Astrostudents-Group Discussions: Re: [astrostudents] Why study Astrology?- Request to Mr. Kulbir

Respected Kulbir Ji,

I was expecting Harsh reply. If i were in your place I surely did it. Your reply shows your inner strength and the effect of true lalkitab devotee .

Thanks and hats off to you. There is no reason to stop writing . Your write ups gave a lot specially to me .

Please review your decision

Thanks

Yogesh

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 12:07 AM, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@gmail.com> wrote:

Yogesh ji, i understand ur point. I was doing what i learned from
them. I was instructed that writing something that gives the
impression that it is ur original thought but actually borrowed from
someone or gifted by someone means AMAANAT ME KHAYANAT. I will stop
writing but it is a request to allow me a last mail on the subject
where i will quote the name of the author and the book. The publisher
is a member of this group and hopefully he won't drag me into
copyright issue. Credibility is not an issue with me. Credit should go
to persons who taught me. But i agree with u, it is their belonging,
why should i intervene, it is there discretion when and whom to give.
I admit i committed a mistake but it was in good faith. One last mail
tommorrow and then i quit writing. Thanks for ur concern. Kulbir.

On 7/5/09, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Kulbir Ji,
> The request of Sh. Pardeep Kumar Sharma is genuine. almost, in every mail
> you quote the name of one or another member of the group in about their
> views of the subject. Mr.Kondal,Pardeep, Umesh, Yograj etc are the members
> of this group and they can themselve say what they want to quote. You should
> give your own views. you should refrain from using others name. This may
> some times create awkward position for others like Pardeep kumar this time
> has and also give question mark to the credibility of the person quoting
> others name.
> Your mailsshow the depth of knowledge you have in the subject. Please shower
> your that knowledge.
> Please don't mind.
> Yogesh
>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:13 PM, PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA <lalkitab_l@yahoo.co.in
>> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Respected kulbir ji
>> There is a humble request with folded hands.Pl. donot quote my name in any
>> reference in this group.I am a big zero in this field and try to learn a
>> word or two by reading the mails of this group and Dr. Upadhaya group. I
>> donot know whether i would be able to learn abc in this birth. you all
>> are
>> requested to keep your blessing on me as before .
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* kulbir bance <kulbirbance@gmail.com>
>> *To:* astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 1 July, 2009 11:58:22 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [astrostudents] Why study Astrology?
>>
>> Respected Kondal Sahib, Pardeep sharma ji told me that read lalkitab
>> as a spiritual book. Unki agya sar mathe. I have started my study
>> afresh. I am stuck at pakka ghar khanna no.2 line PHAL 2-11 APNA APNA
>> DHARAM MANDIR GURUDWARA MEIN . What is the difference between dharam
>> mandir and gurudwara. Regards. Kulbir.
>>
>> On 7/1/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > dear kulbir ji,
>> > you are true what you have said and i do agree
>> with
>> > it but again it depends on that how you attain education. any vidya or
>> > education learned by self i mean to say not under the guidence of guru
>> leads
>> > the disciple to proudness{ahakar} and education learned under the
>> guidence
>> > of the guru leads the disciple to higher ends of life and down to earth
>> > tendecy and disciple gets blessed too and further more doors are opened
>> for
>> > higher learning otherwise apne aap vidya pad k ahankaar yukt ho kar
>> > vidyaarthi bhatakna mein phas jata hain.
>> >
>> >
>> there
>> > is a classic reference from ancient granths and that is the conversation
>> > between rishiudalik and his son shwetketu.in which shwetketu after
>> learning
>> > all the vedas ,and other granths from the age of twelve to twenty four
>> years
>> > return home and very proudly says to his father on returning that i have
>> > learnt all the vedas and different scriptures and i am fully versed in
>> > them,you ask me anything i will answer and at that very moment his
>> > father
>> > said
>> > that have you learnt that education or vidya with which one is able to
>> learn
>> > all the things.nothing is left to be learnt.one becomes to hear the
>> > unhearble also and after knowing which nothing is left to learn .and it
>> is
>> > in scriptures that at that very moment the son realised that what sort
>> > of
>> > mistake he has done and at that very moment he bowed in front of his
>> father
>> > and tells him to become his guru and give him the said education.it is
>> worth
>> > reading the conversation between the father and son .
>> >
>> > whenever we will meet i will narrate u the whole in detail and we can
>> > discuss openly.its a long conversation but full of knowledge.there are
>> > always lots and lots of schools each and every school differs in its
>> > thoughts but their prime moto is to help the humanity instead of only
>> self
>> > .but that is the best in which one helps humanity also and on the same
>> hand
>> > leads himself also to higher spiritual plane .
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > MS KONDAL
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@gmail.com>
>> > To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 7:02:04 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Why study Astrology?
>> >
>> > Respected Kondal Sahib, the first day i went to astrology class the
>> > teacher there gave a lecture. A person went to lord Buddha and
>> > requested that he had some questions to ask. Lord Buddha said i will
>> > answer all ur questions but before that u will have to live here in
>> > the sangh for one whole year. I will impose no conditions, do whatever
>> > u like but take care not to disturb others. He agreed, lived there,
>> > heard lords discourses.. After one year lord called him and asked. Now
>> > ask whatever questions u have. The person with folded hands said
>> > "saare prashan hi gir gaye ab poochne ko kuch raha hi nahin" so is the
>> > case with lalkitab. All it requires patience and faith, then all
>> > questions drop slowly. What can be more spiritual than this. Regards.
>> > Kulbir.
>> >
>> > On 7/1/09, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> dated:1-7-2009
>> >> dear kulbir ji,
>> >> very well said blessed persons like pundit jee
>> never
>> >> feel any binding in giving or distributing knowledge and they find no
>> >> difference in humanity.
>> >>
>> >> Gurus work is to open the knot rightly and forever.
>> >>
>> >> when ever something good is written or explored in that case it is done
>> >> for
>> >> the whole mankind by the holy persons and such blessed like pundit ji
>> are
>> >> always free of bondages and the clutches of getting fame and praise for
>> >> whatever they have done or are doing ,they are the trend setters .
>> >> already mentioned any dignity or any good soul rather i will say
>> >> blessed
>> >> soul wont feel any bondages or bindings on giving and sharing whatever
>> he
>> >> or
>> >> she has experienced or learned in his life.
>> >> no one can
>> >> impose
>> >> anything on anybody it is everyones free will whether to accept or
>> reject
>> >> the proposal but if there is pure truth in the saying or teaching
>> whatever
>> >> is said no one can deny it because that saying will reflect in one or
>> >> another manner in your life and you have to accept it.
>> >>
>> >> i think all might be thinking that in this topic we till date havent
>> >> discussed anything on remedial measure or astrological part but let me
>> >> tell
>> >> you this topic is really necessary to be discussed prior to all,because
>> >> astrology itself is full of how,what, when,why and many more questions
>> and
>> >> anyone whosoever want to read or study astrology ,for him the foremost
>> >> question for him would arise that for what he is learning astrology?
>> >>
>> >> is he learning astrology for himself?
>> >> or learning to get rid of self problems.u might have
>> seen
>> >> that most of the people who are astrologers these days ,had gone
>> through
>> >> really tough time in their past and decided to learn it.
>> >> or told to do so because of their family tradition as is
>> >> done in pundits families,family tradition.
>> >> or person really want to serve the humanity selflessly
>> >> like
>> >> pundit jee.
>> >> or to make money as these days lot of people think
>> >> that
>> >> astrology is a very good tool for making money.
>> >> in all i would like to say that it depends
>> on
>> >> us that how do we see to get ourself attached with the learning.from
>> that
>> >> very starting point our intentions and further results of outcomings
>> could
>> >> be derived eithr positive or negative outcome.
>> >>
>> >> it is rightly said
>> >>
>> >> " nazraein badli to nazare badal gaye
>> >> kishti badli to kinare badal gaye."
>> >>
>> >> our senior Sh. Yograjji has written very
>> >> nicely
>> >> what he has felt and observed by being a witness and has expressed his
>> >> feelings on the ongoing discussion.i am slow in writing.i would preffer
>> to
>> >> have discussion by sitting face to face with each other because there
>> are
>> >> too many things which we can discuss easily and fluently and that too
>> >> in
>> >> big
>> >> numbers but when it comes to writing person like me fells handicaped.
>> >>
>> >> otherwise i know this topic will make every one to think atleast once
>> that
>> >> what is their soul purpose of learning or study astrology?
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> MS KONDAL
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@gmail.com>
>> >> To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 10:44:31 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Why study Astrology?
>> >>
>> >> Guruji, what pt ji has written in lalkitab and what his contemporaries
>> >> say about his life style clearly shows that pt ji was a very broad
>> >> minded person. He has clearly written in SARSARI NOTE what is required
>> >> to understand this book. Some extra tools can make the job easier e.g.
>> >> Pt ji did the calculation part manually but now softwares are used.
>> >> Guru may be helpful in that sense but the guru should not be such as
>> >> he binds the subject. Pt ji was open minded to such an extent that he
>> >> laid great stress on purani rasme, kul purohit etc. He hinself didn't
>> >> wanted to be a guru. He gave whatever he had without any bondages.
>> >> Reccommending something that might be helpful but Imposing is not
>> >> right. Regards. Kulbir.
>> >>
>> >> On 6/30/09, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>> Dear Kulbir ji
>> >>>
>> >>> First of all, I strongly object to the conspiracy initiated by you and
>> >>> Jitin
>> >>> against me to deprive me of the title "The Dumbest". Mind you, I am
>> >>> the
>> >>> most
>> >>> eligible person for this title in the field of Lal Kitab.
>> >>>
>> >>> Since I have nothing to do with this spirituality thing, I am unable
>> >>> to
>> >>> comment on that. But "je ghoDi chaDhaya nee – taan chaDhdey taan
>> batherey
>> >>> dekhey hi ney. So I would humbly like to convey to my learned
>> colleagues
>> >>> in
>> >>> the forum that in my view spirituality in not like boasting of
>> >>> "having"
>> >>> something special, rather it's a process of becoming the absolute
>> >>> ZERO.
>> >>> I
>> >>> believe that this Zero status can be achieved without possessing
>> anything
>> >>> special, but an open mind. I know many such people who are living in
>> >>> this
>> >>> materialistic world but still possess the high degree of this quality.
>> >>>
>> >>> Now, a few words about Guru. My dear friends, a Guru is not
>> necessarily
>> >>> a
>> >>> human being. An ideology, an idea, a theory, even a good saying can be
>> >>> one's
>> >>> Guru. Moreover in my personal humble opinion, those whom Pundit jee
>> >>> has
>> >>> selected to spread the knowledge of divine Lal Kitab, those who are
>> >>> fortunate enough to touch these sacred scriptures, do not require any
>> >>> other
>> >>> Guru or Sad-Guru for the matter, or did they?
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't know what the spirituality or Guru means to others. But I
>> expect
>> >>> every true Lal kitab student to be a broad minded like Pundit jee and
>> >>> always
>> >>> ready to share. I hate the tendency of "chunj Dubowan – par lukowan"
>> >>> adopted
>> >>> by some of our exalted colleagues. No one should feel himself free of
>> his
>> >>> sacred duties after writing a few mails in the group, it is a
>> >>> perpetual
>> >>> process and everybody has to work hard to complete the task assigned
>> >>> by
>> >>> Pundit jee. So my dear friends, no half measure will do. Further
>> >>> propagation
>> >>> of such fatal tendencies will lead us to nowhere.
>> >>>
>> >>> I read all the beautiful posts, and the following is my observation:
>> >>>
>> >>> (1). whatever Mr Sumit has written, reflects whatever he has been
>> >>> "Taught".
>> >>> (2). whatever Mr Jitin has expressed, indicates whatever he has
>> >>> "Learned".
>> >>> (3). whatever Mr Kulbir has written, clearly shows whatever he has
>> >>> "Learned
>> >>> and experienced".
>> >>> (4). Whatever Acharya MS Kondal sahib has written is the part and
>> parcel
>> >>> of
>> >>> his "Basic training".
>> >>> (5). and whatever I have expressed in the above lines is, whatever I
>> >>> "felt".
>> >>>
>> >>> I will share those interesting fables on an appropriate time as
>> >>> desired
>> >>> by
>> >>> you.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Sincerely
>> >>> Yograj Prabhakar
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@...>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Syal ji, i am the dumbest, don't have a Satguru so i know totally
>> >>>> nothing about Sumeet ji's method but it has an appeal moresoever when
>> >>>> Kondal Sahib's endorses. U asked Where to sign for sure shot
>> >>>> remedies?
>> >>>> I can only share my practical experience. Remedial portion involves
>> >>>> an
>> >>>> extra dimension. Prabhakar ji is a guru. He explained this dimension
>> >>>> by telling a mythological story of Ek Pathi Ek Munda. These fables
>> >>>> might not have actually happenned but the essence is a saar of
>> >>>> observation of thousands of years which the seers observed. I come
>> >>>> from a rural background so i understood it in punjabi. I don't have
>> >>>> any forbiddance from his side to hide anything that i got from him.
>> >>>> But i would like him to translate it and send it in english also the
>> >>>> story of Buggla phadna and Syani Jethani Kamali Dewarani. Because
>> >>>> translation by 2nd person is not that effective. If he refuses then i
>> >>>> will do so without even asking for his permission. Let me explain the
>> >>>> reason for this also Lord Buddha prophecised that he will be
>> >>>> reincarnated in our/this present time by the name of MAITRAY people
>> >>>> are waiting for him. Some spiritual sects even experimented to bring
>> >>>> his soul in a body. Even a young boy (J Krishnamurthy's elder
>> >>>> brother)
>> >>>> died in this process. BUT WHAT LORD BUDDHA MEANT TO CONVEY TO HIS
>> >>>> DISCIPLES WAS THAT GURU IN THESE TIMES WILL BE A FRIEND this is
>> >>>> actual
>> >>>> meaning that he conveyed by MAITRAY. So Prabhakar ji and Senior
>> >>>> members of this and other lalkitab groups are like maitray guru to
>> >>>> me.
>> >>>> Prabhakar ji being one of those with whom i quarrell with, abuse him,
>> >>>> yet i recieve his blessings his doors are always open knowing very
>> >>>> well what guru dakshina i have to offer. So i request him to tell
>> >>>> himself these in larger interest. Otherwise i am always at ur
>> >>>> service.
>> >>>> Regards . Kulbir.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 6/27/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@...> wrote:
>> >>>> > Kulbir ji,
>> >>>> > I don't know sumit ji and his caliber and neither do i doubt it. i
>> >>>> > just
>> >>>> > know
>> >>>> > one thing i am probably the dumbest student in this group and
>> nowhere
>> >>>> > near
>> >>>> > as any one else here.
>> >>>> > but don't you think he needs to know the true meaning of life
>> >>>> > before
>> >>>> > touching/ "being one" with god?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > He is saying that "naam-jaap" is the only true way to success,if
>> >>>> > that's
>> >>>> > the
>> >>>> > case............ where do i sign?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Regards
>> >>>> > Jitin Syal
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Syal ji, u r right, two concepts should be clear 1. Meaning of
>> >>>> >> success
>> >>>> >> 2. Explanation about the methodology. Lets hope Sumeet ji
>> >>>> >> explains.
>> >>>> >> His explanation of horoscope matching is simply amazing. It shows
>> >>>> >> that
>> >>>> >> he has a very high calibre. He writes 81 in his id. As per my
>> >>>> >> assumption if that is his birth year then such knowledge at this
>> age
>> >>>> >> is a karishma. He indeed is a blessed soul. Regards. Kulbir.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> On 6/26/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:
>> >>>> >> > Kulbir paaji,
>> >>>> >> > I always feel that we(humans) are here to balance our negative,
>> >>>> >> > positives
>> >>>> >> > from previous births.. if someone doesn't have something in this
>> >>>> >> > world
>> >>>> >> > he
>> >>>> >> > is
>> >>>> >> > just paying for his sins or vice versa. Even Pt. ji has left the
>> >>>> >> > "greh
>> >>>> >> > phal"
>> >>>> >> > planets untouched as somethings can't be changed.
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > I totally agree that, any unnecessary intervention with
>> Almighty's
>> >>>> >> > plan
>> >>>> >> > WILL
>> >>>> >> > backfire, hence my point was to ask sumit ji to elaborate their
>> >>>> >> > option/way
>> >>>> >> > one where he has predicted a "sure shot" at success.
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > yours sincerely
>> >>>> >> > Jitin Syal
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@
>> >
>> >>>> >> > wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> Syal ji, sumeet ji will answer ur querry. I would like to share
>> a
>> >>>> >> >> fact. After world war the ratio of male child increased
>> >>>> >> >> dramatically
>> >>>> >> >> as compared to female child. 1600 : 1000. Secondly
>> >>>> >> >> determination
>> >>>> >> >> of
>> >>>> >> >> gender at conception has parameters that are generally beyond
>> >>>> >> >> human
>> >>>> >> >> control. But still nature has maintained the balance that life
>> >>>> >> >> goes
>> >>>> >> >> on. Imagind a scenario if only male or only female child
>> continued
>> >>>> >> >> say
>> >>>> >> >> for even a century. But it has not happenned. Why? There is a
>> >>>> >> >> divine
>> >>>> >> >> scheme, jyotish is a tool to understand it. This divine scheme
>> and
>> >>>> >> >> individual interests creat a confusion. Upaya may be suggessted
>> >>>> >> >> but
>> >>>> >> >> the upayagar should have knowledge of the divine scheme.
>> >>>> >> >> Unneccessary
>> >>>> >> >> intervention will not yield results in the first place and if
>> does
>> >>>> >> >> somebody is going to pay for it. Written very clearly in
>> lalkitab.
>> >>>> >> >> Guru is a kind of superimposition on a person's mind to keep
>> >>>> >> >> him
>> >>>> >> >> ever
>> >>>> >> >> alert. Regards. Kulbir.
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> On 6/25/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >> > Sumit ji,
>> >>>> >> >> > Are you saying that option one is a gauranteed
>> success/remedial
>> >>>> >> >> > measure
>> >>>> >> >> > without any risk of "backfire" or loss of spirituality??
>> >>>> >> >> > if so, please elaborate further.
>> >>>> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> > Regards
>> >>>> >> >> > Jitin Syal
>> >>>> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "sumitbansal_81"
>> >>>> >> >> > <sumitbansal_81@>
>> >>>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> Respected All,
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> It is indeed a pleasure in itself to see and read such a
>> >>>> >> >> >> beautiful
>> >>>> >> >> >> topic
>> >>>> >> >> >> related to Astrology which clearly outlines the true nature
>> and
>> >>>> >> >> >> objective
>> >>>> >> >> >> of Astrology. Kondalji has given us a marvelous insight in
>> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> basic
>> >>>> >> >> >> idea
>> >>>> >> >> >> towards the mere existance of the Jyotish Shastra. It is
>> righly
>> >>>> >> >> >> said
>> >>>> >> >> >> that
>> >>>> >> >> >> Jyotish is the "ISHVARIYA JYOTI" and is a guiding light of
>> each
>> >>>> >> >> >> and
>> >>>> >> >> >> every
>> >>>> >> >> >> human being towards achieving the "Ultimate Goal" - to
>> >>>> >> >> >> become
>> >>>> >> >> >> "One"
>> >>>> >> >> >> with
>> >>>> >> >> >> the GOD by providing the means to initiate the purification
>> >>>> >> >> >> process
>> >>>> >> >> >> of
>> >>>> >> >> >> "Chitt" and "Mann".
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> However, even when there are millions of human beings taking
>> >>>> >> >> >> birth
>> >>>> >> >> >> on
>> >>>> >> >> >> this
>> >>>> >> >> >> planet earth, not even one percent of them ever think about
>> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> reason
>> >>>> >> >> >> as
>> >>>> >> >> >> why are they born and what is the specific task assigned to
>> >>>> >> >> >> them
>> >>>> >> >> >> by
>> >>>> >> >> >> that
>> >>>> >> >> >> one Supreme God and which is the specific path, he/she has
>> >>>> >> >> >> to
>> >>>> >> >> >> tread
>> >>>> >> >> >> in
>> >>>> >> >> >> order to achieve or fulfill that specific task?
>> >>>> >> >> >> And the saddest part of the story is that by the time one
>> >>>> >> >> >> realizes
>> >>>> >> >> >> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> need and authenticity of these questions, there is not
>> >>>> >> >> >> enough
>> >>>> >> >> >> time
>> >>>> >> >> >> left
>> >>>> >> >> >> for him to achieve the set goal. A very famous Bollywood
>> >>>> >> >> >> Song
>> >>>> >> >> >> has
>> >>>> >> >> >> rightly
>> >>>> >> >> >> described this situaltion in the following lines:
>> >>>> >> >> >> "Ladakpan Khel Mein Khoya,
>> >>>> >> >> >> Jawaani Neend Bhar Soya,
>> >>>> >> >> >> Burhahpa Dekh Kar Roya,
>> >>>> >> >> >> Yehi Kissa Puraana Hai."
>> >>>> >> >> >> But Jyoish is that devine light which can help an individual
>> by
>> >>>> >> >> >> breaking
>> >>>> >> >> >> the spell of his slumber just as the light of the morning
>> >>>> >> >> >> sun
>> >>>> >> >> >> awakes
>> >>>> >> >> >> a
>> >>>> >> >> >> sleeping person.
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> Spiritualism oozes from each and every aspect of Jyotish
>> >>>> >> >> >> Shastra.
>> >>>> >> >> >> The
>> >>>> >> >> >> only
>> >>>> >> >> >> consideration is the "View Point" or "Nazar" by which anyone
>> >>>> >> >> >> looks
>> >>>> >> >> >> at
>> >>>> >> >> >> it.
>> >>>> >> >> >> To illustrate, I can provide a very simple example of
>> >>>> >> >> >> "Horoscope
>> >>>> >> >> >> Matching".
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> Every human being has some kind of desire(s) present in his
>> >>>> >> >> >> heart
>> >>>> >> >> >> and
>> >>>> >> >> >> these desires then lead to the formation of "Aasha" and
>> >>>> >> >> >> "Trishna".
>> >>>> >> >> >> This
>> >>>> >> >> >> in
>> >>>> >> >> >> turn leads to the creation of the "Karma" which ultimately
>> >>>> >> >> >> culminate
>> >>>> >> >> >> in
>> >>>> >> >> >> the formation of "Paap" and "Punya". These Paap and Punya
>> >>>> >> >> >> are
>> >>>> >> >> >> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> deciding
>> >>>> >> >> >> factors of the type and quality of the next life which this
>> >>>> >> >> >> jeevatma
>> >>>> >> >> >> has
>> >>>> >> >> >> to undergo.
>> >>>> >> >> >> Now the ultimate Goal of any individual is to become one
>> >>>> >> >> >> with
>> >>>> >> >> >> GOD
>> >>>> >> >> >> or
>> >>>> >> >> >> to
>> >>>> >> >> >> attain the state of "Adwait" and this can only be done by
>> >>>> >> >> >> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> purification
>> >>>> >> >> >> of "Chitt" and "Mann" which can be attained by the
>> purification
>> >>>> >> >> >> of
>> >>>> >> >> >> "Karma"
>> >>>> >> >> >> and this is the exact point where Jyotish comes into play.
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> Anyone can Purify the Karmas in Two Ways, either using both
>> or
>> >>>> >> >> >> any
>> >>>> >> >> >> one
>> >>>> >> >> >> of
>> >>>> >> >> >> the two. And the two ways are:
>> >>>> >> >> >> 1. Naam Jaap - where the "Naam" is given by a "Sat-Guru"
>> >>>> >> >> >> and
>> >>>> >> >> >> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> "Sat-Guru" himself is guiding the person.
>> >>>> >> >> >> 2. Dividing or Cutting his Atma into few smaller pieces
>> and
>> >>>> >> >> >> then
>> >>>> >> >> >> purifying them one by one.
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> "YES, ATMA CAN ALSO BE CUT." and this is the ultimate truth
>> of
>> >>>> >> >> >> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> spirituality which if understood properly, will describe as
>> how
>> >>>> >> >> >> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> GOD
>> >>>> >> >> >> is
>> >>>> >> >> >> keeping himself alive or "Amar". I cannot describe more here
>> >>>> >> >> >> due
>> >>>> >> >> >> to
>> >>>> >> >> >> "Guru
>> >>>> >> >> >> Agya" but, the only hint I can give is that a "Sperm" or
>> "Beej"
>> >>>> >> >> >> created
>> >>>> >> >> >> inside the human body is as much living as we are and we all
>> >>>> >> >> >> are
>> >>>> >> >> >> made
>> >>>> >> >> >> from
>> >>>> >> >> >> this "Sperm" and we all have atma. Female Egg can only
>> provide
>> >>>> >> >> >> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> breeding ground for this so called "Beej" but, cannot impart
>> >>>> >> >> >> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> "Atma"
>> >>>> >> >> >> in
>> >>>> >> >> >> the "Beej". So, where does this "Atma" comes into the "Beej"
>> >>>> >> >> >> ????
>> >>>> >> >> >> Yes,
>> >>>> >> >> >> you
>> >>>> >> >> >> guessed it right, it is the "Ansh" of our own "Atma". And in
>> >>>> >> >> >> this
>> >>>> >> >> >> particular sense, each Father is just like "Param-Atma" to
>> his
>> >>>> >> >> >> offspring.
>> >>>> >> >> >> So, it is the atma of the Father which is cut into pieces
>> >>>> >> >> >> everytime
>> >>>> >> >> >> sperms
>> >>>> >> >> >> leaves his body. "No further explanation on this part can be
>> >>>> >> >> >> given
>> >>>> >> >> >> here
>> >>>> >> >> >> due to the sensitivity of the topic"
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> Now, if you are using the option "One" only then it is
>> >>>> >> >> >> "Okay"
>> >>>> >> >> >> in
>> >>>> >> >> >> all
>> >>>> >> >> >> sense. However, if you are using the Option "Two" or "Both
>> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> options",
>> >>>> >> >> >> then there is a catch that the "Ansh" or "Beej of your Atma"
>> >>>> >> >> >> might
>> >>>> >> >> >> not
>> >>>> >> >> >> get
>> >>>> >> >> >> a proper breeding ground which might result into creation of
>> >>>> >> >> >> more
>> >>>> >> >> >> desire
>> >>>> >> >> >> in the Beej due to lack of the proper "Nutrients" which a
>> Beej
>> >>>> >> >> >> might
>> >>>> >> >> >> take
>> >>>> >> >> >> from Mother which will again create "Aasha" and "Trishna"
>> >>>> >> >> >> and
>> >>>> >> >> >> so
>> >>>> >> >> >> on
>> >>>> >> >> >> to
>> >>>> >> >> >> "Paap" and "Punya". And if this happens, then, the Beej
>> >>>> >> >> >> again
>> >>>> >> >> >> has
>> >>>> >> >> >> to
>> >>>> >> >> >> go
>> >>>> >> >> >> through the complete cycle of "Chauraasi".
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> As explained above, the so called "Nutrients" are nothing
>> >>>> >> >> >> but
>> >>>> >> >> >> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> "Guna"
>> >>>> >> >> >> of the Mother and the "Actual Requirement of the Beej" is
>> >>>> >> >> >> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> "Guna"
>> >>>> >> >> >> of
>> >>>> >> >> >> the Father. So, if there is a mismatch between the two, then
>> >>>> >> >> >> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> Option
>> >>>> >> >> >> Two is bound to fail which will create more distress in the
>> >>>> >> >> >> human
>> >>>> >> >> >> society.
>> >>>> >> >> >> AND TO BE HONEST, OPTION TWO IS THE ONE WHICH IS BEING USED
>> IN
>> >>>> >> >> >> A
>> >>>> >> >> >> VERY
>> >>>> >> >> >> VERY
>> >>>> >> >> >> VERY LARGE PROPORTION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE ACTUAL TRUTH
>> >>>> >> >> >> BEHIND
>> >>>> >> >> >> THE
>> >>>> >> >> >> USE OF THIS OPTION. AND ONLY JYOTISH IS CAPABLE OF
>> >>>> >> >> >> RECTIFYING
>> >>>> >> >> >> THIS
>> >>>> >> >> >> MISTAKE
>> >>>> >> >> >> OF MAN AND SHOWING AS HOW TO BEGET WORTHY CHILDREN BY PROPER
>> >>>> >> >> >> MATCHING
>> >>>> >> >> >> OF
>> >>>> >> >> >> SOIL AND SEED.
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> This clearly shows the Criticality as why Horoscope Matching
>> is
>> >>>> >> >> >> so
>> >>>> >> >> >> important and the undefiable relationship between Jyotish
>> >>>> >> >> >> and
>> >>>> >> >> >> Aadhyatam.
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> In the end I can only say that Option One is the only True
>> >>>> >> >> >> Option
>> >>>> >> >> >> as
>> >>>> >> >> >> Option Two is just like using a shortcut which has the
>> >>>> >> >> >> reputation
>> >>>> >> >> >> of
>> >>>> >> >> >> "Backfiring Percentage" set at 99.99% as the Jyotish Shastra
>> is
>> >>>> >> >> >> not
>> >>>> >> >> >> being
>> >>>> >> >> >> used as required. No one literally know as how to implement
>> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> jyotish
>> >>>> >> >> >> shastra. All just know one thing and that is how to do the
>> upai
>> >>>> >> >> >> and
>> >>>> >> >> >> that
>> >>>> >> >> >> also incorrect. If you are playing with gun loaded bullets,
>> and
>> >>>> >> >> >> you
>> >>>> >> >> >> don't
>> >>>> >> >> >> know how to use the gun properly, then at least cover
>> yourself
>> >>>> >> >> >> with
>> >>>> >> >> >> a
>> >>>> >> >> >> bulletproof dress first. Providing or telling Upai of
>> something
>> >>>> >> >> >> so
>> >>>> >> >> >> much
>> >>>> >> >> >> spiritual will only erode you spiritually unless and untill
>> you
>> >>>> >> >> >> have
>> >>>> >> >> >> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> required "Guru Kripa".
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> I tender my apologies for being rude or harsh. My purpose of
>> >>>> >> >> >> writing
>> >>>> >> >> >> this
>> >>>> >> >> >> was not to offend anyone but to provide the exact scenario
>> >>>> >> >> >> as
>> >>>> >> >> >> what
>> >>>> >> >> >> is
>> >>>> >> >> >> being done and what could it lead to. If I have hurt the
>> >>>> >> >> >> feelings
>> >>>> >> >> >> of
>> >>>> >> >> >> anyone, then please ask yourself, "Do you really have the
>> >>>> >> >> >> required
>> >>>> >> >> >> Bullet-Proof Suite?" You will get the answer yourself. The
>> >>>> >> >> >> Supreme
>> >>>> >> >> >> God
>> >>>> >> >> >> speakes from the very inside of your "Chitt" or
>> "Ghat-Mandir".
>> >>>> >> >> >> Listen
>> >>>> >> >> >> to
>> >>>> >> >> >> him and you will get the answer.....
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> Whatever I have learned from my revered Guruji is as under:
>> >>>> >> >> >> "Guru Kripa Se Hai Mila,
>> >>>> >> >> >> Jiska Naam Sunaam.
>> >>>> >> >> >> Ghat Ghat Mein Bole Jo Sabke,
>> >>>> >> >> >> Hai Woh Atma Ram."
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> Regards,
>> >>>> >> >> >> Sumit Bansal.
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, maneshwar singh kondal
>> >>>> >> >> >> <mskondal@>
>> >>>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > date:18-6-2009
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > hello kulbir ji,
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > first of
>> >>>> >> >> >> > all let me thank u for discussing such a vital point in
>> >>>> >> >> >> > astrology
>> >>>> >> >> >> > or
>> >>>> >> >> >> > everybody life that why and for what we are doing any job
>> as
>> >>>> >> >> >> > quoted
>> >>>> >> >> >> > by
>> >>>> >> >> >> > u that why we are using or doing astrology.this is a very
>> >>>> >> >> >> > crucial
>> >>>> >> >> >> > point
>> >>>> >> >> >> > and i will try to contribute from myside what ever i know
>> >>>> >> >> >> > openly
>> >>>> >> >> >> > and
>> >>>> >> >> >> > would like everybody to share their views on this topic
>> >>>> >> >> >> > because
>> >>>> >> >> >> > this
>> >>>> >> >> >> > is
>> >>>> >> >> >> > directly related to our spiritual enlightenment and
>> >>>> >> >> >> > getting
>> >>>> >> >> >> > in
>> >>>> >> >> >> > touch
>> >>>> >> >> >> > with god.this topic is never ending and i request all
>> members
>> >>>> >> >> >> > to
>> >>>> >> >> >> > keep
>> >>>> >> >> >> > on writing their true experiences and findings regarding
>> >>>> >> >> >> > spiritual
>> >>>> >> >> >> > and
>> >>>> >> >> >> > worldly astrology and try to differentiate between the
>> >>>> >> >> >> > two.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > as kulbir ji has quoted from osho's book the words
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > jyotish
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > sampooranta
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ekta
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > advait
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > all these words are self explanatry
>> >>>> >> >> >> > but if we start explaining them then we will become short
>> of
>> >>>> >> >> >> > words
>> >>>> >> >> >> > but
>> >>>> >> >> >> > i would say that if we compile all these in one word we
>> >>>> >> >> >> > can
>> >>>> >> >> >> > say
>> >>>> >> >> >> > these
>> >>>> >> >> >> > are the qualities of one and only one supreme and that is
>> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE
>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOD.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ACTUALLY WE ARE THE JEEVATMAS AND
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ARE PART OF THE SUPREME LORD AND DUE TO VARIOUS JANAMAS
>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND
>> >>>> >> >> >> > BIRTHS
>> >>>> >> >> >> > LOT
>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF MISCONCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN ENGRAVED IN OUR MINDS AND
>> BECAUSE
>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF
>> >>>> >> >> >> > OUR
>> >>>> >> >> >> > SANCHIT KARMAS AND DUE TO PRARABDH WE ARE GETTING BIRTHS
>> >>>> >> >> >> > AGAIN
>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND
>> >>>> >> >> >> > AGAIN AND GETTING DETACHED FROM THE SUPREME DAY BY DAY TO
>> >>>> >> >> >> > FULFIL
>> >>>> >> >> >> > OUR
>> >>>> >> >> >> > WORLDLY DEEDS,WHICH ULTIMATELY LAND US NOWHERE ELSE THAN
>> >>>> >> >> >> > REBIRTH
>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO
>> >>>> >> >> >> > FULFIL OUR DESIRES AND WE GET USED TO THE RE BIRTH CYCLE
>> AND
>> >>>> >> >> >> > CARRY
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ON
>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND FORGET OUR TRUE HOME THAT IS NONE OTHER THAN THE
>> SUPREME
>> >>>> >> >> >> > FATHER
>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOD.BUT
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > REMEBER ONE THING
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE WHO GIVES ,GIVES,GIVES,GIVES.......... AND FORGIVES
>> IS
>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOD
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > WHO GETS, GETS, GETS, GETS............. AND FORGETS
>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS
>> >>>> >> >> >> > HUMAN
>> >>>> >> >> >> > BEING
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > THIS IS THE NATURE OF GOD
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > BUT THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF HIS
>> >>>> >> >> >> > FORGIVING NATURE BY DEFAULT THE SUPREME HAS PROGRAMMED
>> EACH
>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND
>> >>>> >> >> >> > EVERY
>> >>>> >> >> >> > HUMAN MIND TO THINK OF ITSELF FOR THE ACTUAL TRUTH THAT
>> >>>> >> >> >> > WHY
>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE
>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ON
>> >>>> >> >> >> > THIS EARTH?WHY HE IS BORN,WHAT HE HAS TO DO,IS HE HERE FOR
>> >>>> >> >> >> > MAKING
>> >>>> >> >> >> > MONEY
>> >>>> >> >> >> > OR IS HE HERE TO ENJOY WOMEN OR IS HE HERE TO FOOL OTHERS
>> OR
>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS
>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE
>> >>>> >> >> >> > HERE
>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO MAKE PROPERTY?
>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND MANY MANY OTHER QUESTIONS, EVERY HUMAN THINKS IN HIS
>> MIND
>> >>>> >> >> >> > SOME
>> >>>> >> >> >> > DAY
>> >>>> >> >> >> > SOME TIME .
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > THOSE R LUCKY WHO THINK AT EARLY
>> >>>> >> >> >> > STAGE OF LIFE AND MANY THINK AT LATER AGE BUT ALL OF THEM
>> TRY
>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO
>> >>>> >> >> >> > UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL THING AND SOME R ABLE TO GET
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ANSWERS
>> >>>> >> >> >> > BUT
>> >>>> >> >> >> > THEY
>> >>>> >> >> >> > DONT HAVE THE TIME TO USE IT PRACTICALLY BECAUSE LIFE IS
>> TOO
>> >>>> >> >> >> > SHORT.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > SO JYOTISH MEANS ISHVARIYA JYOTI AND EVERYBODY IS
>> >>>> >> >> >> > HAVING
>> >>>> >> >> >> > A
>> >>>> >> >> >> > PART OF IT BUT HOW MANY HAVE REALISED IT?
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > SAMPOORANTA MEANS WHO HAS MASTERD THE ALL
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > EKTA MEANS ONENESS
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ADWAIT AGAIN THE
>> >>>> >> >> >> > PERSON WHO HAS RAISED ABOVE FROM THE DVAIT BHAV THAT
>> MEANS
>> >>>> >> >> >> > HE
>> >>>> >> >> >> > HAS
>> >>>> >> >> >> > NO
>> >>>> >> >> >> > DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
>> >>>> >> >> >> > T
>> >>>> >> >> >> > - HE TWO. MEANS JO DO SE EK
>> ROOP
>> >>>> >> >> >> > HO
>> >>>> >> >> >> > JAYE
>> >>>> >> >> >> > .
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > AS I SAID IT IS JUST A START I DONT
>> >>>> >> >> >> > KNOW WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ,BUT THIS IS THE TOPIC WHICH IS
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ATTACHED
>> >>>> >> >> >> > WITH
>> >>>> >> >> >> > EVERY BODY LIFE SO KEEP ON DISCUSSING IT .PRADEEP SHARMA
>> >>>> >> >> >> > JI
>> >>>> >> >> >> > WAS
>> >>>> >> >> >> > TELLING
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ME MOST OF THE TIMES THAT I SHOULD START SUCH A TOPIC BUT
>> >>>> >> >> >> > I
>> >>>> >> >> >> > WAS
>> >>>> >> >> >> > WAITING
>> >>>> >> >> >> > REALLY FOR THE DAY, THAT THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN SOME ONE
>> >>>> >> >> >> > WILL
>> >>>> >> >> >> > COME
>> >>>> >> >> >> > OUT OF SO MANY LEARNED PEOPLE AND WILL ASK FOR THE TRUE
>> >>>> >> >> >> > MEANING
>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY.YET I HAVE NOT WRITTEN MUCH BUT I WILL LOVE TO
>> >>>> >> >> >> > WRITE
>> >>>> >> >> >> > MORE
>> >>>> >> >> >> > BECAUSE THIS IS THE QUESTION RELATED TO OUR TRUE SELF AND
>> IT
>> >>>> >> >> >> > IS
>> >>>> >> >> >> > MY
>> >>>> >> >> >> > FOREMOST DUTY TO ANSWER AND WILL TRY TO TELL WHAT I
>> >>>> >> >> >> > EXPERIENCED
>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND
>> >>>> >> >> >> > WILL LEARN FROM ALL MY SENIORS AND COLLEAGUES WHO R REALLY
>> >>>> >> >> >> > DESPERATELY
>> >>>> >> >> >> > AND SINCERELY FINDING LOTS AND LOTS OF THINGS BY MEANS OF
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY
>> >>>> >> >> >> > TO
>> >>>> >> >> >> > GIVE BENEFITS TO THE SOCIETY
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > THERE IS A GURUBANI QUOTE BHAYI PRAPAT MANUKH
>> DEOHRIA
>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOBIND
>> >>>> >> >> >> > MILAN KI EHO TERI BARIYA
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> AVAR
>> >>>> >> >> >> > KAAJ
>> >>>> >> >> >> > TERE
>> >>>> >> >> >> > KITE NAA KAAM MIL SAADH SANGAT BHAJ KEVAL NAAM
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > MEANS: FOR WHAT U HAVE
>> >>>> >> >> >> > GOT
>> >>>> >> >> >> > BIRTH
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ON
>> >>>> >> >> >> > THIS UNIVERSE? U HAVE GOT THIS HUMAN BODY TO MEET THE
>> SUPREME
>> >>>> >> >> >> > THE
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND THAT TOO U CAN DO WITHIN THIS HUMAN BIRTH
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ONLY,YOUR
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ALL
>> >>>> >> >> >> > OTHER DEEDS WONT GIVE U ANYTHING AT ALL,ONLY AND ONLY
>> >>>> >> >> >> > RECITATION
>> >>>> >> >> >> > OF
>> >>>> >> >> >> > THE
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND GETTING UNITED WITH IT IS YOUR GOAL.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > in the last i would say, by the help
>> >>>> >> >> >> > of astrology everybody should try to find the sins or the
>> >>>> >> >> >> > sanchit
>> >>>> >> >> >> > karmas by means of planets and try to get rid of their
>> >>>> >> >> >> > influences
>> >>>> >> >> >> > by
>> >>>> >> >> >> > jap daan homas and sewa and many other means but should do
>> >>>> >> >> >> > these
>> >>>> >> >> >> > things
>> >>>> >> >> >> > sincerely and with a fear in mind that i have to get out
>> >>>> >> >> >> > of
>> >>>> >> >> >> > this
>> >>>> >> >> >> > cycle
>> >>>> >> >> >> > or any bad habit which i am having because of the planets
>> bad
>> >>>> >> >> >> > influence, because of sanchit karmas.so we r here to get
>> >>>> >> >> >> > lessons
>> >>>> >> >> >> > from
>> >>>> >> >> >> > our previous births and lead a new life in this birth with
>> >>>> >> >> >> > the
>> >>>> >> >> >> > help
>> >>>> >> >> >> > of
>> >>>> >> >> >> > astrology by trying to rectifying our bad vices and lusts
>> for
>> >>>> >> >> >> > life
>> >>>> >> >> >> > and
>> >>>> >> >> >> > try to become detached from worldly deeds.sorry everybody
>> if
>> >>>> >> >> >> > i
>> >>>> >> >> >> > had
>> >>>> >> >> >> > written anything wrong and ever hurt any body sentiments..
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Regards
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > MS KONDAL
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ________________________________
>> >>>> >> >> >> > From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>
>> >>>> >> >> >> > To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53:08 AM
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Ashok ji; why study
>> >>>> >> >> >> > astrology?
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Respected Ashok ji; since the day u asked " why am i
>> >>>> >> >> >> > interested
>> >>>> >> >> >> > in
>> >>>> >> >> >> > study of astrology" i was looking for an answer. I read
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Osho's
>> >>>> >> >> >> > article
>> >>>> >> >> >> > on astrology he writes " JYOTISH SAMPOORANTA, EAKTA AUR
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ADVAIT
>> >>>> >> >> >> > KA
>> >>>> >> >> >> > VIGYAN HAI". Regards. Kulbir.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Kulbir Ji,
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Thanks a lots.
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Best of regards
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Ashok Singh
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@
>> gmail.com>
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > wrote:
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > MUCH
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > ??
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > )
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:36 AM
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Ashok ji, page 155-157 of 1952 part 3 uploaded by Nirmal
>> ji
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > ....
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > SEHAT, BIMARI, NAFA, NUKSAAN, FATEH, SHIKASAT (these
>> words
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > include
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > all
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > of ur querries) har do pehlu ke liye yahi asool honge.
>> This
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > line
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > is
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > 2nd line under subhead BIMAARI on page 155 as ref.
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > above.
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > But
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > my
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > friend this is not all inclusive. e.g. Bimari of aathraa
>> is
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > explained
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > in farmaan no. 161 1939 volume. Go in for short cuts
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > only
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > in
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > desperate
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > situation. For study and research follow guidelines
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > given
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > by
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > pt.
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > Ji
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > in
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > SARSARI NOTE Regards. Kulbir.
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Kulbir Ji,
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Thanks for the reply. If you can write me where in lal
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> kitab
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> written
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> how
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> to
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> evaluate
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> the native range of success, that would be great.
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> I am very much interested in the intensity(scale) of
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> health,
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> success
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> or
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> failure.
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Best regards
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok Singh
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@
>> gmail.com>
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Health, Sucess/Failure
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> (HOW
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> MUCH
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> ?? )
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 12:03 PM
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok ji, what u are saying is represented loosely by
>> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> term
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> oxymoron. Secondly health and success may be related
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> somehow.
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> But
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> illness is no deterent to success. Then success in
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> which
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> field?
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> It
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> has
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> to be specific. Lastly the dictum that all houses and
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> planets
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> have
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> to
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> be considered before reaching a conclusion. This type
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> of
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> isolated
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> study is against the basic rules of lalkitab. Regards.
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Kulbir.
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >> On 6/12/09, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Dear Members,
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> In a horoscope priciple to see health,sucess/ failure
>> is
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> same.
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> Can we find range of sucess as in Lal kitab written
>> HNo.
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> 10
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> shows
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> the intensity of illiness does it applicable for
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> sucess
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> also.
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> It would be really appreciated.
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> My real goal is to find HOW MUCH i.e. what would be
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> range
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> of
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>> sucess.
>> >>>> >> >> >> > >>>
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