Astrostudents-Group Discussions: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa

Dear Yograj Ji,

This information on how to calculate 35-years circulation is very
interesting. Thank you for sharing it!

Best regards,
Finn

--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, Yograj Prabhakar
<yr_prabhakar@...> wrote:
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> Respected Dr Sahib,
> Sa'adar Pranaam.
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> Sir, In case of more than one planet in one house, we have to follow
the serial number given to each planet in the 35-year cycle.
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> Respectfully
> Yograj Prabhakar
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> --- On Tue, 25/11/08, kiranjit kumar <kapatjal@...> wrote:
> From: kiranjit kumar <kapatjal@...>
> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa
> To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, 25 November, 2008, 7:33 PM
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> thanks prabhakar ji. But what if more than one planets r
placed in the first house in the natal chart?
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> with best wishes,
> kiranjit
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> --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa
> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:37 AM
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> Respected Dr. Sahib,
> Sa'adar Pranaam.
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> for understanding the 35-year circle one must be aware of the crucial
> concept of "Greh Ka Daura" (tenure), "Greh ka Daura" is the crux of
> the matter. Actually, this "Daura" is the time when any planet comes
> to the First house of the horoscope. Any planet that comes on in the
> Ist house (either in natal of Varsphal chart) will be the first planet
> of 35-Yar cycle scheme. See the example of the following imaginary
> planetary configuration of a natal chart:
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> 1st house - empty
> 2nd house - empty
> 3rd house - mars
> 4th house - moon
> 5th house - Ketu
> 6th house - Jupiter
> 7th house - sun+Mer
> 8th house - venus
> 9th house - enpty
> 10th house -empty
> 11th house - Rahu
> 12th house -Saturn
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> In this chart, First and second houses are empty. As per the Varshphal
> chart, planet of the 3rd house (Mars) will come in the 1st house
> during the 3rd year of native's
> age. So from this 3rd year his first
> 35-years Cycle will begin with Mars as the first planet of 35-year
> cycle, the other planets may follow accordingly.
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> You must have noticed that sometimes back this 35-Saala chakkar was
> described so maladroitly in another blog that it became a "35-Saala
> Ghan-chakkar" since they never considered/studied the important aspect
> of "Greh Ka Daura".
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> Respectfully
> Yograj Prabhakar
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> --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, kiranjit kumar <kapatjal@ .>
wrote:
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> > dear Prabhakar ji,
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> > going a little of the track from dharmi tewa.
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> > u r very right that the 35 year cycle at birth may start with any of
> the planets.
> > Could u please elaborate as to how to find outÂ the operative planet
> at birth for a given horoscope as par 35 years
> claculations.
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> > With best wishes;,
> > kiranjit
> >
> > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote:
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> > From: Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...>
> > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa
> > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 5:11 PM
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> > Respected Finn Sahib,
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> > You explained this 11 lines example (LK-1952, Page 975) beautifully;
> please accept my heartiest congratulations for this wonderful post.
> With your permission, I am reproducing the full Para Quoted by you
> with slight corrections (forgive me for capital letters) to make the
> things easier to understand as there are manyÂ flaws in the English
> translated book.
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> > (Quote)
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> Houses built between the age of 17 and 19.
> > Sister born after 3 years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age
of 17.
> > Venus No. 11 - contact with women.
> > Jupiter No. 11 - MERE IMAGINATION,Â
> > and FINALLY THE RESULT OF KETU 4 - NOCTURNAL EMISSION and
> MASTURBATION BEGAN, THATÂ REACHED TO ITS PEAK DURING THE AGE OF 21.Â
> > Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal tendencies
> and signs of madness EMERGED. IN FACT, PROBLEM OF LACK OF SEMEN
> REMAINED HIDDEN IN THE BACKDROP, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR MARRIAGE PROVED
> FUTILE.
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> > (I think Pundit ji probably indicated that reason behind his mental
> status and suicidal attitude was the result of likely impotency
> because of nocturnal emission and masturbation that caused the
> floundering of marriage proposals).
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> > You have further written that:
> > \\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope
> is ruled
> by Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. ...\\
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> > I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may begin with
> any of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not fit
> anywhere, neither as per the serial numbers given to planets in the
> 35-year circulation neither according to its placement in the
> horoscope to be the first planet of 35-year circulation.
> >
> > Respectfully
> > Yograj Prabhakar
> >
> >
> > --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, "Finn Wandahl"
> <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote:
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> > > Dear Members,
> > >
> > > While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi Tewa, I
> came to
> > > think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets combined with
> one or
> > > more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey Tewa (Blind
> > > chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/ Non-adult chart),
> etc.,
> meaning when
> > > two or more types of combinations are available in the same
horoscope.
> > > This give rise to a number of different variations. This way
obviously
> > > Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number of very
> > > interesting observations can be made. In this context I couldn't
help
> > > remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annual
> predictions in
> > > LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting combined
> > > Tewa-types.
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> > > Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of Scorpio-Asc with
> > > Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in 10th, Jup &
> Ven in
> > > 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house.
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> > > The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and contradictive
> > > influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a Dharmi
> Tewa
> since
> > > there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same time the
chart
> > > also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as I will
explain
> > > later. I think these different and contradictive influences needs
> to be
> > > taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is needed.
> There is
> > > much more in this chart than what meets the eye.
> > >
> > > Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but brilliant
delineation
> > > of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in details,
> taking it
> > > bit by bit:
> > >
> > > (Quote:) "Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. Sister born
> after 3
> > > years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. Venus No. 11 -
> > > contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts and
results in
> > > Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked
> at the age of
> > > 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal
> tendencies
> > > and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage proposal
> > > floundered".
> > >
> > > Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of this person?
> > >
> > > Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by being in
> the 6th
> > > and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by itself
means
> > > favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives excellent
> > > results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it actually
> does in
> > > this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for half period of
> > > Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to give its
> separate
> > > effect, and therefore the houses could be built only after the
age of
> > > 17.
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> > > Why is a sister
> born after 3 years?
> > >
> > > As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is
ruled by
> > > Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn is in the 6th
> > > house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a malefic
> effect This
> > > is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn aspects
Mars in
> > > the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize itself in the
> form
> > > of a younger brother.
> > >
> > > However, at the same time there is another exception rule in
operation
> > > in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury is in the
> 12th
> > > house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since both
> Mercury and
> > > the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to
indicate the
> > > birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at that particular
> > > age.
> > >
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> > > Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination in the
> 11th, as
> > > indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts, meaning no
> > > substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is probably the
> > > results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself is said
> to give
> > > false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu No. 4 -
> loos of
> > > semen (masturbation? ). Perhaps also because there is a
> 6/8-relationship
> > > (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter in the 11th.
> > >
> > > Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21?
> > >
> > > This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is half the
> period of
> > > Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly caused by the
> malefic
> > > Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th. Rahu is
> destroyed
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> > (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more, Rahu &
Ketu in
> > > 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also makes a Nabalig
> > > Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking in maturity.
> > > According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will always have
> to seek
> > > help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will peak at 21
> in this
> > > case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of both
Dharmi &
> > > Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but a poor
Guru.
> > > But that is another discussion.
> > >
> > > What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the circle of
> Mercury
> > > at the age of 21 years?
> > >
> > > To know this we need to understand the "Modus operandi" of Rahu
in the
> > > 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury in the
> 10th
> will
> > > move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic, they will be
> twice
> > > beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn is benefic
> being
> > > in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is actually
located in
> > > the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
> > >
> > > What is the "Empty Circle of Mercury"?
> > >
> > > Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion and
> experience the
> > > "Empty Circle of Mercury" is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th houses.
> There
> > > are some good arguments in support of this. It is said in LK
that Rahu
> > > and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes sense since
> they
> > > have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in the
3rd, 6th,
> > > 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet capable of
> > > aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only
> from the 3rd and
> > > 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th and 12th (as
> rules
> > > of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this evil circle it
> > > becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where you see the
> > > illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque forms and
> > > shapes.
> > >
> > > Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness?
> > >
> > > Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the 10th is
> malefic.
> > > Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves, being
transmitted
> > > through Saturn, are moving within the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
> > >
> > > There is however also another possible explanation for this.
Earlier I
> > > said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an Andhey Tewa,
> > > meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It is said
> in LK
> > > that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even if exalted,
> > > would behave like the blind people and Sat will be malefic. The
powers
> > > of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly affected.
> > >
> > > But how can this chart be blind when there is only one planet,
> Rahu, in
> > > the 10th house?
> > >
> > > Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very carefully at the
> 12th
> > > house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house and therefore
> > > there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually this is
> all it
> > > takes to turn this into a blind chart.
> > >
> > > In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness are the
> > > combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to malefic Rahu,
blind
> > > chart indication and the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
> > >
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> > > Best regards,
> > > Finn Wandahl
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