Astrostudents-Group Discussions: [astrostudents] Re: Ashok ji; why study astrology?

Monday, July 06, 2009

[astrostudents] Re: Ashok ji; why study astrology?

Dear Mr. V. Shukla,

Unfortunately there are many illusions connected to Hindu astrology, and many of these illusions have emerged because of a mix-up between astrology and religion. This have given rise to all sorts of misunderstandings regarding the chronology and the origin of the different astrological texts of Hindu astrology.

The mere fact that a certain text-book has been named after some Vedic Sage, does not necessarily mean that this Sage was actually the author of that text.

Even though many people believe a text like Brihat-Parasara-Hora-Shastra to be more than 4,000 years old, a critical analysis of the sanskrit-text and the content itself for anachronism, etc. indicate it to be hardly more than some 500 years old.

The Persian astronomer/astrologer Al Biruni was a great sanskrit-scholar and he visited India around the year 1,000AD. In his book India he has carefully mentioned all the astrological text know at that time, there was Saravali, Brihat Jataka and many other famous texts. However, he did not mention BPHS, which is supposed to be the most important of all the text. Had it been in exixtance he would undoubtedly have mentioned it.

Obviously BPHS is a compendium consisting of all kinds of disconnected astrological material that was indiscriminately collected and written together somewhere around the 16th century AD, probably in two parts over a period of around 100 years.

It is possible BPHS was supposed to have been included as a part of Vishnu Purana. This is actually very possible since VP had been changed so many times already and both VP and BPHS are framed as a conversation between Sage Parasara and his disciple Maitriya. There are so many textual similarities between the two works.

I do not share the general admiration about BPHS. I find it to be full of disconnected fragments of astrological methods and full of contradictions. I think perhaps its similarity with Vishnu Purana is was has made it so famous, and made so many believe it was written by the great Vedic sage Parasara himself 4,000 years ago.

I have publicly advocated against these illusions and many Hindu astrologers considered these opinions of mine like blasphemy. I however believe it is wise of us to keep an open, critical mind and not become to "religious" about these things.

Best wishes,
Finn Wandahl

--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, lalkitabee <lalkitabee@...> wrote:
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> Res Mr. Wandahl & Yograj ji
> It is not fare at all.Both of u completely vanished the spirituality not only of Lalkitab but the whole of astrology also.Even lalkitab is also a astrological script but which book itself indicates about- 9 NIDHI & 12 SIDDHI, NATURAL SECRET IN "BAND MUTTHI", THE HIDDEN TREASURE OF NEW BORNED.   BUT (STATUE) SE ROOH NE APNA GHAR KYON POOCHH LIYAA, JHAGDAA ROOH AUR MAAYA KA , etc. How u can neglect these lines from spiritual touch of this book.Astro Shastra itself is a 2nd mandatory part of the system to understand the VEDAS. & what are VEDAS ,needn't to explain.Lalkitab is also a chain of ASTROSHASTRA.
>     The views of u seem the result of the thought of Western vs Indian.The spirituality is the base of the whole Indian culture as wel as it reflects in Lalkitab also.No-one bothers in India that spiritual words can be announced only in Mandir or Church or Masjid etc.Indian culture has spirituality in whole livings & non-livings & at each step.The thorough knowledge base of Indian culture inspires to achieve CHATURVARG-PHAL-PRAPTI & its peak level has adviced to get MOKSHA.So all of our knowledge base is to get rid from "LAKH-CHAURASI" & in this process materialistic world is in between. So,If someone wants to study Indian vedic astrology then it has to be in the context of Indian ethos which is basically spiritual in character.
>    Res Wandahl Ji u have also knowledge of vedic & jaimini astrology.I want to say that these also were written by MAHARISHI PARASHAR, MAHARISHI PINGAL, MAHARISHI JAIMINI etc. No-one has called as Doctor Parashar, Dr. PINGAL or Dr. Jaimini. Which data of knowledge as such originated by Maharishis, that how can be only a normal scripture, It is itself is a proof to proove this, as spiritual.
>      Res yograj Ji, aap is kitaab ko sirf ek novil ka naam de rahey hain. Yah baat aur hai ki ise bataur noval baar baar padhne ke liye bola gayaa hai ,lekin iska gyaan ek Novil ki kahani ke barabar kabhi bhi nahi kahaa ja saktaa. Jis kitab main Pitri Rin,Matri Rin jaise topics ko liya gayaa hai, jis kitab main antar alop ki leharon ka jikra hai, jis kitab main dono bhavon ke beech Guru-sthan ya gurudwar ka jikra kiya gaya hai, jise aam taur par Brahm-sthan bhi kahaa jataa hai ,uske adhyatmik pehloo ko kisi bhi tarah se nakaaraa nahi ja saktaa.
>     Aur to aur jis kitab main shuru main hee likhaa ho "RASHI 12 MAIN 7 GRAH SE NARAK CHAURASI KAT-TA HAI" is se badaa saboot aur kyaa hogaa iske spiritual hone ka ? Agar meri baat buri lagi ho to muafi ki arz hai aapse.
> With Regards
> Pt.Lalkitabee
> V.Shukla
>