Respected Goel ji, can u share a little bit as to how u make pin point
predictions for future events using lalkitab. I mean event, time of
occurence. Rider is that the principle applied should be applicable to
all or similar cases. It shouldn't be applicable to a single or Very
Few cases. Plz take it in positive attitude. Looking forward to learn
something from your goodself. Regards. Kulbir.
On 6/2/09, Gopal Goel <
gkgoel1937@yahoo. co.in> wrote:
> Dear Gautam ji,
> It looks you happen to meet a person who may not be knowing
> abc of Lalkitab.
> Regards,
> G.K.GOEL
> Ph: 09350311433
> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR
> NEW DELHI-110 076
> INDIA
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> From: Gautam.Rampal <
gautam.rampal@ gmail.com>
> To:
astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Tuesday, 2 June, 2009 2:10:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Upayagers or Astrologers ?
>
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> I usually practice KP system of astrology, I have been able to make many
> successful predictions
> both on horary and natal chart.
>
> This year in delhi a Nakshatra exhibition was held, out of curiousity i went
> to a stall which
> was dedicated to lal kitab books, the author was present there.
>
> I too bought couple of books, i asked him how to make predictions using lal
> kitab he said that
> predictions cannot be made from lal kitab, its main use is to neutralise the
> bad planetary effects.
>
> Gautam.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:45 AM, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Sir, to check and verify the nature of planets corresponding to past
> events and present/prevailing conditions like vaastu, physique, palm,
> status of and with different relatives and to suggest remedies to the
> native to enhance positive planatary influence and minimise negative
> influence to take benefit of doubt is one thing. To predict future is
> totally different aspect. Lalkitab places a certain degree of command
> in native's hands which he may use either way. So how is it possible
> to predict future with certainity. Also e.g. In case of Combined
> destiny of father-son. Or like in some cases like the one discussed in
> the last part of 1952 edition the birth of the son brought a windfall
> gains in the father's life. How can u predict when the son is still
> not born. Another e.g. is the case of copper mixed gold bangles which
> were cut and resulted in misfortune. Lalkitab in its introduction says
> that the purpose of the book is to nullify hinderances in results
> promised by stars and provide some sort of protective gear against
> possible calamities. Only major events can be foretoled that too which
> are of the capacity to be written with INK OF BLOOD. Lalkitab emphasis
> that Astrology is the study of planatary TENDENCIES. when tendency is
> not certain how can the predictions be pin point? Regards. Kulbir.
>
>
> On 6/2/09, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ mail.dk> wrote:
>> Dear Members,
>>
>> The discussion going on at the moment is very interesting to follow. The
>> importance of Tewa Darusthi is being emphasized, which is always very
>> good, since Lal Kitab is an Ascendant-based kind of astrology. I have
>> been able to notice bad examples of Lal Kitab astrologers giving out
>> Upayas to people without doing any kind of Tewa Darusthi.. This means
>> these ignorant astrologers cannot possibly be sure if the chart is
>> correctly calculated or not.
>>
>> As a matter of fact this is not the first time a problem like this have
>> been seen in India. Around the 7th century AD the great
>> astronomer/astrolog er Varaha Mihira wrote that a miscalculation of an
>> astrologer is as sinful as the murder of a Brahmin. Actually, I think
>> this proves that there was astrologers who was indiscriminately using
>> wrong chart even at the time of Varaha Mihira. Otherwise he would never
>> have given such a strong statement.
>>
>> My personal opinion is that any astrologer who is using an
>> Ascendant-based kind of astrology without verifying whether or not the
>> Ascendant is correct is nothing but a big charlatan. However, this goes
>> on every day and it surely gives a bad name to Lal Kitab, when the
>> charlatans belong to this category of astrologers. Anyway, there is not
>> so much we can do about this problem, except to do our very best when
>> we, who are supposed to be the good guys, do the horoscopes ourselves.
>> But are we really doing our best, or are some of us perhaps getting a
>> little lazy? This is actually a very important question. Since - after
>> all - no astrologer, however big or famous, is any better than the last
>> horoscope he did.
>>
>> There is a certain critizism about Lal Kitab astrologers that I have
>> often among the other kinds of Hindu astrologers and even among some few
>> western astrologers as well. They say, when you consult a Lal Kitab
>> astrologer, he will ask you a number of highly relevant questions about
>> your life, which clearly confirms the correctness of your chart, and he
>> would even pin-point at certain events going on in certain years of the
>> past. He may even say thing about the present situations, being
>> precisely correct. But when it comes to the future, he either can or
>> will not give any predictions at all, but rather gives a large number of
>> Upayas (remedies) to guard agains any bad elements in the near future,
>> normally without even telling what malefic event the remedy is supposed
>> to guard against.
>>
>> No doubt a lot of relevant things are being said during an Lal Kitab
>> consultation. I mean say, if Saturn is malefic in the 6th in the
>> Varshphal we would caution against buying new leather shoes in that
>> year. This is in my opinion a good and sound piece of astrological
>> advice. And we have a lot of relevant information like that to share
>> with our clients. But given the knowledge about the past and present
>> that we present to the client, isn't it only natural that he/she also
>> expect something like that to be said about the future? And not only
>> Upayas, however relevant they may be.
>>
>> I think there is some element of truth is this critizism against Lal
>> Kitab astrologers. . If I am right then we need to ask ourselves some
>> questions: Are we becoming so arrogant against astrology that we no
>> longer care about giving predictions about the future? Did Pt. Roop
>> Chand Joshi ever say anything against giving predictions about the
>> future? (Except of course that predictions should be given with due
>> caution and all the necessary ethical consideration, etc. etc.). Are we
>> somehow forgetting what it means to be astrologers? Are we developing
>> into Upayagers rather then Astrologers?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Finn Wandahl
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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