Dear Kulbir ji
First of all, I strongly object to the conspiracy initiated by you and Jitin against me to deprive me of the title "The Dumbest". Mind you, I am the most eligible person for this title in the field of Lal Kitab.
Since I have nothing to do with this spirituality thing, I am unable to comment on that. But "je ghoDi chaDhaya nee – taan chaDhdey taan batherey dekhey hi ney. So I would humbly like to convey to my learned colleagues in the forum that in my view spirituality in not like boasting of "having" something special, rather it's a process of becoming the absolute ZERO. I believe that this Zero status can be achieved without possessing anything special, but an open mind. I know many such people who are living in this materialistic world but still possess the high degree of this quality.
Now, a few words about Guru. My dear friends, a Guru is not necessarily a human being. An ideology, an idea, a theory, even a good saying can be one's Guru. Moreover in my personal humble opinion, those whom Pundit jee has selected to spread the knowledge of divine Lal Kitab, those who are fortunate enough to touch these sacred scriptures, do not require any other Guru or Sad-Guru for the matter, or did they?
I don't know what the spirituality or Guru means to others. But I expect every true Lal kitab student to be a broad minded like Pundit jee and always ready to share. I hate the tendency of "chunj Dubowan – par lukowan" adopted by some of our exalted colleagues. No one should feel himself free of his sacred duties after writing a few mails in the group, it is a perpetual process and everybody has to work hard to complete the task assigned by Pundit jee. So my dear friends, no half measure will do. Further propagation of such fatal tendencies will lead us to nowhere.
I read all the beautiful posts, and the following is my observation:
(1). whatever Mr Sumit has written, reflects whatever he has been "Taught".
(2). whatever Mr Jitin has expressed, indicates whatever he has "Learned".
(3). whatever Mr Kulbir has written, clearly shows whatever he has "Learned and experienced"
(4). Whatever Acharya MS Kondal sahib has written is the part and parcel of his "Basic training".
(5). and whatever I have expressed in the above lines is, whatever I "felt".
I will share those interesting fables on an appropriate time as desired by you.
Sincerely
Yograj Prabhakar
--- In astrostudents@
>
> Syal ji, i am the dumbest, don't have a Satguru so i know totally
> nothing about Sumeet ji's method but it has an appeal moresoever when
> Kondal Sahib's endorses. U asked Where to sign for sure shot remedies?
> I can only share my practical experience. Remedial portion involves an
> extra dimension. Prabhakar ji is a guru. He explained this dimension
> by telling a mythological story of Ek Pathi Ek Munda. These fables
> might not have actually happenned but the essence is a saar of
> observation of thousands of years which the seers observed. I come
> from a rural background so i understood it in punjabi. I don't have
> any forbiddance from his side to hide anything that i got from him.
> But i would like him to translate it and send it in english also the
> story of Buggla phadna and Syani Jethani Kamali Dewarani. Because
> translation by 2nd person is not that effective. If he refuses then i
> will do so without even asking for his permission. Let me explain the
> reason for this also Lord Buddha prophecised that he will be
> reincarnated in our/this present time by the name of MAITRAY people
> are waiting for him. Some spiritual sects even experimented to bring
> his soul in a body. Even a young boy (J Krishnamurthy'
> died in this process. BUT WHAT LORD BUDDHA MEANT TO CONVEY TO HIS
> DISCIPLES WAS THAT GURU IN THESE TIMES WILL BE A FRIEND this is actual
> meaning that he conveyed by MAITRAY. So Prabhakar ji and Senior
> members of this and other lalkitab groups are like maitray guru to me.
> Prabhakar ji being one of those with whom i quarrell with, abuse him,
> yet i recieve his blessings his doors are always open knowing very
> well what guru dakshina i have to offer. So i request him to tell
> himself these in larger interest. Otherwise i am always at ur service.
> Regards . Kulbir.
>
> On 6/27/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@
> > Kulbir ji,
> > I don't know sumit ji and his caliber and neither do i doubt it. i just know
> > one thing i am probably the dumbest student in this group and nowhere near
> > as any one else here.
> > but don't you think he needs to know the true meaning of life before
> > touching/ "being one" with god?
> >
> > He is saying that "naam-jaap" is the only true way to success,if that's the
> > case........
> >
> > Regards
> > Jitin Syal
> >
> > --- In astrostudents@
> >>
> >> Syal ji, u r right, two concepts should be clear 1. Meaning of success
> >> 2. Explanation about the methodology. Lets hope Sumeet ji explains.
> >> His explanation of horoscope matching is simply amazing. It shows that
> >> he has a very high calibre. He writes 81 in his id. As per my
> >> assumption if that is his birth year then such knowledge at this age
> >> is a karishma. He indeed is a blessed soul. Regards. Kulbir.
> >>
> >> On 6/26/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@
> >> > Kulbir paaji,
> >> > I always feel that we(humans) are here to balance our negative,
> >> > positives
> >> > from previous births. if someone doesn't have something in this world he
> >> > is
> >> > just paying for his sins or vice versa. Even Pt. ji has left the "greh
> >> > phal"
> >> > planets untouched as somethings can't be changed.
> >> >
> >> > I totally agree that, any unnecessary intervention with Almighty's plan
> >> > WILL
> >> > backfire, hence my point was to ask sumit ji to elaborate their
> >> > option/way
> >> > one where he has predicted a "sure shot" at success.
> >> >
> >> > yours sincerely
> >> > Jitin Syal
> >> >
> >> > --- In astrostudents@
> >> >>
> >> >> Syal ji, sumeet ji will answer ur querry. I would like to share a
> >> >> fact. After world war the ratio of male child increased dramatically
> >> >> as compared to female child. 1600 : 1000. Secondly determination of
> >> >> gender at conception has parameters that are generally beyond human
> >> >> control. But still nature has maintained the balance that life goes
> >> >> on. Imagind a scenario if only male or only female child continued say
> >> >> for even a century. But it has not happenned. Why? There is a divine
> >> >> scheme, jyotish is a tool to understand it. This divine scheme and
> >> >> individual interests creat a confusion. Upaya may be suggessted but
> >> >> the upayagar should have knowledge of the divine scheme. Unneccessary
> >> >> intervention will not yield results in the first place and if does
> >> >> somebody is going to pay for it. Written very clearly in lalkitab.
> >> >> Guru is a kind of superimposition on a person's mind to keep him ever
> >> >> alert. Regards. Kulbir.
> >> >>
> >> >> On 6/25/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@
> >> >> > Sumit ji,
> >> >> > Are you saying that option one is a gauranteed success/remedial
> >> >> > measure
> >> >> > without any risk of "backfire" or loss of spirituality?
> >> >> > if so, please elaborate further.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards
> >> >> > Jitin Syal
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- In astrostudents@
> >> >> > <sumitbansal_
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Respected All,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It is indeed a pleasure in itself to see and read such a beautiful
> >> >> >> topic
> >> >> >> related to Astrology which clearly outlines the true nature and
> >> >> >> objective
> >> >> >> of Astrology. Kondalji has given us a marvelous insight in the basic
> >> >> >> idea
> >> >> >> towards the mere existance of the Jyotish Shastra. It is righly said
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> Jyotish is the "ISHVARIYA JYOTI" and is a guiding light of each and
> >> >> >> every
> >> >> >> human being towards achieving the "Ultimate Goal" - to become "One"
> >> >> >> with
> >> >> >> the GOD by providing the means to initiate the purification process
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> "Chitt" and "Mann".
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> However, even when there are millions of human beings taking birth
> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> this
> >> >> >> planet earth, not even one percent of them ever think about the
> >> >> >> reason
> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >> why are they born and what is the specific task assigned to them by
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> one Supreme God and which is the specific path, he/she has to tread
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> order to achieve or fulfill that specific task?
> >> >> >> And the saddest part of the story is that by the time one realizes
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> need and authenticity of these questions, there is not enough time
> >> >> >> left
> >> >> >> for him to achieve the set goal. A very famous Bollywood Song has
> >> >> >> rightly
> >> >> >> described this situaltion in the following lines:
> >> >> >> "Ladakpan Khel Mein Khoya,
> >> >> >> Jawaani Neend Bhar Soya,
> >> >> >> Burhahpa Dekh Kar Roya,
> >> >> >> Yehi Kissa Puraana Hai."
> >> >> >> But Jyoish is that devine light which can help an individual by
> >> >> >> breaking
> >> >> >> the spell of his slumber just as the light of the morning sun awakes
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> sleeping person.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Spiritualism oozes from each and every aspect of Jyotish Shastra.
> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> only
> >> >> >> consideration is the "View Point" or "Nazar" by which anyone looks
> >> >> >> at
> >> >> >> it.
> >> >> >> To illustrate, I can provide a very simple example of "Horoscope
> >> >> >> Matching".
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Every human being has some kind of desire(s) present in his heart
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> these desires then lead to the formation of "Aasha" and "Trishna".
> >> >> >> This
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> turn leads to the creation of the "Karma" which ultimately culminate
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> the formation of "Paap" and "Punya". These Paap and Punya are the
> >> >> >> deciding
> >> >> >> factors of the type and quality of the next life which this jeevatma
> >> >> >> has
> >> >> >> to undergo.
> >> >> >> Now the ultimate Goal of any individual is to become one with GOD or
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> attain the state of "Adwait" and this can only be done by the
> >> >> >> purification
> >> >> >> of "Chitt" and "Mann" which can be attained by the purification of
> >> >> >> "Karma"
> >> >> >> and this is the exact point where Jyotish comes into play.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Anyone can Purify the Karmas in Two Ways, either using both or any
> >> >> >> one
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> the two. And the two ways are:
> >> >> >> 1. Naam Jaap - where the "Naam" is given by a "Sat-Guru" and the
> >> >> >> "Sat-Guru" himself is guiding the person.
> >> >> >> 2. Dividing or Cutting his Atma into few smaller pieces and then
> >> >> >> purifying them one by one.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "YES, ATMA CAN ALSO BE CUT." and this is the ultimate truth of the
> >> >> >> spirituality which if understood properly, will describe as how the
> >> >> >> GOD
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> keeping himself alive or "Amar". I cannot describe more here due to
> >> >> >> "Guru
> >> >> >> Agya" but, the only hint I can give is that a "Sperm" or "Beej"
> >> >> >> created
> >> >> >> inside the human body is as much living as we are and we all are
> >> >> >> made
> >> >> >> from
> >> >> >> this "Sperm" and we all have atma. Female Egg can only provide the
> >> >> >> breeding ground for this so called "Beej" but, cannot impart the
> >> >> >> "Atma"
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> the "Beej". So, where does this "Atma" comes into the "Beej" ????
> >> >> >> Yes,
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> guessed it right, it is the "Ansh" of our own "Atma". And in this
> >> >> >> particular sense, each Father is just like "Param-Atma" to his
> >> >> >> offspring.
> >> >> >> So, it is the atma of the Father which is cut into pieces everytime
> >> >> >> sperms
> >> >> >> leaves his body. "No further explanation on this part can be given
> >> >> >> here
> >> >> >> due to the sensitivity of the topic"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Now, if you are using the option "One" only then it is "Okay" in all
> >> >> >> sense. However, if you are using the Option "Two" or "Both the
> >> >> >> options",
> >> >> >> then there is a catch that the "Ansh" or "Beej of your Atma" might
> >> >> >> not
> >> >> >> get
> >> >> >> a proper breeding ground which might result into creation of more
> >> >> >> desire
> >> >> >> in the Beej due to lack of the proper "Nutrients" which a Beej might
> >> >> >> take
> >> >> >> from Mother which will again create "Aasha" and "Trishna" and so on
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> "Paap" and "Punya". And if this happens, then, the Beej again has to
> >> >> >> go
> >> >> >> through the complete cycle of "Chauraasi".
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> As explained above, the so called "Nutrients" are nothing but the
> >> >> >> "Guna"
> >> >> >> of the Mother and the "Actual Requirement of the Beej" is the "Guna"
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> the Father. So, if there is a mismatch between the two, then the
> >> >> >> Option
> >> >> >> Two is bound to fail which will create more distress in the human
> >> >> >> society.
> >> >> >> AND TO BE HONEST, OPTION TWO IS THE ONE WHICH IS BEING USED IN A
> >> >> >> VERY
> >> >> >> VERY
> >> >> >> VERY LARGE PROPORTION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE ACTUAL TRUTH BEHIND
> >> >> >> THE
> >> >> >> USE OF THIS OPTION. AND ONLY JYOTISH IS CAPABLE OF RECTIFYING THIS
> >> >> >> MISTAKE
> >> >> >> OF MAN AND SHOWING AS HOW TO BEGET WORTHY CHILDREN BY PROPER
> >> >> >> MATCHING
> >> >> >> OF
> >> >> >> SOIL AND SEED.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> This clearly shows the Criticality as why Horoscope Matching is so
> >> >> >> important and the undefiable relationship between Jyotish and
> >> >> >> Aadhyatam.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In the end I can only say that Option One is the only True Option as
> >> >> >> Option Two is just like using a shortcut which has the reputation of
> >> >> >> "Backfiring Percentage" set at 99.99% as the Jyotish Shastra is not
> >> >> >> being
> >> >> >> used as required. No one literally know as how to implement the
> >> >> >> jyotish
> >> >> >> shastra. All just know one thing and that is how to do the upai and
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> also incorrect. If you are playing with gun loaded bullets, and you
> >> >> >> don't
> >> >> >> know how to use the gun properly, then at least cover yourself with
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> bulletproof dress first. Providing or telling Upai of something so
> >> >> >> much
> >> >> >> spiritual will only erode you spiritually unless and untill you have
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> required "Guru Kripa".
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I tender my apologies for being rude or harsh. My purpose of writing
> >> >> >> this
> >> >> >> was not to offend anyone but to provide the exact scenario as what
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> being done and what could it lead to. If I have hurt the feelings of
> >> >> >> anyone, then please ask yourself, "Do you really have the required
> >> >> >> Bullet-Proof Suite?" You will get the answer yourself. The Supreme
> >> >> >> God
> >> >> >> speakes from the very inside of your "Chitt" or "Ghat-Mandir"
> >> >> >> Listen
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> him and you will get the answer.....
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Whatever I have learned from my revered Guruji is as under:
> >> >> >> "Guru Kripa Se Hai Mila,
> >> >> >> Jiska Naam Sunaam.
> >> >> >> Ghat Ghat Mein Bole Jo Sabke,
> >> >> >> Hai Woh Atma Ram."
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> >> Sumit Bansal.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --- In astrostudents@
> >> >> >> <mskondal@>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > date:18-6-2009
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > hello kulbir ji,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > first of
> >> >> >> > all let me thank u for discussing such a vital point in astrology
> >> >> >> > or
> >> >> >> > everybody life that why and for what we are doing any job as
> >> >> >> > quoted
> >> >> >> > by
> >> >> >> > u that why we are using or doing astrology.this is a very crucial
> >> >> >> > point
> >> >> >> > and i will try to contribute from myside what ever i know openly
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > would like everybody to share their views on this topic because
> >> >> >> > this
> >> >> >> > is
> >> >> >> > directly related to our spiritual enlightenment and getting in
> >> >> >> > touch
> >> >> >> > with god.this topic is never ending and i request all members to
> >> >> >> > keep
> >> >> >> > on writing their true experiences and findings regarding spiritual
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > worldly astrology and try to differentiate between the two.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > as kulbir ji has quoted from osho's book the words
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > jyotish
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > sampooranta
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > ekta
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > advait
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > all these words are self explanatry
> >> >> >> > but if we start explaining them then we will become short of words
> >> >> >> > but
> >> >> >> > i would say that if we compile all these in one word we can say
> >> >> >> > these
> >> >> >> > are the qualities of one and only one supreme and that is the
> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE
> >> >> >> > GOD.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > ACTUALLY WE ARE THE JEEVATMAS AND
> >> >> >> > ARE PART OF THE SUPREME LORD AND DUE TO VARIOUS JANAMAS AND BIRTHS
> >> >> >> > LOT
> >> >> >> > OF MISCONCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN ENGRAVED IN OUR MINDS AND BECAUSE OF
> >> >> >> > OUR
> >> >> >> > SANCHIT KARMAS AND DUE TO PRARABDH WE ARE GETTING BIRTHS AGAIN AND
> >> >> >> > AGAIN AND GETTING DETACHED FROM THE SUPREME DAY BY DAY TO FULFIL
> >> >> >> > OUR
> >> >> >> > WORLDLY DEEDS,WHICH ULTIMATELY LAND US NOWHERE ELSE THAN REBIRTH
> >> >> >> > TO
> >> >> >> > FULFIL OUR DESIRES AND WE GET USED TO THE RE BIRTH CYCLE AND CARRY
> >> >> >> > ON
> >> >> >> > AND FORGET OUR TRUE HOME THAT IS NONE OTHER THAN THE SUPREME
> >> >> >> > FATHER
> >> >> >> > GOD.BUT
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > REMEBER ONE THING
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > HE WHO GIVES ,GIVES,GIVES,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > AND
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > WHO GETS, GETS, GETS, GETS........
> >> >> >> > HUMAN
> >> >> >> > BEING
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > THIS IS THE NATURE OF GOD
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > BUT THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF HIS
> >> >> >> > FORGIVING NATURE BY DEFAULT THE SUPREME HAS PROGRAMMED EACH AND
> >> >> >> > EVERY
> >> >> >> > HUMAN MIND TO THINK OF ITSELF FOR THE ACTUAL TRUTH THAT WHY HE IS
> >> >> >> > ON
> >> >> >> > THIS EARTH?WHY HE IS BORN,WHAT HE HAS TO DO,IS HE HERE FOR MAKING
> >> >> >> > MONEY
> >> >> >> > OR IS HE HERE TO ENJOY WOMEN OR IS HE HERE TO FOOL OTHERS OR IS HE
> >> >> >> > HERE
> >> >> >> > TO MAKE PROPERTY?
> >> >> >> > AND MANY MANY OTHER QUESTIONS, EVERY HUMAN THINKS IN HIS MIND SOME
> >> >> >> > DAY
> >> >> >> > SOME TIME .
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > THOSE R LUCKY WHO THINK AT EARLY
> >> >> >> > STAGE OF LIFE AND MANY THINK AT LATER AGE BUT ALL OF THEM TRY TO
> >> >> >> > UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL THING AND SOME R ABLE TO GET ANSWERS BUT
> >> >> >> > THEY
> >> >> >> > DONT HAVE THE TIME TO USE IT PRACTICALLY BECAUSE LIFE IS TOO
> >> >> >> > SHORT.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > SO JYOTISH MEANS ISHVARIYA JYOTI AND EVERYBODY IS
> >> >> >> > HAVING
> >> >> >> > A
> >> >> >> > PART OF IT BUT HOW MANY HAVE REALISED IT?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > SAMPOORANTA MEANS WHO HAS MASTERD THE ALL
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > EKTA MEANS ONENESS
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > ADWAIT AGAIN THE
> >> >> >> > PERSON WHO HAS RAISED ABOVE FROM THE DVAIT BHAV THAT MEANS HE
> >> >> >> > HAS
> >> >> >> > NO
> >> >> >> > DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
> >> >> >> > T
> >> >> >> > - HE TWO. MEANS JO DO SE EK ROOP HO
> >> >> >> > JAYE
> >> >> >> > .
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > AS I SAID IT IS JUST A START I DONT
> >> >> >> > KNOW WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ,BUT THIS IS THE TOPIC WHICH IS ATTACHED
> >> >> >> > WITH
> >> >> >> > EVERY BODY LIFE SO KEEP ON DISCUSSING IT .PRADEEP SHARMA JI WAS
> >> >> >> > TELLING
> >> >> >> > ME MOST OF THE TIMES THAT I SHOULD START SUCH A TOPIC BUT I WAS
> >> >> >> > WAITING
> >> >> >> > REALLY FOR THE DAY, THAT THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN SOME ONE WILL
> >> >> >> > COME
> >> >> >> > OUT OF SO MANY LEARNED PEOPLE AND WILL ASK FOR THE TRUE MEANING OF
> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY.YET I HAVE NOT WRITTEN MUCH BUT I WILL LOVE TO WRITE
> >> >> >> > MORE
> >> >> >> > BECAUSE THIS IS THE QUESTION RELATED TO OUR TRUE SELF AND IT IS MY
> >> >> >> > FOREMOST DUTY TO ANSWER AND WILL TRY TO TELL WHAT I EXPERIENCED
> >> >> >> > AND
> >> >> >> > WILL LEARN FROM ALL MY SENIORS AND COLLEAGUES WHO R REALLY
> >> >> >> > DESPERATELY
> >> >> >> > AND SINCERELY FINDING LOTS AND LOTS OF THINGS BY MEANS OF
> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY
> >> >> >> > TO
> >> >> >> > GIVE BENEFITS TO THE SOCIETY
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > THERE IS A GURUBANI QUOTE BHAYI PRAPAT MANUKH DEOHRIA
> >> >> >> > GOBIND
> >> >> >> > MILAN KI EHO TERI BARIYA
> >> >> >> > AVAR KAAJ
> >> >> >> > TERE
> >> >> >> > KITE NAA KAAM MIL SAADH SANGAT BHAJ KEVAL NAAM
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > MEANS: FOR WHAT U HAVE GOT BIRTH
> >> >> >> > ON
> >> >> >> > THIS UNIVERSE? U HAVE GOT THIS HUMAN BODY TO MEET THE SUPREME THE
> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND THAT TOO U CAN DO WITHIN THIS HUMAN BIRTH ONLY,YOUR
> >> >> >> > ALL
> >> >> >> > OTHER DEEDS WONT GIVE U ANYTHING AT ALL,ONLY AND ONLY RECITATION
> >> >> >> > OF
> >> >> >> > THE
> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND GETTING UNITED WITH IT IS YOUR GOAL.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > in the last i would say, by the help
> >> >> >> > of astrology everybody should try to find the sins or the sanchit
> >> >> >> > karmas by means of planets and try to get rid of their influences
> >> >> >> > by
> >> >> >> > jap daan homas and sewa and many other means but should do these
> >> >> >> > things
> >> >> >> > sincerely and with a fear in mind that i have to get out of this
> >> >> >> > cycle
> >> >> >> > or any bad habit which i am having because of the planets bad
> >> >> >> > influence, because of sanchit karmas.so we r here to get lessons
> >> >> >> > from
> >> >> >> > our previous births and lead a new life in this birth with the
> >> >> >> > help
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> > astrology by trying to rectifying our bad vices and lusts for life
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > try to become detached from worldly deeds.sorry everybody if i had
> >> >> >> > written anything wrong and ever hurt any body sentiments.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Regards
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > MS KONDAL
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > ____________
> >> >> >> > From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@
> >> >> >> > To: astrostudents@
> >> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53:08 AM
> >> >> >> > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Ashok ji; why study astrology?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Respected Ashok ji; since the day u asked " why am i interested in
> >> >> >> > study of astrology" i was looking for an answer. I read Osho's
> >> >> >> > article
> >> >> >> > on astrology he writes " JYOTISH SAMPOORANTA, EAKTA AUR ADVAIT KA
> >> >> >> > VIGYAN HAI". Regards. Kulbir.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > > Kulbir Ji,
> >> >> >> > > Thanks a lots.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Best of regards
> >> >> >> > > Ashok Singh
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
> >> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
> >> >> >> > > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW MUCH ??
> >> >> >> > > )
> >> >> >> > > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> >> >> >> > > Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:36 AM
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Ashok ji, page 155-157 of 1952 part 3 uploaded by Nirmal ji ....
> >> >> >> > > SEHAT, BIMARI, NAFA, NUKSAAN, FATEH, SHIKASAT (these words
> >> >> >> > > include
> >> >> >> > > all
> >> >> >> > > of ur querries) har do pehlu ke liye yahi asool honge. This line
> >> >> >> > > is
> >> >> >> > > 2nd line under subhead BIMAARI on page 155 as ref. above. But my
> >> >> >> > > friend this is not all inclusive. e.g. Bimari of aathraa is
> >> >> >> > > explained
> >> >> >> > > in farmaan no. 161 1939 volume. Go in for short cuts only in
> >> >> >> > > desperate
> >> >> >> > > situation. For study and research follow guidelines given by pt.
> >> >> >> > > Ji
> >> >> >> > > in
> >> >> >> > > SARSARI NOTE Regards. Kulbir.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > >> Kulbir Ji,
> >> >> >> > >> Thanks for the reply. If you can write me where in lal kitab
> >> >> >> > >> written
> >> >> >> > >> how
> >> >> >> > >> to
> >> >> >> > >> evaluate
> >> >> >> > >> the native range of success, that would be great.
> >> >> >> > >> I am very much interested in the intensity(scale) of health,
> >> >> >> > >> success
> >> >> >> > >> or
> >> >> >> > >> failure.
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Best regards
> >> >> >> > >> Ashok Singh
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
> >> >> >> > >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
> >> >> >> > >> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW MUCH
> >> >> >> > >> ?? )
> >> >> >> > >> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> >> >> >> > >> Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 12:03 PM
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Ashok ji, what u are saying is represented loosely by the term
> >> >> >> > >> oxymoron. Secondly health and success may be related somehow.
> >> >> >> > >> But
> >> >> >> > >> illness is no deterent to success. Then success in which field?
> >> >> >> > >> It
> >> >> >> > >> has
> >> >> >> > >> to be specific. Lastly the dictum that all houses and planets
> >> >> >> > >> have
> >> >> >> > >> to
> >> >> >> > >> be considered before reaching a conclusion. This type of
> >> >> >> > >> isolated
> >> >> >> > >> study is against the basic rules of lalkitab. Regards. Kulbir.
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> On 6/12/09, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > >>> Dear Members,
> >> >> >> > >>> In a horoscope priciple to see health,sucess/ failure is the
> >> >> >> > >>> same.
> >> >> >> > >>> Can we find range of sucess as in Lal kitab written HNo. 10
> >> >> >> > >>> shows
> >> >> >> > >>> the intensity of illiness does it applicable for sucess also.
> >> >> >> > >>> It would be really appreciated.
> >> >> >> > >>> My real goal is to find HOW MUCH i.e. what would be the range
> >> >> >> > >>> of
> >> >> >> > >>> sucess.
> >> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> >> > >>> Thanks
> >> >> >> > >>> Ashok
> >> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> --
> >> >> >> > >> Sent from my mobile device
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > --
> >> >> >> > > Sent from my mobile device
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
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> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > Sent from my mobile device
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Sent from my mobile device
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sent from my mobile device
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Sent from my mobile device
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