Respected Goel ji, there are 2 points in ur mail. 1. U yourself say
that u are no lalkitab expert then by what authority do u comment that
some person (gautam ji did not mention his name) DOES NOT KNOW ABC OF
LALKITAB. 2ndly u say that u can't teach vide net. But WHO
APPROACHED/REQUESTE
sweeping and rash statement. Hope u would have read Bhandari ji's mail
and got the answer clear by now. Regards. Kulbir.
On 6/2/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@yahoo.
> I AM not a lalkitab expert , and it is not possible to teach you
> via net.
> G.K.GOEL
> Ph: 09350311433
> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR
> NEW DELHI-110 076
> INDIA
>
>
>
>
> ____________
> From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@
> To: astrostudents@
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 June, 2009 4:17:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Upayagers or Astrologers ?
>
>
>
>
>
> Respected Goel ji, can u share a little bit as to how u make pin point
> predictions for future events using lalkitab. I mean event, time of
> occurence. Rider is that the principle applied should be applicable to
> all or similar cases. It shouldn't be applicable to a single or Very
> Few cases. Plz take it in positive attitude. Looking forward to learn
> something from your goodself. Regards. Kulbir.
>
> On 6/2/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@
>> Dear Gautam ji,
>> It looks you happen to meet a person who may not be knowing
>> abc of Lalkitab.
>> Regards,
>> G.K.GOEL
>> Ph: 09350311433
>> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR
>> NEW DELHI-110 076
>> INDIA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>> From: Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com>
>> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
>> Sent: Tuesday, 2 June, 2009 2:10:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Upayagers or Astrologers ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I usually practice KP system of astrology, I have been able to make many
>> successful predictions
>> both on horary and natal chart.
>>
>> This year in delhi a Nakshatra exhibition was held, out of curiousity i
>> went
>> to a stall which
>> was dedicated to lal kitab books, the author was present there.
>>
>> I too bought couple of books, i asked him how to make predictions using
>> lal
>> kitab he said that
>> predictions cannot be made from lal kitab, its main use is to neutralise
>> the
>> bad planetary effects.
>>
>> Gautam.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:45 AM, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sir, to check and verify the nature of planets corresponding to past
>> events and present/prevailing conditions like vaastu, physique, palm,
>> status of and with different relatives and to suggest remedies to the
>> native to enhance positive planatary influence and minimise negative
>> influence to take benefit of doubt is one thing. To predict future is
>> totally different aspect. Lalkitab places a certain degree of command
>> in native's hands which he may use either way. So how is it possible
>> to predict future with certainity. Also e.g. In case of Combined
>> destiny of father-son. Or like in some cases like the one discussed in
>> the last part of 1952 edition the birth of the son brought a windfall
>> gains in the father's life. How can u predict when the son is still
>> not born. Another e.g. is the case of copper mixed gold bangles which
>> were cut and resulted in misfortune. Lalkitab in its introduction says
>> that the purpose of the book is to nullify hinderances in results
>> promised by stars and provide some sort of protective gear against
>> possible calamities. Only major events can be foretoled that too which
>> are of the capacity to be written with INK OF BLOOD. Lalkitab emphasis
>> that Astrology is the study of planatary TENDENCIES. when tendency is
>> not certain how can the predictions be pin point? Regards. Kulbir.
>>
>>
>> On 6/2/09, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ mail.dk> wrote:
>>> Dear Members,
>>>
>>> The discussion going on at the moment is very interesting to follow. The
>>> importance of Tewa Darusthi is being emphasized, which is always very
>>> good, since Lal Kitab is an Ascendant-based kind of astrology. I have
>>> been able to notice bad examples of Lal Kitab astrologers giving out
>>> Upayas to people without doing any kind of Tewa Darusthi.. This means
>>> these ignorant astrologers cannot possibly be sure if the chart is
>>> correctly calculated or not.
>>>
>>> As a matter of fact this is not the first time a problem like this have
>>> been seen in India. Around the 7th century AD the great
>>> astronomer/astrolog er Varaha Mihira wrote that a miscalculation of an
>>> astrologer is as sinful as the murder of a Brahmin. Actually, I think
>>> this proves that there was astrologers who was indiscriminately using
>>> wrong chart even at the time of Varaha Mihira. Otherwise he would never
>>> have given such a strong statement.
>>>
>>> My personal opinion is that any astrologer who is using an
>>> Ascendant-based kind of astrology without verifying whether or not the
>>> Ascendant is correct is nothing but a big charlatan. However, this goes
>>> on every day and it surely gives a bad name to Lal Kitab, when the
>>> charlatans belong to this category of astrologers. Anyway, there is not
>>> so much we can do about this problem, except to do our very best when
>>> we, who are supposed to be the good guys, do the horoscopes ourselves.
>>> But are we really doing our best, or are some of us perhaps getting a
>>> little lazy? This is actually a very important question. Since - after
>>> all - no astrologer, however big or famous, is any better than the last
>>> horoscope he did.
>>>
>>> There is a certain critizism about Lal Kitab astrologers that I have
>>> often among the other kinds of Hindu astrologers and even among some few
>>> western astrologers as well. They say, when you consult a Lal Kitab
>>> astrologer, he will ask you a number of highly relevant questions about
>>> your life, which clearly confirms the correctness of your chart, and he
>>> would even pin-point at certain events going on in certain years of the
>>> past. He may even say thing about the present situations, being
>>> precisely correct. But when it comes to the future, he either can or
>>> will not give any predictions at all, but rather gives a large number of
>>> Upayas (remedies) to guard agains any bad elements in the near future,
>>> normally without even telling what malefic event the remedy is supposed
>>> to guard against.
>>>
>>> No doubt a lot of relevant things are being said during an Lal Kitab
>>> consultation. I mean say, if Saturn is malefic in the 6th in the
>>> Varshphal we would caution against buying new leather shoes in that
>>> year. This is in my opinion a good and sound piece of astrological
>>> advice. And we have a lot of relevant information like that to share
>>> with our clients. But given the knowledge about the past and present
>>> that we present to the client, isn't it only natural that he/she also
>>> expect something like that to be said about the future? And not only
>>> Upayas, however relevant they may be.
>>>
>>> I think there is some element of truth is this critizism against Lal
>>> Kitab astrologers. . If I am right then we need to ask ourselves some
>>> questions: Are we becoming so arrogant against astrology that we no
>>> longer care about giving predictions about the future? Did Pt. Roop
>>> Chand Joshi ever say anything against giving predictions about the
>>> future? (Except of course that predictions should be given with due
>>> caution and all the necessary ethical consideration, etc. etc.). Are we
>>> somehow forgetting what it means to be astrologers? Are we developing
>>> into Upayagers rather then Astrologers?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Finn Wandahl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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