Monday, November 24, 2008

Re: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa

dear Prabhakar ji,
 
going a little of the track from dharmi tewa.
 
u r very right that the 35 year cycle at birth may start with any of the planets.
Could u please elaborate as to how to find out  the operative planet at birth for a given horoscope as par 35 years claculations.
 
With best wishes;,
kiranjit

--- On Mon, 11/24/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@yahoo.com>
Subject: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa
To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 5:11 PM

Respected Finn Sahib,

You explained this 11 lines example (LK-1952, Page 975) beautifully; please accept my heartiest congratulations for this wonderful post. With your permission, I am reproducing the full Para Quoted by you with slight corrections (forgive me for capital letters) to make the things easier to understand as there are many  flaws in the English translated book.

(Quote)
Houses built between the age of 17 and 19.
Sister born after 3 years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17.
Venus No. 11 - contact with women.
Jupiter No. 11 - MERE IMAGINATION, 
and FINALLY THE RESULT OF KETU 4 - NOCTURNAL EMISSION and MASTURBATION BEGAN, THAT  REACHED TO ITS PEAK DURING THE AGE OF 21. 
Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal tendencies and signs of madness EMERGED. IN FACT, PROBLEM OF LACK OF SEMEN REMAINED HIDDEN IN THE BACKDROP, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR MARRIAGE PROVED FUTILE.

(I think Pundit ji probably indicated that reason behind his mental status and suicidal attitude was the result of likely impotency because of nocturnal emission and masturbation that caused the floundering of marriage proposals).

You have further written that:
\\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is ruled by Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. ...\\

I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may begin with any of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not fit anywhere, neither as per the serial numbers given to planets in the 35-year circulation neither according to its placement in the horoscope to be the first planet of 35-year circulation.

Respectfully
Yograj Prabhakar


--- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, "Finn Wandahl" <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote:
>
> Dear Members,
>
> While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi Tewa, I came to
> think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets combined with one or
> more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey Tewa (Blind
> chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/ Non-adult chart), etc., meaning when
> two or more types of combinations are available in the same horoscope.
> This give rise to a number of different variations. This way obviously
> Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number of very
> interesting observations can be made. In this context I couldn't help
> remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annual predictions in
> LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting combined
> Tewa-types.
>
> Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of Scorpio-Asc with
> Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in 10th, Jup & Ven in
> 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house.
>
> The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and contradictive
> influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a Dharmi Tewa since
> there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same time the chart
> also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as I will explain
> later. I think these different and contradictive influences needs to be
> taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is needed. There is
> much more in this chart than what meets the eye.
>
> Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but brilliant delineation
> of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in details, taking it
> bit by bit:
>
> (Quote:) "Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. Sister born after 3
> years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. Venus No. 11 -
> contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts and results in
> Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked at the age of
> 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal tendencies
> and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage proposal
> floundered".
>
> Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of this person?
>
> Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by being in the 6th
> and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by itself means
> favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives excellent
> results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it actually does in
> this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for half period of
> Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to give its separate
> effect, and therefore the houses could be built only after the age of
> 17.
>
> Why is a sister born after 3 years?
>
> As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is ruled by
> Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn is in the 6th
> house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a malefic effect This
> is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn aspects Mars in
> the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize itself in the form
> of a younger brother.
>
> However, at the same time there is another exception rule in operation
> in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury is in the 12th
> house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since both Mercury and
> the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to indicate the
> birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at that particular
> age.
>
> Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination in the 11th, as
> indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts, meaning no
> substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is probably the
> results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself is said to give
> false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu No. 4 - loos of
> semen (masturbation? ). Perhaps also because there is a 6/8-relationship
> (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter in the 11th.
>
> Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21?
>
> This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is half the period of
> Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly caused by the malefic
> Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th. Rahu is destroyed
> (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more, Rahu & Ketu in
> 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also makes a Nabalig
> Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking in maturity.
> According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will always have to seek
> help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will peak at 21 in this
> case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of both Dharmi &
> Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but a poor Guru.
> But that is another discussion.
>
> What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the circle of Mercury
> at the age of 21 years?
>
> To know this we need to understand the "Modus operandi" of Rahu in the
> 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury in the 10th will
> move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic, they will be twice
> beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn is benefic being
> in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is actually located in
> the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
>
> What is the "Empty Circle of Mercury"?
>
> Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion and experience the
> "Empty Circle of Mercury" is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th houses. There
> are some good arguments in support of this. It is said in LK that Rahu
> and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes sense since they
> have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in the 3rd, 6th,
> 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet capable of
> aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only from the 3rd and
> 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th and 12th (as rules
> of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this evil circle it
> becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where you see the
> illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque forms and
> shapes.
>
> Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness?
>
> Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the 10th is malefic.
> Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves, being transmitted
> through Saturn, are moving within the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
>
> There is however also another possible explanation for this. Earlier I
> said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an Andhey Tewa,
> meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It is said in LK
> that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even if exalted,
> would behave like the blind people and Sat will be malefic. The powers
> of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly affected.
>
> But how can this chart be blind when there is only one planet, Rahu, in
> the 10th house?
>
> Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very carefully at the 12th
> house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house and therefore
> there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually this is all it
> takes to turn this into a blind chart.
>
> In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness are the
> combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to malefic Rahu, blind
> chart indication and the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
>
> Best regards,
> Finn Wandahl
>

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