Astrostudents-Group Discussions: Re: [astrostudents] Upayagers or Astrologers ?

Jitin ji, i don't remember the exact sanskrit shalok. I came across it
in an article the newspaper The Tribune about 2 months ago. It was
about maharishis Panani, Parashar, Jaimini and Varahmihir. One was
killed by a lion while crossing a jungle. one was killed by a
crocodile when he went to bathe, one was trampled under the feet of
elephant when he went to offer it sugarcane, one couldn't foresee the
death of his son. In the light of above you are wise enough to draw ur
inferences. Astrology has been referred to be eye of vedas. It is much
much more to it than plain soothsaying. Regards. Kulbir.

On 6/5/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> respected finn sir,
> my knowledge is no where as near as you or anyone else in this group for
> that matter, however i do feel that in lal kitab sometimes recommending
> remedies and predicting can contradict each other.
>
> please correct me if i am wrong but,for example if someone with venus in 4th
> house approached you, you would advice him to re-marry his wife(after
> changing her name), then how can you predict that he would have 2 wives? if
> on one hand an astrologer hopes that his remedy would work, how can he
> predict the opposite(he can only fear and advice).
> please share your experience on above.
> thank you
> sincerely
> Jitin Syal
>
> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Finn Wandahl" <finn.wandahl@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Members,
>>
>> The discussion going on at the moment is very interesting to follow. The
>> importance of Tewa Darusthi is being emphasized, which is always very
>> good, since Lal Kitab is an Ascendant-based kind of astrology. I have
>> been able to notice bad examples of Lal Kitab astrologers giving out
>> Upayas to people without doing any kind of Tewa Darusthi. This means
>> these ignorant astrologers cannot possibly be sure if the chart is
>> correctly calculated or not.
>>
>> As a matter of fact this is not the first time a problem like this have
>> been seen in India. Around the 7th century AD the great
>> astronomer/astrologer Varaha Mihira wrote that a miscalculation of an
>> astrologer is as sinful as the murder of a Brahmin. Actually, I think
>> this proves that there was astrologers who was indiscriminately using
>> wrong chart even at the time of Varaha Mihira. Otherwise he would never
>> have given such a strong statement.
>>
>> My personal opinion is that any astrologer who is using an
>> Ascendant-based kind of astrology without verifying whether or not the
>> Ascendant is correct is nothing but a big charlatan. However, this goes
>> on every day and it surely gives a bad name to Lal Kitab, when the
>> charlatans belong to this category of astrologers. Anyway, there is not
>> so much we can do about this problem, except to do our very best when
>> we, who are supposed to be the good guys, do the horoscopes ourselves.
>> But are we really doing our best, or are some of us perhaps getting a
>> little lazy? This is actually a very important question. Since - after
>> all - no astrologer, however big or famous, is any better than the last
>> horoscope he did.
>>
>> There is a certain critizism about Lal Kitab astrologers that I have
>> often among the other kinds of Hindu astrologers and even among some few
>> western astrologers as well. They say, when you consult a Lal Kitab
>> astrologer, he will ask you a number of highly relevant questions about
>> your life, which clearly confirms the correctness of your chart, and he
>> would even pin-point at certain events going on in certain years of the
>> past. He may even say thing about the present situations, being
>> precisely correct. But when it comes to the future, he either can or
>> will not give any predictions at all, but rather gives a large number of
>> Upayas (remedies) to guard agains any bad elements in the near future,
>> normally without even telling what malefic event the remedy is supposed
>> to guard against.
>>
>> No doubt a lot of relevant things are being said during an Lal Kitab
>> consultation. I mean say, if Saturn is malefic in the 6th in the
>> Varshphal we would caution against buying new leather shoes in that
>> year. This is in my opinion a good and sound piece of astrological
>> advice. And we have a lot of relevant information like that to share
>> with our clients. But given the knowledge about the past and present
>> that we present to the client, isn't it only natural that he/she also
>> expect something like that to be said about the future? And not only
>> Upayas, however relevant they may be.
>>
>> I think there is some element of truth is this critizism against Lal
>> Kitab astrologers. If I am right then we need to ask ourselves some
>> questions: Are we becoming so arrogant against astrology that we no
>> longer care about giving predictions about the future? Did Pt. Roop
>> Chand Joshi ever say anything against giving predictions about the
>> future? (Except of course that predictions should be given with due
>> caution and all the necessary ethical consideration, etc. etc.). Are we
>> somehow forgetting what it means to be astrologers? Are we developing
>> into Upayagers rather then Astrologers?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Finn Wandahl
>>
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