Astrostudents-Group Discussions: Fw: Re: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa

Dear Kiranjit Ji and Umesh Ji,

It seems to me there is actually two different solution on how to
calculate the 35-years circulation. The one starting with Saturn,
given in the form of table in the chapter on Varshphal is the same for
all horoscopes, and it works fine. Then there is the other other one
starting with the first planet to enter the 1st house in the
Varshphal, which has been explained by Yograj, and that method also
seems to give excellent results.

In my opinion we should not think of these two method in terms of one
of them being right and the other being wrong. I think we can safely
use any one them or both of them at the same time. After all, it is an
advantage to have a number of diffent methods at our disposal.
Sometimes, perhaps if an event is indicated by both methods, then we
can be more sure. At least I for one have no problem accepting two
different methods.

Best regards,
Finn Wandahl

--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "kapatjal" <kapatjal@...> wrote:
>
> dear Umesh ji,
>
> It would appear that 35 sala chkkar shall remain an enigma.
> For your contention, it is submited that things mentioned at other
> places other than in the chapter of 35 sala chakkar can not be
> applied to it.jo jahan likha hai wahan hi applicable hai.Jaise ki
> naukri lagi to Sun ka zamana shuru ho gaya ya marriage hui to venus
> ka zamana etc. etc. which can not be fited to 35 sala chakkar.LK
> 1952 is silent on its elaboration and pundit ji has advised to look
> in the varash phal chapter;there also it has not been made clear
> except that the list starting with sani has ben printed.
>
> So it would appear that everyone should use his experience and share
> it with the group. Prabhakar ji's contention is quite appealing.
>
> Incidentally, the time of 3.20 P>M> is of Budh,agar is ko dopahar ka
> samay lenge to yeh samay mangal ka hoga; amavas ki raat venus ka
> period kahi gayee hai.
> Sorry for intervention,but every body is so keen to understand 35
> sala chakkar.
> regards.
> sincerely,
> kiranjit--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Umesh Sharma"
> <mudit982001@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Jatin Ji,
> > I want to say that 35 Saala chakkar start from "Janam Samay Ke
> Grah"
> > se.
> > Thanks
> > Regard
> > Umesh Sharma
> > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, Jattin Kapila
> > <jattinkapila@> wrote:>
> > > Dear Umesh ji,
> > > pranaam
> > > wht u hv written i am confused little
> > > plz elaborate 35 yr cycle properly,
> > > as u hv confused the concept what ur trying to say is written in
> LK.
> > > we all want explanation from u sir plz help us sir.
> > > learner
> > > lal kitab
> > > jattin
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Umesh Sharma <mudit982001@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Umesh Sharma <mudit982001@>
> > > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa
> > > To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 7:25 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Finn Ji,
> > > First of all accept my Heartily Salute. The charms of your
> analysis
> > captivate the Soul.
> > > Sir, in case of " 35 sala Chakkar" My observation is below
> > > Pt. Ji wrote in:-
> > > Aarmaan no. 113 A, Chapter: " EK DIN KA HAAL" LK-Edition-1940"
> > > 1. Har Ek Vyakati Ki Kismat Ka Haal "Janam Samay Ke Grah" se
> > shuru hota hey.
> > > Chapter "PAHLE SAPTAH MAIN"
> > > K. TAKHAT KE MAALIK GRAHON KE LIYE: ( Yani Varshaphal vali
> Talika)
> > > " JANAM SAMAY KA GRAH SABSE PAHLE SHURU HONE VALA GINEGAIN"
> Uskey
> > baad Lalkitab page no. 7(Pt. Ji ne yah havala 1939 vali kitab ka
> diya
> > hey jismain unhoney grahon ka kraram (Sequence) di hey) par diye
> huey
> > karram se baki grahon ko likhaingey.
> > > I try to explain this method with below example
> > > Date of Birth: 15-09-1985 Time:-15:20 Day: Sunday Place: Delhi
> > > Janam Din Ka Grah- Surya
> > > Janam Samay ka Grah- Venus
> > > Now The sequence Start from
> > > Venus 3yrs +Jupiter 6yrs+Sun 2yrs+Moon 1yrs+ Venus 3yrs+Mars
> > 6yrs+Merc 2yrs+Shani 6yrs+Rahu 6yrs+Ketu 3yrs=Total-59yra. The
> First
> > cucle of 35th year is running upto 38th years. Iind cycle Start
> from
> > its own sequence that is start with Jupiter.
> > > In this contest you can read: "35 SAALA CHAKKAR" in 1952
> Edition :
> > Pt. Ji wrote " Grahon ka 35 saala chakkar aur Insaan ki Umar ka 35
> > saala chakkar do alag alag batain hain."
> > > In this regard pt. Ji given a example in this chapter in which
> pt.
> > Ji wrote about this " Ki eska pehla grah brahaspati ki bajay Shani
> > shuru ho aur Janamdin ki bajay 7vain saal se shuru ho. Ab tamam
> grah
> > 35 saal main hi apna daura poora kar lengey. Jab aakhiri grah ka
> > aakhiri din hoga us vakat Insaan ki Umar 35 saal ka daura jama 6
> > saal, yaani kul umar 41 saal hey aur doosra chakkar janamDin
> valley
> > grah ki doosri chaal hogi.
> > > I am not claim that I am right but my understanding is this.
> >
> >
>
> > Thanks
> >
> >
>
> > Regards
> >
> >
>
> > Umesh Sharma
> > > --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, "Finn Wandahl"
> > <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Yograj Ji,
> > > >
> > > > This information on how to calculate 35-years circulation is
> very
> > > > interesting. Thank you for sharing it!
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Finn
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, Yograj Prabhakar
> > > > yr_prabhakar@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Respected Dr Sahib,
> > > > > Sa'adar Pranaam.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sir, In case of more than one planet in one house, we have
> to
> > follow
> > > > the serial number given to each planet in the 35-year cycle.
> > > > >
> > > > > Respectfully
> > > > > Yograj Prabhakar
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Tue, 25/11/08, kiranjit kumar kapatjal@ wrote:
> > > > > From: kiranjit kumar kapatjal@
> > > > > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa
> > > > > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Date: Tuesday, 25 November, 2008, 7:33 PM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks prabhakar ji. But what if more than one planets r
> > > > placed in the first house in the natal chart?
> > > > > ï¿½
> > > > > with best wishes,
> > > > > kiranjit
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@
> > yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ yahoo.com>
> > > > > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa
> > > > > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:37 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Respected Dr. Sahib,
> > > > > Sa'adar Pranaam.
> > > > >
> > > > > for understanding the 35-year circle one must be aware of
> the
> > crucial
> > > > > concept of "Greh Ka Daura" (tenure), "Greh ka Daura" is the
> > crux of
> > > > > the matter. Actually, this "Daura" is the time when any
> planet
> > comes
> > > > > to the First house of the horoscope. Any planet that comes
> on
> > in the
> > > > > Ist house (either in natal of Varsphal chart) will be the
> first
> > planet
> > > > > of 35-Yar cycle scheme. See the example of the following
> > imaginary
> > > > > planetary configuration of a natal chart:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1st house - empty
> > > > > 2nd house - empty
> > > > > 3rd house - mars
> > > > > 4th house - moon
> > > > > 5th house - Ketu
> > > > > 6th house - Jupiter
> > > > > 7th house - sun+Mer
> > > > > 8th house - venus
> > > > > 9th house - enpty
> > > > > 10th house -empty
> > > > > 11th house - Rahu
> > > > > 12th house -Saturn
> > > > >
> > > > > In this chart, First and second houses are empty. As per the
> > Varshphal
> > > > > chart, planet of the 3rd house (Mars) will come in the 1st
> house
> > > > > during the 3rd year of native's
> > > > > age. So from this 3rd year his first
> > > > > 35-years Cycle will begin with Mars as the first planet of
> 35-
> > year
> > > > > cycle, the other planets may follow accordingly.
> > > > >
> > > > > You must have noticed that sometimes back this 35-Saala
> chakkar
> > was
> > > > > described so maladroitly in another blog that it became
> a "35-
> > Saala
> > > > > Ghan-chakkar" since they never considered/studied the
> important
> > aspect
> > > > > of "Greh Ka Daura".
> > > > >
> > > > > Respectfully
> > > > > Yograj Prabhakar
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, kiranjit kumar
> > <kapatjal@ .>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dear Prabhakar ji,
> > > > > > ï¿½
> > > > > > going a little of the track from dharmi tewa.
> > > > > > ï¿½
> > > > > > u r very right that the 35 year cycle at birth may start
> with
> > any of
> > > > > the planets.
> > > > > > Could u please elaborate as to how to find outï¿½ the
> operative
> > planet
> > > > > at birth for a given horoscope as par 35 years
> > > > > claculations.
> > > > > > ï¿½
> > > > > > With best wishes;,
> > > > > > kiranjit
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...>
> > > > > > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa
> > > > > > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > > Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 5:11 PM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Respected Finn Sahib,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You explained this 11 lines example (LK-1952, Page 975)
> > beautifully;
> > > > > please accept my heartiest congratulations for this
> wonderful
> > post.
> > > > > With your permission, I am reproducing the full Para Quoted
> by
> > you
> > > > > with slight corrections (forgive me for capital letters) to
> > make the
> > > > > things easier to understand as there are manyï¿½ flaws in the
> > English
> > > > > translated book.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (Quote)
> > > > > >
> > > > > Houses built between the age of 17 and 19.
> > > > > > Sister born after 3 years. Malefic effect of Mercury til
> the
> > age
> > > > of 17.
> > > > > > Venus No. 11 - contact with women.
> > > > > > Jupiter No. 11 - MERE IMAGINATION,ï¿½
> > > > > > and FINALLY THE RESULT OF KETU 4 - NOCTURNAL EMISSION and
> > > > > MASTURBATION BEGAN, THATï¿½ REACHED TO ITS PEAK DURING THE AGE
> OF
> > 21.ï¿½
> > > > > > Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal
> > tendencies
> > > > > and signs of madness EMERGED. IN FACT, PROBLEM OF LACK OF
> SEMEN
> > > > > REMAINED HIDDEN IN THE BACKDROP, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR
> MARRIAGE
> > PROVED
> > > > > FUTILE.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (I think Pundit ji probably indicated that reason behind
> his
> > mental
> > > > > status and suicidal attitude was the result of likely
> impotency
> > > > > because of nocturnal emission and masturbation that caused
> the
> > > > > floundering of marriage proposals).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You have further written that:
> > > > > > \\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope
> > > > > is ruled
> > > > > by Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. ...\\
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may
> begin
> > with
> > > > > any of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not
> fit
> > > > > anywhere, neither as per the serial numbers given to planets
> in
> > the
> > > > > 35-year circulation neither according to its placement in the
> > > > > horoscope to be the first planet of 35-year circulation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Respectfully
> > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, "Finn Wandahl"
> > > > > <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Members,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi
> > Tewa, I
> > > > > came to
> > > > > > > think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets
> combined
> > with
> > > > > one or
> > > > > > > more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey
> > Tewa (Blind
> > > > > > > chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/ Non-adult chart),
> > > > > etc.,
> > > > > meaning when
> > > > > > > two or more types of combinations are available in the
> same
> > > > horoscope.
> > > > > > > This give rise to a number of different variations. This
> way
> > > > obviously
> > > > > > > Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number
> of
> > very
> > > > > > > interesting observations can be made. In this context I
> > couldn't
> > > > help
> > > > > > > remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annual
> > > > > predictions in
> > > > > > > LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting
> > combined
> > > > > > > Tewa-types.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of
> Scorpio-
> > Asc with
> > > > > > > Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in
> 10th,
> > Jup &
> > > > > Ven in
> > > > > > > 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and
> > contradictive
> > > > > > > influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a
> > Dharmi
> > > > > Tewa
> > > > > since
> > > > > > > there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same
> time
> > the
> > > > chart
> > > > > > > also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as
> I
> > will
> > > > explain
> > > > > > > later. I think these different and contradictive
> influences
> > needs
> > > > > to be
> > > > > > > taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is
> > needed.
> > > > > There is
> > > > > > > much more in this chart than what meets the eye.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but
> brilliant
> > > > delineation
> > > > > > > of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in
> > details,
> > > > > taking it
> > > > > > > bit by bit:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (Quote:) "Houses built between the age of 17 and 19.
> Sister
> > born
> > > > > after 3
> > > > > > > years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17.
> Venus
> > No. 11 -
> > > > > > > contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts
> and
> > > > results in
> > > > > > > Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked
> > > > > at the age of
> > > > > > > 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21.
> Suicidal
> > > > > tendencies
> > > > > > > and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage
> > proposal
> > > > > > > floundered".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of
> this
> > person?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by
> > being in
> > > > > the 6th
> > > > > > > and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by
> > itself
> > > > means
> > > > > > > favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives
> > excellent
> > > > > > > results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it
> > actually
> > > > > does in
> > > > > > > this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for
> half
> > period of
> > > > > > > Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to
> give
> > its
> > > > > separate
> > > > > > > effect, and therefore the houses could be built only
> after
> > the
> > > > age of
> > > > > > > 17.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why is a sister
> > > > > born after 3 years?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As we all know, the first six years of life any
> horoscope is
> > > > ruled by
> > > > > > > Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn
> is
> > in the 6th
> > > > > > > house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a
> malefic
> > > > > effect This
> > > > > > > is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn
> > aspects
> > > > Mars in
> > > > > > > the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize
> itself
> > in the
> > > > > form
> > > > > > > of a younger brother.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However, at the same time there is another exception
> rule in
> > > > operation
> > > > > > > in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury
> is
> > in the
> > > > > 12th
> > > > > > > house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since
> both
> > > > > Mercury and
> > > > > > > the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to
> > > > indicate the
> > > > > > > birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at
> that
> > particular
> > > > > > > age.
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination
> in
> > the
> > > > > 11th, as
> > > > > > > indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts,
> > meaning no
> > > > > > > substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is
> > probably the
> > > > > > > results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself
> is
> > said
> > > > > to give
> > > > > > > false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu
> > No. 4 -
> > > > > loos of
> > > > > > > semen (masturbation? ). Perhaps also because there is a
> > > > > 6/8-relationship
> > > > > > > (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter
> in
> > the 11th..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is
> half
> > the
> > > > > period of
> > > > > > > Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly
> caused
> > by the
> > > > > malefic
> > > > > > > Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th.
> Rahu
> > is
> > > > > destroyed
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more,
> Rahu &
> > > > Ketu in
> > > > > > > 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also
> makes
> > a Nabalig
> > > > > > > Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking
> in
> > maturity..
> > > > > > > According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will
> always
> > have
> > > > > to seek
> > > > > > > help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will
> peak
> > at 21
> > > > > in this
> > > > > > > case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of
> > both
> > > > Dharmi &
> > > > > > > Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but
> a
> > poor
> > > > Guru.
> > > > > > > But that is another discussion.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the
> > circle of
> > > > > Mercury
> > > > > > > at the age of 21 years?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To know this we need to understand the "Modus operandi"
> of
> > Rahu
> > > > in the
> > > > > > > 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury
> in
> > the
> > > > > 10th
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic,
> they
> > will be
> > > > > twice
> > > > > > > beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn
> is
> > benefic
> > > > > being
> > > > > > > in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is
> actually
> > > > located in
> > > > > > > the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What is the "Empty Circle of Mercury"?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion and
> > > > > experience the
> > > > > > > "Empty Circle of Mercury" is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and
> 12th
> > houses.
> > > > > There
> > > > > > > are some good arguments in support of this. It is said
> in LK
> > > > that Rahu
> > > > > > > and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes
> > sense since
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in
> the
> > > > 3rd, 6th,
> > > > > > > 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet
> > capable of
> > > > > > > aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only
> > > > > from the 3rd and
> > > > > > > 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th
> and
> > 12th (as
> > > > > rules
> > > > > > > of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this
> evil
> > circle it
> > > > > > > becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where
> > you see the
> > > > > > > illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque
> > forms and
> > > > > > > shapes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the
> 10th
> > is
> > > > > malefic.
> > > > > > > Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves,
> being
> > > > transmitted
> > > > > > > through Saturn, are moving within the "Empty Circle of
> > Mercury".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is however also another possible explanation for
> this.
> > > > Earlier I
> > > > > > > said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an
> > Andhey Tewa,
> > > > > > > meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It
> is
> > said
> > > > > in LK
> > > > > > > that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even
> if
> > exalted,
> > > > > > > would behave like the blind people and Sat will be
> malefic.
> > The
> > > > powers
> > > > > > > of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly
> > affected.
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> > > > > > > But how can this chart be blind when there is only one
> > planet,
> > > > > Rahu, in
> > > > > > > the 10th house?
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> > > > > > > Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very
> carefully
> > at the
> > > > > 12th
> > > > > > > house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house
> and
> > therefore
> > > > > > > there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually
> > this is
> > > > > all it
> > > > > > > takes to turn this into a blind chart.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of
> madness
> > are the
> > > > > > > combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to
> malefic
> > Rahu,
> > > > blind
> > > > > > > chart indication and the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > Finn Wandahl
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