Astrostudents-Group Discussions: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa

this is as good as it gets, i would like to borrow/steal(if i may)
one of prabhakar ji's famous saying that "betha huya unth bhi khade
huye gadhe se jayada dekhta hai" don't know how well u understand
hindi but loosely translating "a sitting camel has far better view
than an ass/donkey" ur explanation has been so detailed yet enjoyable
that even a novice like me have started to feel more confident.

i have said this before and will say again that after reading the
replies of shri prabhakarji, shri nirmal ji, shri bhatia ji, umesh
ji, other seniors and ofcourse yourself, i feel blessed to be in your
company.

however with your kind permission i would like to raise a query. as
you have mentioned that rahu being in 10th and sun being in 12th
(rahu's house) wil be conjoined in 10th.Isn't so that they both have
to be in each other's root(fixed house) to be considered as
conjoined/joint? i.e rahu in 5th and sun in 12th.
i humbly request you and other learned experts to please clear my
doubt with your/their excellent knowledge and understanding of this
subject.

once again i thank you for such a selfless effort of yours to educate
new learners.

your respectfully
jitin syal

--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Finn Wandahl"
<finn.wandahl@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Members,
>
> While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi Tewa, I
came to
> think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets combined with
one or
> more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey Tewa (Blind
> chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/Non-adult chart), etc., meaning
when
> two or more types of combinations are available in the same
horoscope.
> This give rise to a number of different variations. This way
obviously
> Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number of very
> interesting observations can be made. In this context I couldn't
help
> remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annual
predictions in
> LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting combined
> Tewa-types.
>
> Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of Scorpio-Asc with
> Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in 10th, Jup &
Ven in
> 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house.
>
> The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and contradictive
> influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a Dharmi Tewa
since
> there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same time the
chart
> also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as I will
explain
> later. I think these different and contradictive influences needs
to be
> taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is needed.
There is
> much more in this chart than what meets the eye.
>
> Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but brilliant
delineation
> of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in details,
taking it
> bit by bit:
>
> (Quote:) "Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. Sister born
after 3
> years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. Venus No. 11 -
> contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts and results
in
> Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked at the age
of
> 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal
tendencies
> and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage proposal
> floundered".
>
> Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of this person?
>
> Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by being in the
6th
> and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by itself
means
> favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives excellent
> results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it actually
does in
> this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for half period of
> Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to give its
separate
> effect, and therefore the houses could be built only after the age
of
> 17.
>
> Why is a sister born after 3 years?
>
> As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is ruled
by
> Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn is in the 6th
> house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a malefic effect
This
> is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn aspects Mars
in
> the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize itself in the
form
> of a younger brother.
>
> However, at the same time there is another exception rule in
operation
> in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury is in the
12th
> house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since both
Mercury and
> the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to indicate
the
> birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at that particular
> age.
>
> Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination in the
11th, as
> indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts, meaning no
> substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is probably the
> results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself is said to
give
> false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu No. 4 -
loos of
> semen (masturbation?). Perhaps also because there is a 6/8-
relationship
> (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter in the 11th.
>
> Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21?
>
> This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is half the
period of
> Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly caused by the
malefic
> Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th. Rahu is
destroyed
> (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more, Rahu & Ketu
in
> 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also makes a Nabalig
> Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking in maturity.
> According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will always have to
seek
> help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will peak at 21 in
this
> case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of both
Dharmi &
> Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but a poor
Guru.
> But that is another discussion.
>
> What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the circle of
Mercury
> at the age of 21 years?
>
> To know this we need to understand the "Modus operandi" of Rahu in
the
> 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury in the 10th
will
> move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic, they will be
twice
> beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn is benefic
being
> in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is actually located
in
> the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
>
> What is the "Empty Circle of Mercury"?
>
> Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion and
experience the
> "Empty Circle of Mercury" is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th houses.
There
> are some good arguments in support of this. It is said in LK that
Rahu
> and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes sense since
they
> have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in the 3rd,
6th,
> 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet capable of
> aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only from the 3rd and
> 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th and 12th (as
rules
> of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this evil circle it
> becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where you see the
> illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque forms and
> shapes.
>
> Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness?
>
> Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the 10th is
malefic.
> Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves, being
transmitted
> through Saturn, are moving within the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
>
> There is however also another possible explanation for this.
Earlier I
> said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an Andhey Tewa,
> meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It is said in
LK
> that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even if exalted,
> would behave like the blind people and Sat will be malefic. The
powers
> of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly affected.
>
> But how can this chart be blind when there is only one planet,
Rahu, in
> the 10th house?
>
> Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very carefully at the
12th
> house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house and therefore
> there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually this is
all it
> takes to turn this into a blind chart.
>
> In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness are the
> combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to malefic Rahu,
blind
> chart indication and the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
>
> Best regards,
> Finn Wandahl
>