Astrostudents-Group Discussions: [astrostudents] Re: Upayagers or Astrologers ?

Respected Goel ji,
With all due respect, i have never seen a good and kabil hakeem/vaidh asking for x-rays/blood test in order to diagnose the problem, as they rely on checking pulse and asking questions in order to conclude something. similarly i have never seen a true LK follower talking about vimsottari dasha, untill now.

It's quite interesting, but you have the experience on your side so please keep sharing your insights.
sorry, if i said anything to hurt anyone's feelings but i am just trying to learn through your experiences.

Yours sincerely
Jitin Syal

--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Kulbir ji,
> I study the chart and indications of planets in various houses
> as per rules of Lalkitab.
> These results come true in the dasas of planets as per
> Vimsottari system.
> As an example , a native is having Saturn in 4H.ACCORDING TO LALKITAB IF SUCH NATIVE
> LAYS THE FOUNDATION OF A HOUSE BEFORE THE AGE OF 35 YEARS HE WILL LOOSE THE
> FINANCIAL STATUS.
> THE NATIVE PURCHASED A FLAT AND PERFORMED THE HOUSE WARMING CEREMONY, NEXT DAY
> HE LOST JOB.THERE WERE NO PRIOR INDICATIONS.AT THAT TIME SATURN SUB-PERIOD WAS OPERATING.
> I COME ACROSS SUCH SITUATIONS FREQUENTLY.
> REGARDS,
> G.K.GOEL
> Ph: 09350311433
> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR
> NEW DELHI-110 076
> INDIA
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> ________________________________
> From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@...>
> To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 4 June, 2009 2:23:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Upayagers or Astrologers ?
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> Respected Prabhakar Ji, i think Illm Qyafa needs proper
> definition/explanat ion and how to apply it properly if not perfectly.
> It shall be very kind of you if ur goodself could shed some light
> regarding this. I think it is some sort of combination in respect of
> keen observation and its application with relation to intution. But
> not clear. Kindly guide. With regards. Kulbir.
>
> On 6/3/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Dear Gurujan and friends,
> >
> > I am a new learner of lal kitab. For timing of event I guess to some extend
> > we can find from lal kitab. here is the rule and please comment on it if I
> > am wrong or if it can be improved.
> >
> > 1. Consider 35 Saal Desha, Average planet life and Planet Active during 1
> > year of period.
> >
> > A- Consider Avg. Life of a planets.
> > a) Planets in house no 2 starts from Life period minus avg period.i.e Ju 59
> > to 75
> > b) Planets in House no 9 starts from the Avg life of planets i.e Ju starts
> > from 16 to 32 or Su
> > from 22 to 44 etc.
> > c) In all other houses it starts from starting from birth i.e. Ju from birth
> > to 16 years.
> > d) Consider all the other condition i.e Su with Ra Avg life of Su is zero or
> > Moon with Ke is 11 years.
> >
> > B. 35 Years Dasha
> > a) 35 Years Dasha should be consider and created.
> >
> > C. For every year Annual planet activte period should be consider.
> > i.e Ju 32 days, Su 22 days etc
> >
> > After creating all the tables the real game starts:
> >
> > i.e Ju in House No. 1 and Sun,Moon or Mars in House No. 1,2,4
> > Result: Earning from royal court will be extremely high.
> > Analysis:
> > Now we will see what time periods this four planets are active
> > simultaneously
> > this way we can find not only the time of event but also the life time of
> > event.
> > (How long this result will stay)
> >
> > If you read the examples given in lal kitab it is also described there.
> >
> > If I am not clear please feel free to ask me or I am open to any question.
> >
> > WAITING FOR YOUR COMMENTS
> >
> > Thanks
> > Ashok
> >
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> >
> > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Upayagers or Astrologers ?
> > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 5:47 AM
> >
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> > Respected Goel ji, can u share a little bit as to how u make pin point
> > predictions for future events using lalkitab. I mean event, time of
> > occurence. Rider is that the principle applied should be applicable to
> > all or similar cases. It shouldn't be applicable to a single or Very
> > Few cases. Plz take it in positive attitude. Looking forward to learn
> > something from your goodself. Regards. Kulbir.
> >
> > On 6/2/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ yahoo. co.in> wrote:
> >> Dear Gautam ji,
> >> It looks you happen to meet a person who may not be knowing
> >> abc of Lalkitab.
> >> Regards,
> >> G.K.GOEL
> >> Ph: 09350311433
> >> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR
> >> NEW DELHI-110 076
> >> INDIA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> From: Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com>
> >> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 2 June, 2009 2:10:34 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Upayagers or Astrologers ?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I usually practice KP system of astrology, I have been able to make many
> >> successful predictions
> >> both on horary and natal chart.
> >>
> >> This year in delhi a Nakshatra exhibition was held, out of curiousity i
> >> went
> >> to a stall which
> >> was dedicated to lal kitab books, the author was present there.
> >>
> >> I too bought couple of books, i asked him how to make predictions using
> >> lal
> >> kitab he said that
> >> predictions cannot be made from lal kitab, its main use is to neutralise
> >> the
> >> bad planetary effects.
> >>
> >> Gautam.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:45 AM, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sir, to check and verify the nature of planets corresponding to past
> >> events and present/prevailing conditions like vaastu, physique, palm,
> >> status of and with different relatives and to suggest remedies to the
> >> native to enhance positive planatary influence and minimise negative
> >> influence to take benefit of doubt is one thing. To predict future is
> >> totally different aspect. Lalkitab places a certain degree of command
> >> in native's hands which he may use either way. So how is it possible
> >> to predict future with certainity. Also e.g. In case of Combined
> >> destiny of father-son. Or like in some cases like the one discussed in
> >> the last part of 1952 edition the birth of the son brought a windfall
> >> gains in the father's life. How can u predict when the son is still
> >> not born. Another e.g. is the case of copper mixed gold bangles which
> >> were cut and resulted in misfortune.. Lalkitab in its introduction says
> >> that the purpose of the book is to nullify hinderances in results
> >> promised by stars and provide some sort of protective gear against
> >> possible calamities. Only major events can be foretoled that too which
> >> are of the capacity to be written with INK OF BLOOD. Lalkitab emphasis
> >> that Astrology is the study of planatary TENDENCIES. when tendency is
> >> not certain how can the predictions be pin point? Regards. Kulbir.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/2/09, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ mail.dk> wrote:
> >>> Dear Members,
> >>>
> >>> The discussion going on at the moment is very interesting to follow. The
> >>> importance of Tewa Darusthi is being emphasized, which is always very
> >>> good, since Lal Kitab is an Ascendant-based kind of astrology. I have
> >>> been able to notice bad examples of Lal Kitab astrologers giving out
> >>> Upayas to people without doing any kind of Tewa Darusthi.. This means
> >>> these ignorant astrologers cannot possibly be sure if the chart is
> >>> correctly calculated or not.
> >>>
> >>> As a matter of fact this is not the first time a problem like this have
> >>> been seen in India. Around the 7th century AD the great
> >>> astronomer/astrolog er Varaha Mihira wrote that a miscalculation of an
> >>> astrologer is as sinful as the murder of a Brahmin. Actually, I think
> >>> this proves that there was astrologers who was indiscriminately using
> >>> wrong chart even at the time of Varaha Mihira. Otherwise he would never
> >>> have given such a strong statement.
> >>>
> >>> My personal opinion is that any astrologer who is using an
> >>> Ascendant-based kind of astrology without verifying whether or not the
> >>> Ascendant is correct is nothing but a big charlatan. However, this goes
> >>> on every day and it surely gives a bad name to Lal Kitab, when the
> >>> charlatans belong to this category of astrologers. Anyway, there is not
> >>> so much we can do about this problem, except to do our very best when
> >>> we, who are supposed to be the good guys, do the horoscopes ourselves.
> >>> But are we really doing our best, or are some of us perhaps getting a
> >>> little lazy? This is actually a very important question. Since - after
> >>> all - no astrologer, however big or famous, is any better than the last
> >>> horoscope he did.
> >>>
> >>> There is a certain critizism about Lal Kitab astrologers that I have
> >>> often among the other kinds of Hindu astrologers and even among some few
> >>> western astrologers as well. They say, when you consult a Lal Kitab
> >>> astrologer, he will ask you a number of highly relevant questions about
> >>> your life, which clearly confirms the correctness of your chart, and he
> >>> would even pin-point at certain events going on in certain years of the
> >>> past. He may even say thing about the present situations, being
> >>> precisely correct. But when it comes to the future, he either can or
> >>> will not give any predictions at all, but rather gives a large number of
> >>> Upayas (remedies) to guard agains any bad elements in the near future,
> >>> normally without even telling what malefic event the remedy is supposed
> >>> to guard against.
> >>>
> >>> No doubt a lot of relevant things are being said during an Lal Kitab
> >>> consultation. I mean say, if Saturn is malefic in the 6th in the
> >>> Varshphal we would caution against buying new leather shoes in that
> >>> year. This is in my opinion a good and sound piece of astrological
> >>> advice. And we have a lot of relevant information like that to share
> >>> with our clients. But given the knowledge about the past and present
> >>> that we present to the client, isn't it only natural that he/she also
> >>> expect something like that to be said about the future? And not only
> >>> Upayas, however relevant they may be.
> >>>
> >>> I think there is some element of truth is this critizism against Lal
> >>> Kitab astrologers. . If I am right then we need to ask ourselves some
> >>> questions: Are we becoming so arrogant against astrology that we no
> >>> longer care about giving predictions about the future? Did Pt. Roop
> >>> Chand Joshi ever say anything against giving predictions about the
> >>> future? (Except of course that predictions should be given with due
> >>> caution and all the necessary ethical consideration, etc. etc.). Are we
> >>> somehow forgetting what it means to be astrologers? Are we developing
> >>> into Upayagers rather then Astrologers?
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Finn Wandahl
> >>>
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