Astrostudents-Group Discussions: Re: [astrostudents] Knock Knock

Dear Kulbir Ji,
As far as the making of Kundli, Me also had mixed point of view a few years earlier. But during the detailed perusal of the texts,I have come to the conclusion the This book is based on Palmistry.As i already written in previous mails that If we look into the title of the book we will find that in every book it is said that it is palmistry base. I reproduce the original title of each book

1. 1939 Edition: the title of the book ,transliteration of the contents as taken exactly from 1939 book:-

"Hatheli Ki Lakeeron se teva (tipda) Janm Kundli banaane aur zindagi ke poorey haalaat dekhney ke liye Samudrik Ki Lalkitab sn-1939"

Translation of above in English can be

"Lalkitab 1939 of samudrik - To make the horoscope with the help of lines of Palm and to know the conditions of life "

2. 1940 Edition: the title of the book ,transliteration of the contents as taken exactly from book:-

"Hatheli Ki Lakeeron se teva (tipda) Janm Kundli banaane aur zindagi ke poorey haalaat dekhney ke liye Samudrik Ki Lalkitab ke armaan sn-1940"

Translation of above in English can be

"Lalkitab ke armaan 1940 of samudrik - To make the horoscope with the help of lines of Palm and to know the conditions of life "

3. 1941 Edition: the title of the book ,transliteration of the contents as taken exactly from book:-

"Hatheli Ki Lakeeron se teva (tipda) Janm Kundli banaane aur zindagi ke poorey haalaat dekhney ke liye Samudrik Ki Lalkitab teesra hissa sn-1941"

Translation of above in English can be

"Lalkitab teesra hissa 1941 based upon samudrik - To make the horoscope with the help of lines of Palm and to know the conditions of life "

1942 Edition: title of the book ,transliteration of the contents as taken exactly from book:-

"Hatheli Ki Lakeeron se teva (tipda) Janm Kundli banaane aur zindagi ke poorey haalaat dekhney ke liye ilam Samudrik Ki Lalkitab tarmeem shuda sn-1942"

Translation of above in English shall be

"Corrected Lalkitab 1942 based upon samudrik - To make the horoscope with the help of lines of Palm and to know the conditions of life "

4. 1952 Edition: the title of the book ,transliteration of the contents as taken exactly from book:-

"(Astrology Based upon Palmistry) - ilam Samudrik Ki buniyad per chalney waley Jyotish kee madad se haath rekha ke zariye darust kee huyi Janm Kundli se zindagi ke haalaat dekhney ke liye Lalkitab sn-1952"

Translation of above in English can be

"(Astrology Based upon Palmistry) Lalkitab -1952 -To know the conditions of life with the help of the Jyotish that is based on Horoscope which is corrected with the help of palmistry "
You are right other factors are also there. But most of the factors are useful in teva durusti not for making Janm kundli.
For example, from Ilam qyafa we can know the that native is influenced by which planet most and which planet properties are deficient in it. From House Kundlis we can verify the effect of planet position as per kundli. The planet normally give its indication in house as per house kundli.
therefore for making natal kundli only two methods are best in order
by palmistry -by Birth time.
I always recommend to newcomers to try to learn the method of using palmistry for making Kundli because fresh mind can learn it better than the old minds like mine.
This is what I learned so far from my studies so far as far as making of natal kundli.I wish you add your experience in this context for the benefit of others and amateurs like me.
Regards
Nirmal

On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:03 PM, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@gmail.com> wrote:

Nirmal ji, i beg to differ. Why do you confine to astro palmistry
alone. What about other parameters. For instance as per gutka Budh 3
placement of articles in 9th and 11th house have been given overriding
powers. Vaastu and other categories for verification are also
important. Why are u over obssessed with palmistry part alone at the
cost of other parameteres. Regards. Kulbir.

On 7/12/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Arora ji,
> //1. Tewa Drusti is step #1. However, if someone is very sure of DATE, EXACT
> TIME AND PLACE and has a proper computerized horoscope... This step may be
> avoided for sake of planetary positions. Right?
>> However, to check if a planet is benefic or malefic in a given house, that
>> can be checked w.r.t predictions for given planetary postion. Right? //
>
> Tewa durusti remains the step-I even if one have exact time upto
> milliseconds.The lalkitab is having Astro-palmistry system. the treasure
> brought by native in his closed palms(bund Muthi) plays the important role
> and is the ultimate. To keep ourselves nearer to the palmistry durusti is
> required. If one is familiar with making horoscope with the help of
> palmistry(lines, signs etc) then there may not be any need for doing
> durusti. Palms never tell wrong.
>
> For rest of the paras I agree with your point.
> It is good beginning. Keep it up.
> Regards
> Nirmal
> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "buntyarora2626" <AroraBN@...> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Sirs,
>>
>> I have been trying to spend sometime on the sacred LalKitabs...
>> I know it is not easy... I have gone through many messages in this group
>> advising numerous readings, lot of commitment and sipirtual maturity to
>> understand the book and the wealth of knowledge therein.
>> ("Got to Die ... if one desires Heaven....")
>>
>> May I still have Guru-jan's patience to confirm something very basic and
>> fundamental... Just to check if I am groping in dark or Am I in right
>> direction...
>>
>> Assumptions at back of my mind while relating a horoscope with lalkitab...
>>
>> 1. Tewa Drusti is step #1. However, if someone is very sure of DATE, EXACT
>> TIME AND PLACE and has a proper computerized horoscope... This step may be
>> avoided for sake of planetry positions. Right?
>> However, to check if a planet is benefic or malefic in a given house, that
>> can be checked w.r.t predictions for given planetary postion. Right?
>>
>> 2. The planets in different houses in Janam Kundali are refered with
>> respect to Lal Kitab predictions and they form the basis of... 'what life
>> unfolds for us.' i.e Janam Kundli planets have maximum significance for...
>> 'what becomes of us in future.' (off-course after understanding the
>> complexity of combinations, aspects etc)
>>
>> 3. Varshphal Kundli planets have only temporary affect... only to the
>> extent of what is indicated by janam kundli planet positions. The
>> predictions of 'permanent nature' in varshaphal positions may not apply.
>>
>> Example - Shani in house #6 of janam kundli ... states "after 42 years it
>> brings real prosperity"...(off-course assuming it satisfies all the Sat #6
>> conditions). In that case, although Shani will move to different houses
>> during 1 to 41 years... and may have much better positions and
>> predictions. But, Janam Kundli prediction will rule over it. Correct?
>>
>> I know above is too much of a short cut and there might be many jewels
>> hiding in so many other pages of Lalkitabs.... which may nullify above
>> analysis. Something like 'Dharmai Tewa' which might be covered separately
>> and not in planetry positions / predictions...
>>
>> My idea here is just to understand... if there is any light at the end of
>> the tunnel... I am in?
>>
>> Hope seniors / masters will understand my viewpoint...
>>
>> Please ignore if someone doesn't like my idea of using words like
>> 'sacred'... 'predictions' etc.
>>
>> Please enlighten.
>>
>> best regards,
>>
>> Bunty Arora
>> +91 99670 50849
>>
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