Dear Finn ji,
In brief I want to sat that cycle of 35th years start from "Janam
Samay Ka Grah( Planet which is authorised for birth Time)" Which
planet authorised for which time Pt. ji given a Table on page no.7
in his first book thaht's called "Farmaan 1939 Edition".
Thanks
Regards
Umesh Sharma
--- In astrostudents@
<finn.wandahl@
>
> Dear Umesh Sharma,
>
> I do not understand hindi/urdu, so kindly write me in english.
>
> Best regards,
> Finn
>
>
> -- In astrostudents@
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Finn Ji,
> >
> > First of all accept my Heartily Salute. The charms of your
analysis
> > captivate the Soul.
> >
> > Sir, in case of " 35 sala Chakkar" My observation is below
> >
> > Pt. Ji wrote in:-
> >
> > Aarmaan no. 113 A, Chapter: " EK DIN KA HAAL"
> > LK-Edition-1940"
> >
> > 1. Har Ek Vyakati Ki Kismat Ka Haal "Janam Samay Ke Grah" se
> > shuru hota hey.
> >
> > Chapter "PAHLE SAPTAH MAIN"
> >
> > K. TAKHAT KE MAALIK GRAHON KE LIYE: ( Yani Varshaphal vali Talika)
> >
> > " JANAM SAMAY KA GRAH SABSE PAHLE SHURU HONE VALA GINEGAIN"
> > Uskey baad Lalkitab page no. 7(Pt. Ji ne yah havala 1939 vali
kitab ka
> > diya hey jismain unhoney grahon ka kraram (Sequence) di hey) par
diye
> > huey karram se baki grahon ko likhaingey.
> >
> > I try to explain this method with below example
> >
> > Date of Birth: 15-09-1985 Time:-15:20 Day: Sunday Place: Delhi
> >
> > Janam Din Ka Grah- Surya
> >
> > Janam Samay ka Grah- Venus
> >
> > Now The sequence Start from
> >
> > Venus 3yrs +Jupiter 6yrs+Sun 2yrs+Moon 1yrs+ Venus 3yrs+Mars
6yrs+Merc
> > 2yrs+Shani 6yrs+Rahu 6yrs+Ketu 3yrs=Total-59yra. The First cucle
of
> > 35th year is running upto 38th years. Iind cycle Start from its
own
> > sequence that is start with Jupiter.
> >
> > In this contest you can read: "35 SAALA CHAKKAR" in 1952 Edition
> > : Pt. Ji wrote " Grahon ka 35 saala chakkar aur Insaan ki Umar ka
35
> > saala chakkar do alag alag batain hain."
> >
> > In this regard pt. Ji given a example in this chapter in which
pt. Ji
> > wrote about this " Ki eska pehla grah brahaspati ki bajay Shani
shuru ho
> > aur Janamdin ki bajay 7vain saal se shuru ho. Ab tamam grah 35
saal main
> > hi apna daura poora kar lengey. Jab aakhiri grah ka aakhiri din
hoga us
> > vakat Insaan ki Umar 35 saal ka daura jama 6 saal, yaani kul umar
41
> > saal hey aur doosra chakkar janamDin valley grah ki doosri chaal
hogi.
> >
> > I am not claim that I am right but my understanding is this.
> >
>
>
>
> > Thanks
> >
>
>
>
> > Regards
> >
>
>
>
> > Umesh Sharma
> >
> > --- In astrostudents@
<finn.wandahl@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Yograj Ji,
> > >
> > > This information on how to calculate 35-years circulation is
very
> > > interesting. Thank you for sharing it!
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Finn
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In astrostudents@
> > > yr_prabhakar@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Respected Dr Sahib,
> > > > Sa'adar Pranaam.
> > > >
> > > > Sir, In case of more than one planet in one house, we have to
follow
> > > the serial number given to each planet in the 35-year cycle.
> > > >
> > > > Respectfully
> > > > Yograj Prabhakar
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 25/11/08, kiranjit kumar kapatjal@ wrote:
> > > > From: kiranjit kumar kapatjal@
> > > > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa
> > > > To: astrostudents@
> > > > Date: Tuesday, 25 November, 2008, 7:33 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > thanks prabhakar ji. But what if more than one planets r
> > > placed in the first house in the natal chart?
> > > > Â
> > > > with best wishes,
> > > > kiranjit
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@
yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ yahoo.com>
> > > > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa
> > > > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:37 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Respected Dr. Sahib,
> > > > Sa'adar Pranaam.
> > > >
> > > > for understanding the 35-year circle one must be aware of the
> > crucial
> > > > concept of "Greh Ka Daura" (tenure), "Greh ka Daura" is the
crux of
> > > > the matter. Actually, this "Daura" is the time when any
planet comes
> > > > to the First house of the horoscope. Any planet that comes on
in the
> > > > Ist house (either in natal of Varsphal chart) will be the
first
> > planet
> > > > of 35-Yar cycle scheme. See the example of the following
imaginary
> > > > planetary configuration of a natal chart:
> > > >
> > > > 1st house - empty
> > > > 2nd house - empty
> > > > 3rd house - mars
> > > > 4th house - moon
> > > > 5th house - Ketu
> > > > 6th house - Jupiter
> > > > 7th house - sun+Mer
> > > > 8th house - venus
> > > > 9th house - enpty
> > > > 10th house -empty
> > > > 11th house - Rahu
> > > > 12th house -Saturn
> > > >
> > > > In this chart, First and second houses are empty. As per the
> > Varshphal
> > > > chart, planet of the 3rd house (Mars) will come in the 1st
house
> > > > during the 3rd year of native's
> > > > age. So from this 3rd year his first
> > > > 35-years Cycle will begin with Mars as the first planet of 35-
year
> > > > cycle, the other planets may follow accordingly.
> > > >
> > > > You must have noticed that sometimes back this 35-Saala
chakkar was
> > > > described so maladroitly in another blog that it became a "35-
Saala
> > > > Ghan-chakkar" since they never considered/studied the
important
> > aspect
> > > > of "Greh Ka Daura".
> > > >
> > > > Respectfully
> > > > Yograj Prabhakar
> > > >
> > > > --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, kiranjit kumar
<kapatjal@ .>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > dear Prabhakar ji,
> > > > > Â
> > > > > going a little of the track from dharmi tewa.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > u r very right that the 35 year cycle at birth may start
with any
> > of
> > > > the planets.
> > > > > Could u please elaborate as to how to find out the
operative
> > planet
> > > > at birth for a given horoscope as par 35 years
> > > > claculations.
> > > > > Â
> > > > > With best wishes;,
> > > > > kiranjit
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...>
> > > > > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: dharmi tewa
> > > > > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 5:11 PM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Respected Finn Sahib,
> > > > >
> > > > > You explained this 11 lines example (LK-1952, Page 975)
> > beautifully;
> > > > please accept my heartiest congratulations for this wonderful
post.
> > > > With your permission, I am reproducing the full Para Quoted
by you
> > > > with slight corrections (forgive me for capital letters) to
make the
> > > > things easier to understand as there are many flaws in the
> > English
> > > > translated book.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Quote)
> > > > >
> > > > Houses built between the age of 17 and 19.
> > > > > Sister born after 3 years. Malefic effect of Mercury til
the age
> > > of 17.
> > > > > Venus No. 11 - contact with women.
> > > > > Jupiter No. 11 - MERE IMAGINATION,Â
> > > > > and FINALLY THE RESULT OF KETU 4 - NOCTURNAL EMISSION and
> > > > MASTURBATION BEGAN, THATÂ REACHED TO ITS PEAK DURING THE AGE
OF
> > 21.Â
> > > > > Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal
> > tendencies
> > > > and signs of madness EMERGED. IN FACT, PROBLEM OF LACK OF
SEMEN
> > > > REMAINED HIDDEN IN THE BACKDROP, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR
MARRIAGE
> > PROVED
> > > > FUTILE.
> > > > >
> > > > > (I think Pundit ji probably indicated that reason behind his
> > mental
> > > > status and suicidal attitude was the result of likely
impotency
> > > > because of nocturnal emission and masturbation that caused the
> > > > floundering of marriage proposals).
> > > > >
> > > > > You have further written that:
> > > > > \\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope
> > > > is ruled
> > > > by Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. ...\\
> > > > >
> > > > > I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may
begin with
> > > > any of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not
fit
> > > > anywhere, neither as per the serial numbers given to planets
in the
> > > > 35-year circulation neither according to its placement in the
> > > > horoscope to be the first planet of 35-year circulation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Respectfully
> > > > > Yograj Prabhakar
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, "Finn Wandahl"
> > > > <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Members,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi
Tewa, I
> > > > came to
> > > > > > think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets
combined with
> > > > one or
> > > > > > more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey
Tewa
> > (Blind
> > > > > > chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/ Non-adult chart),
> > > > etc.,
> > > > meaning when
> > > > > > two or more types of combinations are available in the
same
> > > horoscope.
> > > > > > This give rise to a number of different variations. This
way
> > > obviously
> > > > > > Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number
of very
> > > > > > interesting observations can be made. In this context I
couldn't
> > > help
> > > > > > remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annual
> > > > predictions in
> > > > > > LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting
combined
> > > > > > Tewa-types.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of
Scorpio-Asc
> > with
> > > > > > Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in
10th, Jup &
> > > > Ven in
> > > > > > 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and
contradictive
> > > > > > influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a
Dharmi
> > > > Tewa
> > > > since
> > > > > > there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same
time the
> > > chart
> > > > > > also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as I
will
> > > explain
> > > > > > later. I think these different and contradictive
influences
> > needs
> > > > to be
> > > > > > taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is
needed.
> > > > There is
> > > > > > much more in this chart than what meets the eye.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but brilliant
> > > delineation
> > > > > > of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in
details,
> > > > taking it
> > > > > > bit by bit:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (Quote:) "Houses built between the age of 17 and 19.
Sister born
> > > > after 3
> > > > > > years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. Venus
No. 11
> > -
> > > > > > contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts
and
> > > results in
> > > > > > Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked
> > > > at the age of
> > > > > > 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21.
Suicidal
> > > > tendencies
> > > > > > and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage
proposal
> > > > > > floundered".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of
this
> > person?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by
being in
> > > > the 6th
> > > > > > and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by
itself
> > > means
> > > > > > favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives
excellent
> > > > > > results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it
actually
> > > > does in
> > > > > > this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for half
> > period of
> > > > > > Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to
give its
> > > > separate
> > > > > > effect, and therefore the houses could be built only
after the
> > > age of
> > > > > > 17.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why is a sister
> > > > born after 3 years?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope
is
> > > ruled by
> > > > > > Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn is
in the
> > 6th
> > > > > > house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a
malefic
> > > > effect This
> > > > > > is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn
aspects
> > > Mars in
> > > > > > the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize
itself in
> > the
> > > > form
> > > > > > of a younger brother.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, at the same time there is another exception rule
in
> > > operation
> > > > > > in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury
is in
> > the
> > > > 12th
> > > > > > house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since
both
> > > > Mercury and
> > > > > > the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to
> > > indicate the
> > > > > > birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at that
> > particular
> > > > > > age.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination
in the
> > > > 11th, as
> > > > > > indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts,
meaning
> > no
> > > > > > substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is
probably
> > the
> > > > > > results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself
is said
> > > > to give
> > > > > > false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu
No. 4 -
> > > > loos of
> > > > > > semen (masturbation? ). Perhaps also because there is a
> > > > 6/8-relationship
> > > > > > (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter
in the
> > 11th.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is half
the
> > > > period of
> > > > > > Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly caused
by the
> > > > malefic
> > > > > > Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th.
Rahu is
> > > > destroyed
> > > > >
> > > > > (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more,
Rahu &
> > > Ketu in
> > > > > > 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also
makes a
> > Nabalig
> > > > > > Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking in
> > maturity.
> > > > > > According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will
always have
> > > > to seek
> > > > > > help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will
peak at 21
> > > > in this
> > > > > > case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of
both
> > > Dharmi &
> > > > > > Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but
a poor
> > > Guru.
> > > > > > But that is another discussion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the
circle of
> > > > Mercury
> > > > > > at the age of 21 years?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To know this we need to understand the "Modus operandi"
of Rahu
> > > in the
> > > > > > 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury
in the
> > > > 10th
> > > > will
> > > > > > move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic,
they will
> > be
> > > > twice
> > > > > > beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn is
> > benefic
> > > > being
> > > > > > in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is
actually
> > > located in
> > > > > > the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is the "Empty Circle of Mercury"?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion and
> > > > experience the
> > > > > > "Empty Circle of Mercury" is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th
> > houses.
> > > > There
> > > > > > are some good arguments in support of this. It is said in
LK
> > > that Rahu
> > > > > > and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes
sense
> > since
> > > > they
> > > > > > have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in
the
> > > 3rd, 6th,
> > > > > > 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet
capable of
> > > > > > aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only
> > > > from the 3rd and
> > > > > > 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th and
12th
> > (as
> > > > rules
> > > > > > of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this evil
circle
> > it
> > > > > > becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where
you see
> > the
> > > > > > illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque
forms
> > and
> > > > > > shapes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the
10th is
> > > > malefic.
> > > > > > Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves, being
> > > transmitted
> > > > > > through Saturn, are moving within the "Empty Circle of
Mercury".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is however also another possible explanation for
this.
> > > Earlier I
> > > > > > said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an
Andhey
> > Tewa,
> > > > > > meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It
is said
> > > > in LK
> > > > > > that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even if
> > exalted,
> > > > > > would behave like the blind people and Sat will be
malefic. The
> > > powers
> > > > > > of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly
> > affected.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But how can this chart be blind when there is only one
planet,
> > > > Rahu, in
> > > > > > the 10th house?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very
carefully at
> > the
> > > > 12th
> > > > > > house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house and
> > therefore
> > > > > > there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually
this is
> > > > all it
> > > > > > takes to turn this into a blind chart.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of
madness are
> > the
> > > > > > combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to
malefic Rahu,
> > > blind
> > > > > > chart indication and the "Empty Circle of Mercury".
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > Finn Wandahl
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