marriage when the ceremony of kanyadaan etc vidhi vidhan are followed
or the first sexual union/ copulation is included in this term. Same
with birth of child. Is what we call illegitimate included when u talk
of progeny Regards. Kulbir.
On 6/5/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Kulbir Ji,
> Sorry for using wrong word,My intention is to test the event
> which occured and we all known the time of event (marriage, progeny)
> In Lal kitab there are well defined rules and it can be easily be tested.
>
> Let me tell you why astrology inspired me.
>
> In my horoscope one astrologer has clearly defined all the event
> and all the event occured within the range date he has written.
>
> event like: Marriage Date range, Birth of first son, Foreign travel,
> Stream of education etc.
> He described all the event with a range of date and all the events
> occured within that date range.
>
> That's what I am expecting from the Lal kitab also if The rule for Marriage
> and progeny is written then it should tested and verified.
>
> Whatever a person needs to know in his/her life every thing is there
> in the Lal kitab only need to test and verify it.
>
>
> Regards
> Ashok Singh
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 6/4/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Test the Prediction
>> To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 10:20 PM
>> Ashok ji, this is not prediction.
>> This is post mortem. Once an event
>> has occurred, it can be justified in many ways. Take the
>> example of
>> some political assassinations. No one predicted it
>> beforehand but
>> there were justifications by astrologers in each and every
>> journal
>> after the event. Prediction means to foretell an event.
>> What u r
>> calling for is the collection of events already past.
>> Regards. Kulbir.
>>
>> On 6/5/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Dear Astrologers,
>> > We can easily test at least Marriage and progeny rules
>> of Lal Kitab.
>> > In Lal kitab there is set of 10-12 rules and for the
>> married person
>> > (know Date and time of marriage) can easily create
>> auunal chart of that
>> > year and find wheather any of the condition matches or
>> not.
>> >
>> > and then we will calculate the % of accuracy.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Ashok
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@yahoo.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Upayagers or Astrologers
>> ?
>> > To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
>> > Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 10:16 AM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Kulbir ji
>> >
>> > "Ilm-qayafa" is not any independent term; it is rather
>> a vast collection of
>> > various aspect consisting of palmistry, phrenology,
>> vaastu,
>> > "desh-kaal-samay", faiths & beliefs and so on.
>> Believe me; this has been in
>> > our blood for the ages. Scores of examples can be
>> given in this regard, but
>> > I would like to share an interesting tale with you to
>> make myself clear.
>> >
>> > Once a foreigner came to India as he heard that
>> predictive astrology is
>> > present everywhere. He visited a small village to
>> verify the same. While he
>> > was entering the village he saw a small boy came
>> running, he stopped that
>> > boy and asked why he was running? The boy replied
>> since it is going to rain
>> > very soon, so he wanted to reach his him. The
>> foreigner looked upon the
>> > clear skies and told the boy that there will be no
>> rain as there are no rain
>> > clouds anywhere in the sky.. After the boy left, he
>> saw a Sheppard coming
>> > with his herd in a great hurry. The foreigner asked
>> him why he was running
>> > like a mad. The Sheppard replied he wanted to reach
>> his home before the rain
>> > starts. The foreigner was again surprised and tried
>> to convince the
>> > Sheppard about the clear skies but he did not listened
>> and left hurriedly.
>> > Then he saw a poor man running like a mad, the
>> foreigner stopped and asked
>> > him the reason, the man replied that it is going to
>> rain pretty soon
>> > so he want to go to his place as soon as
>> possible. Finally, he saw a
>> > worried farmer who was running towards his home; the
>> foreigner asked him
>> > whether he too was expecting rain? Incidentally the
>> farmer replied in
>> > affirmative and left the scene.
>> >
>> > The foreigner laughed at the nonsense of those
>> ignorant people, and wrote in
>> > his note book that it is not the predictive astrology
>> but the stupidly that
>> > is present everywhere in India. As he finished his
>> notes, suddenly the
>> > drizzling begin, and within no time the dark clouds
>> appeared from nowhere
>> > and there was a heavy rain for quite some time. The
>> surprised foreigner
>> > decided to meet all those who "predicted" the rain. He
>> first approached the
>> > little boy and asked him how he "predicted". The boy
>> answered innocently:
>> >
>> > "I saw a lot and lot of dragon flies (called beenDa in
>> Punjabi - remember
>> > the famous helicopter insect during the rainy season?)
>> all over, and my
>> > grandfather once told me that this is the indication
>> that rain is coming."
>> >
>> > He then asked the same question to Sheppard , the
>> Sheppard replied that
>> > while he was relaxing in a cave of a mountain he
>> suddenly felt that the
>> > walls of the caves were getting moist, and that he
>> knows from his childhood
>> > that this is the indication of the rain. He then asked
>> the poor man, the
>> > poor man replied that he is an opium addict and before
>> the rain came, he
>> > found that his opium was dying turning (turning yellow
>> with moisture). He
>> > immediately realized that the rain is on its way. The
>> stunned foreigner
>> > finally approached the farmer and asked him about his
>> "logic", the farmer
>> > calmly and coolly replied that he saw that the
>> Aloe-vera plants (ghee
>> > kunwar) in his fields suddenly raised their head
>> straight towards the sky,
>> > and that he was aware from his childhood that this is
>> the clear signal of
>> > the heavy rain.
>> >
>> > The moral of the story is that whatever those four
>> persons described, the
>> > "rationale" behind their "prediction" was nothing but
>> a small part of
>> > "Ilm-Qayafa" .
>> >
>> > God bless you always
>> > Yograj Prabhakar
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>> > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
>> > Sent: Thursday, 4 June, 2009 2:23:52 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Upayagers or Astrologers
>> ?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Respected Prabhakar Ji, i think Illm Qyafa needs
>> proper
>> > definition/explanat ion and how to apply it properly
>> if not perfectly.
>> > It shall be very kind of you if ur goodself could shed
>> some light
>> > regarding this. I think it is some sort of combination
>> in respect of
>> > keen observation and its application with relation to
>> intution. But
>> > not clear. Kindly guide. With regards. Kulbir.
>> >
>> > On 6/3/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Dear Gurujan and friends,
>> >>
>> >> I am a new learner of lal kitab. For timing of
>> event I guess to some
>> >> extend
>> >> we can find from lal kitab. here is the rule and
>> please comment on it if I
>> >> am wrong or if it can be improved.
>> >>
>> >> 1. Consider 35 Saal Desha, Average planet life and
>> Planet Active during 1
>> >> year of period.
>> >>
>> >> A- Consider Avg. Life of a planets.
>> >> a) Planets in house no 2 starts from Life period
>> minus avg period.i.e Ju
>> >> 59
>> >> to 75
>> >> b) Planets in House no 9 starts from the Avg life
>> of planets i.e Ju starts
>> >> from 16 to 32 or Su
>> >> from 22 to 44 etc.
>> >> c) In all other houses it starts from starting
>> from birth i.e. Ju from
>> >> birth
>> >> to 16 years.
>> >> d) Consider all the other condition i.e Su with
>> Ra Avg life of Su is zero
>> >> or
>> >> Moon with Ke is 11 years.
>> >>
>> >> B. 35 Years Dasha
>> >> a) 35 Years Dasha should be consider and created.
>> >>
>> >> C. For every year Annual planet activte period
>> should be consider.
>> >> i.e Ju 32 days, Su 22 days etc
>> >>
>> >> After creating all the tables the real game
>> starts:
>> >>
>> >> i.e Ju in House No. 1 and Sun,Moon or Mars in
>> House No. 1,2,4
>> >> Result: Earning from royal court will be extremely
>> high.
>> >> Analysis:
>> >> Now we will see what time periods this four
>> planets are active
>> >> simultaneously
>> >> this way we can find not only the time of event
>> but also the life time of
>> >> event.
>> >> (How long this result will stay)
>> >>
>> >> If you read the examples given in lal kitab it is
>> also described there.
>> >>
>> >> If I am not clear please feel free to ask me or I
>> am open to any question.
>> >>
>> >> WAITING FOR YOUR COMMENTS
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Ashok
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- On Tue, 6/2/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@
>> gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Upayagers or
>> Astrologers ?
>> >> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
>> >> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 5:47 AM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Respected Goel ji, can u share a little bit as to
>> how u make pin point
>> >> predictions for future events using lalkitab. I
>> mean event, time of
>> >> occurence. Rider is that the principle applied
>> should be applicable to
>> >> all or similar cases. It shouldn't be applicable
>> to a single or Very
>> >> Few cases. Plz take it in positive attitude.
>> Looking forward to learn
>> >> something from your goodself. Regards. Kulbir.
>> >>
>> >> On 6/2/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ yahoo.
>> co.in> wrote:
>> >>> Dear Gautam ji,
>> >>> It looks you happen to meet a person who may
>> not be knowing
>> >>> abc of Lalkitab.
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> G.K.GOEL
>> >>> Ph: 09350311433
>> >>> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR
>> >>> NEW DELHI-110 076
>> >>> INDIA
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>> >>> From: Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@
>> gmail.com>
>> >>> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, 2 June, 2009 2:10:34 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Upayagers or
>> Astrologers ?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I usually practice KP system of astrology, I
>> have been able to make many
>> >>> successful predictions
>> >>> both on horary and natal chart.
>> >>>
>> >>> This year in delhi a Nakshatra exhibition was
>> held, out of curiousity i
>> >>> went
>> >>> to a stall which
>> >>> was dedicated to lal kitab books, the author
>> was present there.
>> >>>
>> >>> I too bought couple of books, i asked him how
>> to make predictions using
>> >>> lal
>> >>> kitab he said that
>> >>> predictions cannot be made from lal kitab, its
>> main use is to neutralise
>> >>> the
>> >>> bad planetary effects.
>> >>>
>> >>> Gautam.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:45 AM, kulbir bance
>> <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Sir, to check and verify the nature of planets
>> corresponding to past
>> >>> events and present/prevailing conditions like
>> vaastu, physique, palm,
>> >>> status of and with different relatives and to
>> suggest remedies to the
>> >>> native to enhance positive planatary influence
>> and minimise negative
>> >>> influence to take benefit of doubt is one
>> thing. To predict future is
>> >>> totally different aspect. Lalkitab places a
>> certain degree of command
>> >>> in native's hands which he may use either way.
>> So how is it possible
>> >>> to predict future with certainity. Also e.g.
>> In case of Combined
>> >>> destiny of father-son. Or like in some cases
>> like the one discussed in
>> >>> the last part of 1952 edition the birth of the
>> son brought a windfall
>> >>> gains in the father's life. How can u predict
>> when the son is still
>> >>> not born. Another e.g. is the case of copper
>> mixed gold bangles which
>> >>> were cut and resulted in misfortune. Lalkitab
>> in its introduction says
>> >>> that the purpose of the book is to nullify
>> hinderances in results
>> >>> promised by stars and provide some sort of
>> protective gear against
>> >>> possible calamities. Only major events can be
>> foretoled that too which
>> >>> are of the capacity to be written with INK OF
>> BLOOD. Lalkitab emphasis
>> >>> that Astrology is the study of planatary
>> TENDENCIES. when tendency is
>> >>> not certain how can the predictions be pin
>> point? Regards. Kulbir.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 6/2/09, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@
>> mail.dk> wrote:
>> >>>> Dear Members,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The discussion going on at the moment is
>> very interesting to follow. The
>> >>>> importance of Tewa Darusthi is being
>> emphasized, which is always very
>> >>>> good, since Lal Kitab is an
>> Ascendant-based kind of astrology. I have
>> >>>> been able to notice bad examples of Lal
>> Kitab astrologers giving out
>> >>>> Upayas to people without doing any kind of
>> Tewa Darusthi.. This means
>> >>>> these ignorant astrologers cannot possibly
>> be sure if the chart is
>> >>>> correctly calculated or not.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As a matter of fact this is not the first
>> time a problem like this have
>> >>>> been seen in India. Around the 7th century
>> AD the great
>> >>>> astronomer/astrolog er Varaha Mihira wrote
>> that a miscalculation of an
>> >>>> astrologer is as sinful as the murder of a
>> Brahmin. Actually, I think
>> >>>> this proves that there was astrologers who
>> was indiscriminately using
>> >>>> wrong chart even at the time of Varaha
>> Mihira. Otherwise he would never
>> >>>> have given such a strong statement.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> My personal opinion is that any astrologer
>> who is using an
>> >>>> Ascendant-based kind of astrology without
>> verifying whether or not the
>> >>>> Ascendant is correct is nothing but a big
>> charlatan. However, this goes
>> >>>> on every day and it surely gives a bad
>> name to Lal Kitab, when the
>> >>>> charlatans belong to this category of
>> astrologers. Anyway, there is not
>> >>>> so much we can do about this problem,
>> except to do our very best when
>> >>>> we, who are supposed to be the good guys,
>> do the horoscopes ourselves.
>> >>>> But are we really doing our best, or are
>> some of us perhaps getting a
>> >>>> little lazy? This is actually a very
>> important question. Since - after
>> >>>> all - no astrologer, however big or
>> famous, is any better than the last
>> >>>> horoscope he did.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> There is a certain critizism about Lal
>> Kitab astrologers that I have
>> >>>> often among the other kinds of Hindu
>> astrologers and even among some few
>> >>>> western astrologers as well. They say,
>> when you consult a Lal Kitab
>> >>>> astrologer, he will ask you a number of
>> highly relevant questions about
>> >>>> your life, which clearly confirms the
>> correctness of your chart, and he
>> >>>> would even pin-point at certain events
>> going on in certain years of the
>> >>>> past. He may even say thing about the
>> present situations, being
>> >>>> precisely correct. But when it comes to
>> the future, he either can or
>> >>>> will not give any predictions at all, but
>> rather gives a large number of
>> >>>> Upayas (remedies) to guard agains any bad
>> elements in the near future,
>> >>>> normally without even telling what malefic
>> event the remedy is supposed
>> >>>> to guard against.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> No doubt a lot of relevant things are
>> being said during an Lal Kitab
>> >>>> consultation. I mean say, if Saturn is
>> malefic in the 6th in the
>> >>>> Varshphal we would caution against buying
>> new leather shoes in that
>> >>>> year. This is in my opinion a good and
>> sound piece of astrological
>> >>>> advice. And we have a lot of relevant
>> information like that to share
>> >>>> with our clients. But given the knowledge
>> about the past and present
>> >>>> that we present to the client, isn't it
>> only natural that he/she also
>> >>>> expect something like that to be said
>> about the future? And not only
>> >>>> Upayas, however relevant they may be.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think there is some element of truth is
>> this critizism against Lal
>> >>>> Kitab astrologers. . If I am right then we
>> need to ask ourselves some
>> >>>> questions: Are we becoming so arrogant
>> against astrology that we no
>> >>>> longer care about giving predictions about
>> the future? Did Pt. Roop
>> >>>> Chand Joshi ever say anything against
>> giving predictions about the
>> >>>> future? (Except of course that predictions
>> should be given with due
>> >>>> caution and all the necessary ethical
>> consideration, etc. etc.). Are we
>> >>>> somehow forgetting what it means to be
>> astrologers? Are we developing
>> >>>> into Upayagers rather then Astrologers?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best regards,
>> >>>> Finn Wandahl
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
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