Astrostudents-Group Discussions: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa & 35-year circulation

Dear Yograj Ji,

I am glad to see that you read my post about Example 17. I think it is a wonderful little example of what a brilliant super-astrologer Pundit Ji was. As you have rightly said the example was only 11 lines, but my explanation of the same took 3 full pages. In spite of the fact that I actually shorted it down, since the first version was 5-6 pages, which I thought was too long. However, 5-6 full pages of explanation of only 11 lines might seems ridiculous, but the example is so pregnant with information and meaning, that actually so much more can be said about it.

> You have further written that:
> \\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is ruled by
> Saturn as per the 35-years circulation....\\
>
> I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may begin with any
> of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not fit anywhere,
> neither as per the serial numbers given to planets in the 35-year
> circulation neither according to its placement in the horoscope to be
> the first planet of 35-year circulation.

Please, I am afraid this is precisely correct . Actually there are two different methods of 35-years circulation explained in LK-1952. The method you are referring to is however very poorly illustrated in the book, and till now I have not come across any sound explanation of the same. If someone could explain me how to do it, I would be very interested.

However, in the chapter about Annual Predictions, which is in fact also the chapter giving Example 17, you will find a table giving the periodic effect of each planet during life on page 212 in the english translation. It is also the chapter explaining about Varshphal, monthly, daily charts etc. As you can clearly see, this table is actually a variation of the 35-years circulation, which is explained much earlier in the book. I will give the content of the table here for the benefit of the members.

Saturn        1st- 6th year     36th-41st year 71st-76th year
Rahu          7th-12th year        42nd-47th year      77th-82nd year
Ketu          13th-15th year       48th-50th year     83rd-85th year
Jupiter     16th-21st year        51st-56th year    86th-91st year
Sun             22nd-23rd year 57th-58th year     92nd-93rd year
Moon         24th year                  59th year                  94th year
Venus    25th-27th year      60th-62nd year    95th-97th year
Mars           28th-33rd year      63rd-68th year       98th-103rd year
Mercury   34th-35th year     69th-70th year     104th-1o5th year

Clearly the rationale behind this table is that the period of each planet starts in the special year connected to that planet, like 16th year for Jupiter, 24th year for Moon, 36th year for Saturn and 48th year for Ketu, etc. etc.

I have been using this method for years getting wonderful results by it. The method is very fast and easy to use - and also it is easy to remember. I can most certainly recomment this method!

Yours friendly,
Finn

--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Yograj Prabhakar" <yr_prabhakar@...> wrote:
>
> Respected Finn Sahib,
>
> You explained this 11 lines example (LK-1952, Page 975) beautifully;
> please accept my heartiest congratulations for this wonderful post. With
> your permission, I am reproducing the full Para Quoted by you with
> slight corrections (forgive me for capital letters) to make the things
> easier to understand as there are many flaws in the English translated
> book.
>
> (Quote)
> Houses built between the age of 17 and 19.
> Sister born after 3 years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17.
> Venus No. 11 - contact with women.
> Jupiter No. 11 - MERE IMAGINATION,
> and FINALLY THE RESULT OF KETU 4 - NOCTURNAL EMISSION and MASTURBATION
> BEGAN, THAT REACHED TO ITS PEAK DURING THE AGE OF 21.
> Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal tendencies and
> signs of madness EMERGED. IN FACT, PROBLEM OF LACK OF SEMEN REMAINED
> HIDDEN IN THE BACKDROP, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR MARRIAGE PROVED FUTILE.
>
> (I think Pundit ji probably indicated that reason behind his mental
> status and suicidal attitude was the result of likely impotency because
> of nocturnal emission and masturbation that caused the floundering of
> marriage proposals).
>
> You have further written that:
> \\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is ruled by
> Saturn as per the 35-years circulation....\\
>
> I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may begin with any
> of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not fit anywhere,
> neither as per the serial numbers given to planets in the 35-year
> circulation neither according to its placement in the horoscope to be
> the first planet of 35-year circulation.
>
> Respectfully
> Yograj Prabhakar
>
>
> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Finn Wandahl" finn.wandahl@
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Members,
> >
> > While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi Tewa, I came
> to
> > think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets combined with one
> or
> > more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey Tewa (Blind
> > chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/Non-adult chart), etc., meaning
> when
> > two or more types of combinations are available in the same horoscope.
> > This give rise to a number of different variations. This way obviously
> > Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number of very
> > interesting observations can be made. In this context I couldn't help
> > remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annual predictions
> in
> > LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting combined
> > Tewa-types.
> >
> > Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of Scorpio-Asc with
> > Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in 10th, Jup & Ven
> in
> > 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house.
> >
> > The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and contradictive
> > influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a Dharmi Tewa
> since
> > there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same time the chart
> > also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as I will explain
> > later. I think these different and contradictive influences needs to
> be
> > taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is needed. There
> is
> > much more in this chart than what meets the eye.
> >
> > Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but brilliant delineation
> > of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in details, taking
> it
> > bit by bit:
> >
> > (Quote:) "Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. Sister born after
> 3
> > years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. Venus No. 11 -
> > contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts and results in
> > Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked at the age of
> > 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal
> tendencies
> > and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage proposal
> > floundered".
> >
> > Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of this person?
> >
> > Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by being in the
> 6th
> > and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by itself means
> > favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives excellent
> > results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it actually does
> in
> > this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for half period of
> > Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to give its
> separate
> > effect, and therefore the houses could be built only after the age of
> > 17.
> >
> > Why is a sister born after 3 years?
> >
> > As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is ruled by
> > Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn is in the 6th
> > house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a malefic effect
> This
> > is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn aspects Mars in
> > the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize itself in the
> form
> > of a younger brother.
> >
> > However, at the same time there is another exception rule in operation
> > in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury is in the
> 12th
> > house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since both Mercury
> and
> > the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to indicate the
> > birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at that particular
> > age.
> >
> > Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination in the 11th,
> as
> > indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts, meaning no
> > substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is probably the
> > results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself is said to
> give
> > false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu No. 4 - loos
> of
> > semen (masturbation?). Perhaps also because there is a
> 6/8-relationship
> > (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter in the 11th.
> >
> > Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21?
> >
> > This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is half the period
> of
> > Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly caused by the
> malefic
> > Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th. Rahu is
> destroyed
> > (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more, Rahu & Ketu in
> > 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also makes a Nabalig
> > Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking in maturity.
> > According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will always have to
> seek
> > help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will peak at 21 in
> this
> > case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of both Dharmi &
> > Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but a poor Guru.
> > But that is another discussion.
> >
> > What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the circle of
> Mercury
> > at the age of 21 years?
> >
> > To know this we need to understand the "Modus operandi" of Rahu in the
> > 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury in the 10th
> will
> > move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic, they will be
> twice
> > beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn is benefic
> being
> > in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is actually located in
> > the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
> >
> > What is the "Empty Circle of Mercury"?
> >
> > Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion and experience
> the
> > "Empty Circle of Mercury" is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th houses.
> There
> > are some good arguments in support of this. It is said in LK that Rahu
> > and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes sense since
> they
> > have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in the 3rd, 6th,
> > 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet capable of
> > aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only from the 3rd and
> > 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th and 12th (as
> rules
> > of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this evil circle it
> > becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where you see the
> > illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque forms and
> > shapes.
> >
> > Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness?
> >
> > Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the 10th is
> malefic.
> > Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves, being transmitted
> > through Saturn, are moving within the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
> >
> > There is however also another possible explanation for this. Earlier I
> > said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an Andhey Tewa,
> > meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It is said in LK
> > that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even if exalted,
> > would behave like the blind people and Sat will be malefic. The powers
> > of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly affected.
> >
> > But how can this chart be blind when there is only one planet, Rahu,
> in
> > the 10th house?
> >
> > Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very carefully at the
> 12th
> > house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house and therefore
> > there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually this is all
> it
> > takes to turn this into a blind chart.
> >
> > In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness are the
> > combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to malefic Rahu, blind
> > chart indication and the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Finn Wandahl
> >
>