Thank you, Kulbir,
Best wishes,
Finn
--- In astrostudents@
>
> Mr. Finn, This is the essence of ur first and
> concluding mails. I shall thank you that u let 35-36 mails come in
> between this period and we found some precious gems in them. With
> Regards. Kulbir.
>
> On 6/5/09, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@
> > Dear Jitin,
> >
> > Quote: > if someone with venus in 4th house approached you, you would
> > advice him to re-marry his wife(after changing her name), then how can
> > you predict that he would have 2 wives? if on one hand an astrologer
> > hopes that his remedy would work, how can he predict the opposite(he can
> > only fear and advice). <
> >
> > Actually, I am very fond of this particular Upaya. When I was in India
> > back in 1990 some astrologer friends told me about a young man who
> > consulted an old astrologer to get advice about his future marriage.
> > However, the old astrologer found indications of widowhood in his chart
> > and as a remedy he told the young man first to marry a Peepal tree, and
> > then only after the Peepal tree had died he should marry the young girl
> > in question.
> >
> > In arrangement with his family the young man soon married the Peepal
> > tree and after the tree had died he married to girl, and the story tells
> > they lived happily ever after. There were rumours that his would-be
> > in-laws had put copper nails into the root of the Peepal tree to speed
> > up the process, but I have no idea if this was actually true or not.
> >
> > I see no contradiction neither in the example given by you nor in the
> > story about the Peepal tree. In both cases an attempt has been made to
> > alter the future reality a little in order to avoid widowhood or the
> > sadness of a separation, and still keep the major picture in the
> > predicting of two marriages in mind. I think, sometimes this can be
> > done, sometimes not, depending upon the karmas and situation of the
> > planets in the charts of the couple.
> >
> > There is a philosophical explanation to all this. As it is, we are
> > already changing destiny by looking into the horoscope in the first
> > place. Actually, knowledge of things to come may sometimes change the
> > final outcome.
> >
> > The old Hindu astrologers believed there are two kinds of Karmas: 1)
> > Sthira Karma, which is indicated by the Janma Kundali itself, the
> > results of which is almost completely fixed and pre-destinated. 2)
> > Utpala Karma, indicated by Gochara (transits), the Varshphal kundali or
> > by the Prashna Kundali, the results of which is ever changing and not
> > fixed.
> >
> > In case of difference between the two kind of Karma, the Utpala Karma
> > were said to prevail, if prayers, remedies etc. were performed.
> >
> > For many years I always used both the Janma Kundali and the Prashna
> > Kundali, side by side, in order to get the punya right by observing both
> > these kinds of Karma at the same time.
> >
> > As Lal Kitab astrologers, you can say we use both Janma Kundali (Sthira
> > karma) and Varshphal kundalis (Utpala karma) side by side for somewhat
> > similar reasons.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Finn
> >
> >
> > --- In astrostudents@
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> respected finn sir,
> >> my knowledge is no where as near as you or anyone else in this group
> > for that matter, however i do feel that in lal kitab sometimes
> > recommending remedies and predicting can contradict each other.
> >>
> >> please correct me if i am wrong but,for example if someone with venus
> > in 4th house approached you, you would advice him to re-marry his
> > wife(after changing her name), then how can you predict that he would
> > have 2 wives? if on one hand an astrologer hopes that his remedy would
> > work, how can he predict the opposite(he can only fear and advice).
> >> please share your experience on above.
> >> thank you
> >> sincerely
> >> Jitin Syal
> >>
> >> --- In astrostudents@
> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Dear Members,
> >> >
> >> > The discussion going on at the moment is very interesting to follow.
> > The
> >> > importance of Tewa Darusthi is being emphasized, which is always
> > very
> >> > good, since Lal Kitab is an Ascendant-based kind of astrology. I
> > have
> >> > been able to notice bad examples of Lal Kitab astrologers giving out
> >> > Upayas to people without doing any kind of Tewa Darusthi. This means
> >> > these ignorant astrologers cannot possibly be sure if the chart is
> >> > correctly calculated or not.
> >> >
> >> > As a matter of fact this is not the first time a problem like this
> > have
> >> > been seen in India. Around the 7th century AD the great
> >> > astronomer/astrolog
> > an
> >> > astrologer is as sinful as the murder of a Brahmin. Actually, I
> > think
> >> > this proves that there was astrologers who was indiscriminately
> > using
> >> > wrong chart even at the time of Varaha Mihira. Otherwise he would
> > never
> >> > have given such a strong statement.
> >> >
> >> > My personal opinion is that any astrologer who is using an
> >> > Ascendant-based kind of astrology without verifying whether or not
> > the
> >> > Ascendant is correct is nothing but a big charlatan. However, this
> > goes
> >> > on every day and it surely gives a bad name to Lal Kitab, when the
> >> > charlatans belong to this category of astrologers. Anyway, there is
> > not
> >> > so much we can do about this problem, except to do our very best
> > when
> >> > we, who are supposed to be the good guys, do the horoscopes
> > ourselves.
> >> > But are we really doing our best, or are some of us perhaps getting
> > a
> >> > little lazy? This is actually a very important question. Since -
> > after
> >> > all - no astrologer, however big or famous, is any better than the
> > last
> >> > horoscope he did.
> >> >
> >> > There is a certain critizism about Lal Kitab astrologers that I have
> >> > often among the other kinds of Hindu astrologers and even among some
> > few
> >> > western astrologers as well. They say, when you consult a Lal Kitab
> >> > astrologer, he will ask you a number of highly relevant questions
> > about
> >> > your life, which clearly confirms the correctness of your chart, and
> > he
> >> > would even pin-point at certain events going on in certain years of
> > the
> >> > past. He may even say thing about the present situations, being
> >> > precisely correct. But when it comes to the future, he either can or
> >> > will not give any predictions at all, but rather gives a large
> > number of
> >> > Upayas (remedies) to guard agains any bad elements in the near
> > future,
> >> > normally without even telling what malefic event the remedy is
> > supposed
> >> > to guard against.
> >> >
> >> > No doubt a lot of relevant things are being said during an Lal Kitab
> >> > consultation. I mean say, if Saturn is malefic in the 6th in the
> >> > Varshphal we would caution against buying new leather shoes in that
> >> > year. This is in my opinion a good and sound piece of astrological
> >> > advice. And we have a lot of relevant information like that to share
> >> > with our clients. But given the knowledge about the past and present
> >> > that we present to the client, isn't it only natural that he/she
> > also
> >> > expect something like that to be said about the future? And not only
> >> > Upayas, however relevant they may be.
> >> >
> >> > I think there is some element of truth is this critizism against Lal
> >> > Kitab astrologers. If I am right then we need to ask ourselves some
> >> > questions: Are we becoming so arrogant against astrology that we no
> >> > longer care about giving predictions about the future? Did Pt. Roop
> >> > Chand Joshi ever say anything against giving predictions about the
> >> > future? (Except of course that predictions should be given with due
> >> > caution and all the necessary ethical consideration, etc. etc.). Are
> > we
> >> > somehow forgetting what it means to be astrologers? Are we
> > developing
> >> > into Upayagers rather then Astrologers?
> >> >
> >> > Best regards,
> >> > Finn Wandahl
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
> Sent from my mobile device
>
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