical mind and not become
> > to "religious" about these things.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Finn Wandahl
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, lalkitabee <lalkitabee@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Res Mr. Wandahl & Yograj ji
> > > It is not fare at all.Both of u completely vanished the spirituality
> > not only of Lalkitab but the whole of astrology also.Even lalkitab is
> > also a astrological script but which book itself indicates about- 9
> > NIDHI & 12 SIDDHI, NATURAL SECRET IN "BAND MUTTHI", THE HIDDEN TREASURE
> > OF NEW BORNED. BUT (STATUE) SE ROOH NE APNA GHAR KYON POOCHH LIYAA,
> > JHAGDAA ROOH AUR MAAYA KA , etc. How u can neglect these lines from
> > spiritual touch of this book.Astro Shastra itself is a 2nd mandatory
> > part of the system to understand the VEDAS. & what are VEDAS ,needn't to
> > explain.Lalkitab is also a chain of ASTROSHASTRA.
> > > The views of u seem the result of the thought of Western vs
> > Indian.The spirituality is the base of the whole Indian culture as wel
> > as it reflects in Lalkitab also.No-one bothers in India that spiritual
> > words can be announced only in Mandir or Church or Masjid etc.Indian
> > culture has spirituality in whole livings & non-livings & at each
> > step.The thorough knowledge base of Indian culture inspires to achieve
> > CHATURVARG-PHAL-PRAPTI & its peak level has adviced to get MOKSHA.So all
> > of our knowledge base is to get rid from "LAKH-CHAURASI" & in this
> > process materialistic world is in between. So,If someone wants to study
> > Indian vedic astrology then it has to be in the context of Indian ethos
> > which is basically spiritual in character.
> > > Res Wandahl Ji u have also knowledge of vedic & jaimini astrology.I
> > want to say that these also were written by MAHARISHI PARASHAR,
> > MAHARISHI PINGAL, MAHARISHI JAIMINI etc. No-one has called as Doctor
> > Parashar, Dr. PINGAL or Dr. Jaimini. Which data of knowledge as such
> > originated by Maharishis, that how can be only a normal scripture, It is
> > itself is a proof to proove this, as spiritual.
> > > Res yograj Ji, aap is kitaab ko sirf ek novil ka naam de rahey
> > hain. Yah baat aur hai ki ise bataur noval baar baar padhne ke liye bola
> > gayaa hai ,lekin iska gyaan ek Novil ki kahani ke barabar kabhi bhi nahi
> > kahaa ja saktaa. Jis kitab main Pitri Rin,Matri Rin jaise topics ko liya
> > gayaa hai, jis kitab main antar alop ki leharon ka jikra hai, jis kitab
> > main dono bhavon ke beech Guru-sthan ya gurudwar ka jikra kiya gaya hai,
> > jise aam taur par Brahm-sthan bhi kahaa jataa hai ,uske adhyatmik pehloo
> > ko kisi bhi tarah se nakaaraa nahi ja saktaa.
> > > Aur to aur jis kitab main shuru main hee likhaa ho "RASHI 12 MAIN
> > 7 GRAH SE NARAK CHAURASI KAT-TA HAI" is se badaa saboot aur kyaa hogaa
> > iske spiritual hone ka ? Agar meri baat buri lagi ho to muafi ki arz hai
> > aapse.
> > > With Regards
> > > Pt.Lalkitabee
> > > V.Shukla
> > >
> >
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