Dear sumit,
I am really feeling pleasure in replying you for your wonderfully explained answer and making a good and appropriate move in giving answer for true astrology.this is a subject which is untouched in our group or not discussed yet.we all should try to get some charts of pious and religious persons in our day to day life and try to understand what made them led to such a nativity.
although everyone must be saying jupiter will be the main planet for this but in what conditions and which are the other planets which lead to such a pious and religious life.
there are persons who pose to be religious .others are actually religious but we cant make them out,some are easily recognised of their religion from their lifestyle.but do all of them will achieve their goal or some out of them will realise god or none of them?
these are the answers which we have to find in birth chart.and by all members efforts we can achieve this collectively.
once again sumit i congratulate you for being the pioneer in answering this topic.keep it up.if we are able to understand the horoscope nicely in a spiritual way or manner then the horoscope for this worldly affairs will be understood automatically.
regards
MS KONDAL
From: sumitbansal_
To: astrostudents@
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:03:48 AM
Subject: [astrostudents] Why study Astrology?
Respected All,
It is indeed a pleasure in itself to see and read such a beautiful topic related to Astrology which clearly outlines the true nature and objective of Astrology. Kondalji has given us a marvelous insight in the basic idea towards the mere existance of the Jyotish Shastra. It is righly said that Jyotish is the "ISHVARIYA JYOTI" and is a guiding light of each and every human being towards achieving the "Ultimate Goal" - to become "One" with the GOD by providing the means to initiate the purification process of "Chitt" and "Mann".
However, even when there are millions of human beings taking birth on this planet earth, not even one percent of them ever think about the reason as why are they born and what is the specific task assigned to them by that one Supreme God and which is the specific path, he/she has to tread in order to achieve or fulfill that specific task?
And the saddest part of the story is that by the time one realizes the need and authenticity of these questions, there is not enough time left for him to achieve the set goal. A very famous Bollywood Song has rightly described this situaltion in the following lines:
"Ladakpan Khel Mein Khoya,
Jawaani Neend Bhar Soya,
Burhahpa Dekh Kar Roya,
Yehi Kissa Puraana Hai."
But Jyoish is that devine light which can help an individual by breaking the spell of his slumber just as the light of the morning sun awakes a sleeping person.
Spiritualism oozes from each and every aspect of Jyotish Shastra. The only consideration is the "View Point" or "Nazar" by which anyone looks at it. To illustrate, I can provide a very simple example of "Horoscope Matching".
Every human being has some kind of desire(s) present in his heart and these desires then lead to the formation of "Aasha" and "Trishna". This in turn leads to the creation of the "Karma" which ultimately culminate in the formation of "Paap" and "Punya". These Paap and Punya are the deciding factors of the type and quality of the next life which this jeevatma has to undergo.
Now the ultimate Goal of any individual is to become one with GOD or to attain the state of "Adwait" and this can only be done by the purification of "Chitt" and "Mann" which can be attained by the purification of "Karma" and this is the exact point where Jyotish comes into play.
Anyone can Purify the Karmas in Two Ways, either using both or any one of the two. And the two ways are:
1. Naam Jaap - where the "Naam" is given by a "Sat-Guru" and the "Sat-Guru" himself is guiding the person.
2. Dividing or Cutting his Atma into few smaller pieces and then purifying them one by one.
"YES, ATMA CAN ALSO BE CUT." and this is the ultimate truth of the spirituality which if understood properly, will describe as how the GOD is keeping himself alive or "Amar". I cannot describe more here due to "Guru Agya" but, the only hint I can give is that a "Sperm" or "Beej" created inside the human body is as much living as we are and we all are made from this "Sperm" and we all have atma. Female Egg can only provide the breeding ground for this so called "Beej" but, cannot impart the "Atma" in the "Beej". So, where does this "Atma" comes into the "Beej" ???? Yes, you guessed it right, it is the "Ansh" of our own "Atma". And in this particular sense, each Father is just like "Param-Atma" to his offspring. So, it is the atma of the Father which is cut into pieces everytime sperms leaves his body. "No further explanation on this part can be given here due to the sensitivity of the topic"
Now, if you are using the option "One" only then it is "Okay" in all sense. However, if you are using the Option "Two" or "Both the options", then there is a catch that the "Ansh" or "Beej of your Atma" might not get a proper breeding ground which might result into creation of more desire in the Beej due to lack of the proper "Nutrients" which a Beej might take from Mother which will again create "Aasha" and "Trishna" and so on to "Paap" and "Punya". And if this happens, then, the Beej again has to go through the complete cycle of "Chauraasi".
As explained above, the so called "Nutrients" are nothing but the "Guna" of the Mother and the "Actual Requirement of the Beej" is the "Guna" of the Father. So, if there is a mismatch between the two, then the Option Two is bound to fail which will create more distress in the human society. AND TO BE HONEST, OPTION TWO IS THE ONE WHICH IS BEING USED IN A VERY VERY VERY LARGE PROPORTION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE ACTUAL TRUTH BEHIND THE USE OF THIS OPTION. AND ONLY JYOTISH IS CAPABLE OF RECTIFYING THIS MISTAKE OF MAN AND SHOWING AS HOW TO BEGET WORTHY CHILDREN BY PROPER MATCHING OF SOIL AND SEED.
This clearly shows the Criticality as why Horoscope Matching is so important and the undefiable relationship between Jyotish and Aadhyatam.
In the end I can only say that Option One is the only True Option as Option Two is just like using a shortcut which has the reputation of "Backfiring Percentage" set at 99.99% as the Jyotish Shastra is not being used as required. No one literally know as how to implement the jyotish shastra. All just know one thing and that is how to do the upai and that also incorrect. If you are playing with gun loaded bullets, and you don't know how to use the gun properly, then at least cover yourself with a bulletproof dress first. Providing or telling Upai of something so much spiritual will only erode you spiritually unless and untill you have the required "Guru Kripa".
I tender my apologies for being rude or harsh. My purpose of writing this was not to offend anyone but to provide the exact scenario as what is being done and what could it lead to. If I have hurt the feelings of anyone, then please ask yourself, "Do you really have the required Bullet-Proof Suite?" You will get the answer yourself. The Supreme God speakes from the very inside of your "Chitt" or "Ghat-Mandir" . Listen to him and you will get the answer.....
Whatever I have learned from my revered Guruji is as under:
"Guru Kripa Se Hai Mila,
Jiska Naam Sunaam.
Ghat Ghat Mein Bole Jo Sabke,
Hai Woh Atma Ram."
Regards,
Sumit Bansal.
--- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal@.. .> wrote:
>
> date:18-6-2009
>
> hello kulbir ji,
>
> first of
> all let me thank u for discussing such a vital point in astrology or
> everybody life that why and for what we are doing any job as quoted by
> u that why we are using or doing astrology.this is a very crucial point
> and i will try to contribute from myside what ever i know openly and
> would like everybody to share their views on this topic because this is
> directly related to our spiritual enlightenment and getting in touch
> with god.this topic is never ending and i request all members to keep
> on writing their true experiences and findings regarding spiritual and
> worldly astrology and try to differentiate between the two.
>
> as kulbir ji has quoted from osho's book the words
>
>
>
> jyotish
>
> sampooranta
>
> ekta
>
>
> advait
>
>
> all these words are self explanatry
> but if we start explaining them then we will become short of words but
> i would say that if we compile all these in one word we can say these
> are the qualities of one and only one supreme and that is the ULTIMATE
> GOD.
>
> ACTUALLY WE ARE THE JEEVATMAS AND
> ARE PART OF THE SUPREME LORD AND DUE TO VARIOUS JANAMAS AND BIRTHS LOT
> OF MISCONCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN ENGRAVED IN OUR MINDS AND BECAUSE OF OUR
> SANCHIT KARMAS AND DUE TO PRARABDH WE ARE GETTING BIRTHS AGAIN AND
> AGAIN AND GETTING DETACHED FROM THE SUPREME DAY BY DAY TO FULFIL OUR
> WORLDLY DEEDS,WHICH ULTIMATELY LAND US NOWHERE ELSE THAN REBIRTH TO
> FULFIL OUR DESIRES AND WE GET USED TO THE RE BIRTH CYCLE AND CARRY ON
> AND FORGET OUR TRUE HOME THAT IS NONE OTHER THAN THE SUPREME FATHER
> GOD.BUT
>
> REMEBER ONE THING
>
> HE WHO GIVES ,GIVES,GIVES, GIVES.... ...... AND FORGIVES IS GOD
>
>
> AND
>
> WHO GETS, GETS, GETS, GETS........ ..... AND FORGETS IS HUMAN BEING
>
>
> THIS IS THE NATURE OF GOD
>
> BUT THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF HIS
> FORGIVING NATURE BY DEFAULT THE SUPREME HAS PROGRAMMED EACH AND EVERY
> HUMAN MIND TO THINK OF ITSELF FOR THE ACTUAL TRUTH THAT WHY HE IS ON
> THIS EARTH?WHY HE IS BORN,WHAT HE HAS TO DO,IS HE HERE FOR MAKING MONEY
> OR IS HE HERE TO ENJOY WOMEN OR IS HE HERE TO FOOL OTHERS OR IS HE HERE
> TO MAKE PROPERTY?
> AND MANY MANY OTHER QUESTIONS, EVERY HUMAN THINKS IN HIS MIND SOME DAY SOME TIME .
>
> THOSE R LUCKY WHO THINK AT EARLY
> STAGE OF LIFE AND MANY THINK AT LATER AGE BUT ALL OF THEM TRY TO
> UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL THING AND SOME R ABLE TO GET ANSWERS BUT THEY
> DONT HAVE THE TIME TO USE IT PRACTICALLY BECAUSE LIFE IS TOO SHORT.
>
>
> SO JYOTISH MEANS ISHVARIYA JYOTI AND EVERYBODY IS HAVING A PART OF IT BUT HOW MANY HAVE REALISED IT?
>
> SAMPOORANTA MEANS WHO HAS MASTERD THE ALL
>
> EKTA MEANS ONENESS
>
> ADWAIT AGAIN THE
> PERSON WHO HAS RAISED ABOVE FROM THE DVAIT BHAV THAT MEANS HE HAS NO
> DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
> T
> - HE TWO. MEANS JO DO SE EK ROOP HO JAYE .
>
>
> AS I SAID IT IS JUST A START I DONT
> KNOW WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ,BUT THIS IS THE TOPIC WHICH IS ATTACHED WITH
> EVERY BODY LIFE SO KEEP ON DISCUSSING IT .PRADEEP SHARMA JI WAS TELLING
> ME MOST OF THE TIMES THAT I SHOULD START SUCH A TOPIC BUT I WAS WAITING
> REALLY FOR THE DAY, THAT THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN SOME ONE WILL COME
> OUT OF SO MANY LEARNED PEOPLE AND WILL ASK FOR THE TRUE MEANING OF
> ASTROLOGY.YET I HAVE NOT WRITTEN MUCH BUT I WILL LOVE TO WRITE MORE
> BECAUSE THIS IS THE QUESTION RELATED TO OUR TRUE SELF AND IT IS MY
> FOREMOST DUTY TO ANSWER AND WILL TRY TO TELL WHAT I EXPERIENCED AND
> WILL LEARN FROM ALL MY SENIORS AND COLLEAGUES WHO R REALLY DESPERATELY
> AND SINCERELY FINDING LOTS AND LOTS OF THINGS BY MEANS OF ASTROLOGY TO
> GIVE BENEFITS TO THE SOCIETY
>
>
> THERE IS A GURUBANI QUOTE BHAYI PRAPAT MANUKH DEOHRIA GOBIND MILAN KI EHO TERI BARIYA
> AVAR KAAJ TERE KITE NAA KAAM MIL SAADH SANGAT BHAJ KEVAL NAAM
>
>
> MEANS: FOR WHAT U HAVE GOT BIRTH ON
> THIS UNIVERSE? U HAVE GOT THIS HUMAN BODY TO MEET THE SUPREME THE
> ULTIMATE AND THAT TOO U CAN DO WITHIN THIS HUMAN BIRTH ONLY,YOUR ALL
> OTHER DEEDS WONT GIVE U ANYTHING AT ALL,ONLY AND ONLY RECITATION OF THE
> ULTIMATE AND GETTING UNITED WITH IT IS YOUR GOAL.
>
>
>
> in the last i would say, by the help
> of astrology everybody should try to find the sins or the sanchit
> karmas by means of planets and try to get rid of their influences by
> jap daan homas and sewa and many other means but should do these things
> sincerely and with a fear in mind that i have to get out of this cycle
> or any bad habit which i am having because of the planets bad
> influence, because of sanchit karmas.so we r here to get lessons from
> our previous births and lead a new life in this birth with the help of
> astrology by trying to rectifying our bad vices and lusts for life and
> try to become detached from worldly deeds.sorry everybody if i had
> written anything wrong and ever hurt any body sentiments.
>
>
> Regards
>
> MS KONDAL
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ ...>
> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53:08 AM
> Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Ashok ji; why study astrology?
>
>
>
>
>
> Respected Ashok ji; since the day u asked " why am i interested in
> study of astrology" i was looking for an answer. I read Osho's article
> on astrology he writes " JYOTISH SAMPOORANTA, EAKTA AUR ADVAIT KA
> VIGYAN HAI". Regards. Kulbir.
>
> On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Kulbir Ji,
> > Thanks a lots.
> >
> > Best of regards
> > Ashok Singh
> >
> > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW MUCH ?? )
> > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:36 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ashok ji, page 155-157 of 1952 part 3 uploaded by Nirmal ji ....
> > SEHAT, BIMARI, NAFA, NUKSAAN, FATEH, SHIKASAT (these words include all
> > of ur querries) har do pehlu ke liye yahi asool honge. This line is
> > 2nd line under subhead BIMAARI on page 155 as ref. above. But my
> > friend this is not all inclusive. e.g. Bimari of aathraa is explained
> > in farmaan no. 161 1939 volume. Go in for short cuts only in desperate
> > situation. For study and research follow guidelines given by pt. Ji in
> > SARSARI NOTE Regards. Kulbir.
> >
> > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Kulbir Ji,
> >> Thanks for the reply. If you can write me where in lal kitab written how
> >> to
> >> evaluate
> >> the native range of success, that would be great.
> >> I am very much interested in the intensity(scale) of health, success or
> >> failure.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >> Ashok Singh
> >>
> >> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW MUCH ?? )
> >> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> >> Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 12:03 PM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ashok ji, what u are saying is represented loosely by the term
> >> oxymoron. Secondly health and success may be related somehow. But
> >> illness is no deterent to success. Then success in which field? It has
> >> to be specific. Lastly the dictum that all houses and planets have to
> >> be considered before reaching a conclusion. This type of isolated
> >> study is against the basic rules of lalkitab. Regards. Kulbir.
> >>
> >> On 6/12/09, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> Dear Members,
> >>> In a horoscope priciple to see health,sucess/ failure is the same.
> >>> Can we find range of sucess as in Lal kitab written HNo. 10 shows
> >>> the intensity of illiness does it applicable for sucess also.
> >>> It would be really appreciated.
> >>> My real goal is to find HOW MUCH i.e. what would be the range of sucess.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Ashok
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sent from my mobile device
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> >
> > --
> > Sent from my mobile device
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> --
> Sent from my mobile device
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