From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 11:58:22 PM
Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Why study Astrology?
Respected Kondal Sahib, Pardeep sharma ji told me that read lalkitab
as a spiritual book. Unki agya sar mathe. I have started my study
afresh. I am stuck at pakka ghar khanna no.2 line PHAL 2-11 APNA APNA
DHARAM MANDIR GURUDWARA MEIN . What is the difference between dharam
mandir and gurudwara. Regards. Kulbir.
On 7/1/09, maneshwar singh kondal <
mskondal@yahoo. com> wrote:
> dear kulbir ji,
> you are true what you have said and i do agree with
> it but again it depends on that how you attain education. any vidya or
> education learned by self i mean to say not under the guidence of guru leads
> the disciple to proudness{ahakar} and education learned under the guidence
> of the guru leads the disciple to higher ends of life and down to earth
> tendecy and disciple gets blessed too and further more doors are opened for
> higher learning otherwise apne aap vidya pad k ahankaar yukt ho kar
> vidyaarthi bhatakna mein phas jata hain.
>
> there
> is a classic reference from ancient granths and that is the conversation
> between rishiudalik and his son shwetketu.in which shwetketu after learning
> all the vedas ,and other granths from the age of twelve to twenty four years
> return home and very proudly says to his father on returning that i have
> learnt all the vedas and different scriptures and i am fully versed in
> them,you ask me anything i will answer and at that very moment his father
> said
> that have you learnt that education or vidya with which one is able to learn
> all the things.nothing is left to be learnt.one becomes to hear the
> unhearble also and after knowing which nothing is left to learn .and it is
> in scriptures that at that very moment the son realised that what sort of
> mistake he has done and at that very moment he bowed in front of his father
> and tells him to become his guru and give him the said education.it is worth
> reading the conversation between the father and son .
>
> whenever we will meet i will narrate u the whole in detail and we can
> discuss openly.its a long conversation but full of knowledge.there are
> always lots and lots of schools each and every school differs in its
> thoughts but their prime moto is to help the humanity instead of only self
> .but that is the best in which one helps humanity also and on the same hand
> leads himself also to higher spiritual plane .
>
> Regards
> MS KONDAL
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: kulbir bance <
kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
> To:
astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 7:02:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Why study Astrology?
>
> Respected Kondal Sahib, the first day i went to astrology class the
> teacher there gave a lecture. A person went to lord Buddha and
> requested that he had some questions to ask. Lord Buddha said i will
> answer all ur questions but before that u will have to live here in
> the sangh for one whole year. I will impose no conditions, do whatever
> u like but take care not to disturb others. He agreed, lived there,
> heard lords discourses. After one year lord called him and asked. Now
> ask whatever questions u have. The person with folded hands said
> "saare prashan hi gir gaye ab poochne ko kuch raha hi nahin" so is the
> case with lalkitab. All it requires patience and faith, then all
> questions drop slowly. What can be more spiritual than this. Regards.
> Kulbir.
>
> On 7/1/09, maneshwar singh kondal <
mskondal@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>
>> dated:1-7-2009
>> dear kulbir ji,
>> very well said blessed persons like pundit jee never
>> feel any binding in giving or distributing knowledge and they find no
>> difference in humanity.
>>
>> Gurus work is to open the knot rightly and forever.
>>
>> when ever something good is written or explored in that case it is done
>> for
>> the whole mankind by the holy persons and such blessed like pundit ji are
>> always free of bondages and the clutches of getting fame and praise for
>> whatever they have done or are doing ,they are the trend setters .
>> already mentioned any dignity or any good soul rather i will say blessed
>> soul wont feel any bondages or bindings on giving and sharing whatever he
>> or
>> she has experienced or learned in his life.
>> no one can impose
>> anything on anybody it is everyones free will whether to accept or reject
>> the proposal but if there is pure truth in the saying or teaching whatever
>> is said no one can deny it because that saying will reflect in one or
>> another manner in your life and you have to accept it.
>>
>> i think all might be thinking that in this topic we till date havent
>> discussed anything on remedial measure or astrological part but let me
>> tell
>> you this topic is really necessary to be discussed prior to all,because
>> astrology itself is full of how,what, when,why and many more questions and
>> anyone whosoever want to read or study astrology ,for him the foremost
>> question for him would arise that for what he is learning astrology?
>>
>> is he learning astrology for himself?
>> or learning to get rid of self problems.u might have seen
>> that most of the people who are astrologers these days ,had gone through
>> really tough time in their past and decided to learn it.
>> or told to do so because of their family tradition as is
>> done in pundits families,family tradition.
>> or person really want to serve the humanity selflessly
>> like
>> pundit jee.
>> or to make money as these days lot of people think that
>> astrology is a very good tool for making money.
>> in all i would like to say that it depends on
>> us that how do we see to get ourself attached with the learning.from that
>> very starting point our intentions and further results of outcomings could
>> be derived eithr positive or negative outcome.
>>
>> it is rightly said
>>
>> " nazraein badli to nazare badal gaye
>> kishti badli to kinare badal gaye."
>>
>> our senior Sh. Yograjji has written very nicely
>> what he has felt and observed by being a witness and has expressed his
>> feelings on the ongoing discussion.i am slow in writing.i would preffer to
>> have discussion by sitting face to face with each other because there are
>> too many things which we can discuss easily and fluently and that too in
>> big
>> numbers but when it comes to writing person like me fells handicaped.
>>
>> otherwise i know this topic will make every one to think atleast once that
>> what is their soul purpose of learning or study astrology?
>>
>> Regards,
>> MS KONDAL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>> From: kulbir bance <
kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>> To:
astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com>> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 10:44:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Why study Astrology?
>>
>> Guruji, what pt ji has written in lalkitab and what his contemporaries
>> say about his life style clearly shows that pt ji was a very broad
>> minded person. He has clearly written in SARSARI NOTE what is required
>> to understand this book. Some extra tools can make the job easier e.g.
>> Pt ji did the calculation part manually but now softwares are used.
>> Guru may be helpful in that sense but the guru should not be such as
>> he binds the subject. Pt ji was open minded to such an extent that he
>> laid great stress on purani rasme, kul purohit etc. He hinself didn't
>> wanted to be a guru. He gave whatever he had without any bondages.
>> Reccommending something that might be helpful but Imposing is not
>> right. Regards. Kulbir.
>>
>> On 6/30/09, Yograj Prabhakar <
yr_prabhakar@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Dear Kulbir ji
>>>
>>> First of all, I strongly object to the conspiracy initiated by you and
>>> Jitin
>>> against me to deprive me of the title "The Dumbest". Mind you, I am the
>>> most
>>> eligible person for this title in the field of Lal Kitab.
>>>
>>> Since I have nothing to do with this spirituality thing, I am unable to
>>> comment on that. But "je ghoDi chaDhaya nee – taan chaDhdey taan batherey
>>> dekhey hi ney. So I would humbly like to convey to my learned colleagues
>>> in
>>> the forum that in my view spirituality in not like boasting of "having"
>>> something special, rather it's a process of becoming the absolute ZERO.
>>> I
>>> believe that this Zero status can be achieved without possessing anything
>>> special, but an open mind. I know many such people who are living in
>>> this
>>> materialistic world but still possess the high degree of this quality.
>>>
>>> Now, a few words about Guru. My dear friends, a Guru is not necessarily
>>> a
>>> human being. An ideology, an idea, a theory, even a good saying can be
>>> one's
>>> Guru. Moreover in my personal humble opinion, those whom Pundit jee has
>>> selected to spread the knowledge of divine Lal Kitab, those who are
>>> fortunate enough to touch these sacred scriptures, do not require any
>>> other
>>> Guru or Sad-Guru for the matter, or did they?
>>>
>>> I don't know what the spirituality or Guru means to others. But I expect
>>> every true Lal kitab student to be a broad minded like Pundit jee and
>>> always
>>> ready to share. I hate the tendency of "chunj Dubowan – par lukowan"
>>> adopted
>>> by some of our exalted colleagues. No one should feel himself free of his
>>> sacred duties after writing a few mails in the group, it is a perpetual
>>> process and everybody has to work hard to complete the task assigned by
>>> Pundit jee. So my dear friends, no half measure will do. Further
>>> propagation
>>> of such fatal tendencies will lead us to nowhere.
>>>
>>> I read all the beautiful posts, and the following is my observation:
>>>
>>> (1). whatever Mr Sumit has written, reflects whatever he has been
>>> "Taught".
>>> (2). whatever Mr Jitin has expressed, indicates whatever he has
>>> "Learned".
>>> (3). whatever Mr Kulbir has written, clearly shows whatever he has
>>> "Learned
>>> and experienced" .
>>> (4). Whatever Acharya MS Kondal sahib has written is the part and parcel
>>> of
>>> his "Basic training".
>>> (5). and whatever I have expressed in the above lines is, whatever I
>>> "felt".
>>>
>>> I will share those interesting fables on an appropriate time as desired
>>> by
>>> you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely
>>> Yograj Prabhakar
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In
astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ ...>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Syal ji, i am the dumbest, don't have a Satguru so i know totally
>>>> nothing about Sumeet ji's method but it has an appeal moresoever when
>>>> Kondal Sahib's endorses. U asked Where to sign for sure shot remedies?
>>>> I can only share my practical experience. Remedial portion involves an
>>>> extra dimension. Prabhakar ji is a guru. He explained this dimension
>>>> by telling a mythological story of Ek Pathi Ek Munda. These fables
>>>> might not have actually happenned but the essence is a saar of
>>>> observation of thousands of years which the seers observed. I come
>>>> from a rural background so i understood it in punjabi. I don't have
>>>> any forbiddance from his side to hide anything that i got from him.
>>>> But i would like him to translate it and send it in english also the
>>>> story of Buggla phadna and Syani Jethani Kamali Dewarani. Because
>>>> translation by 2nd person is not that effective. If he refuses then i
>>>> will do so without even asking for his permission. Let me explain the
>>>> reason for this also Lord Buddha prophecised that he will be
>>>> reincarnated in our/this present time by the name of MAITRAY people
>>>> are waiting for him. Some spiritual sects even experimented to bring
>>>> his soul in a body. Even a young boy (J Krishnamurthy' s elder brother)
>>>> died in this process. BUT WHAT LORD BUDDHA MEANT TO CONVEY TO HIS
>>>> DISCIPLES WAS THAT GURU IN THESE TIMES WILL BE A FRIEND this is actual
>>>> meaning that he conveyed by MAITRAY. So Prabhakar ji and Senior
>>>> members of this and other lalkitab groups are like maitray guru to me.
>>>> Prabhakar ji being one of those with whom i quarrell with, abuse him,
>>>> yet i recieve his blessings his doors are always open knowing very
>>>> well what guru dakshina i have to offer. So i request him to tell
>>>> himself these in larger interest. Otherwise i am always at ur service.
>>>> Regards . Kulbir.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/27/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@ ...> wrote:
>>>> > Kulbir ji,
>>>> > I don't know sumit ji and his caliber and neither do i doubt it. i
>>>> > just
>>>> > know
>>>> > one thing i am probably the dumbest student in this group and nowhere
>>>> > near
>>>> > as any one else here.
>>>> > but don't you think he needs to know the true meaning of life before
>>>> > touching/ "being one" with god?
>>>> >
>>>> > He is saying that "naam-jaap" is the only true way to success,if
>>>> > that's
>>>> > the
>>>> > case........ .... where do i sign?
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards
>>>> > Jitin Syal
>>>> >
>>>> > --- In
astrostudents@ yahoogroups.. com, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Syal ji, u r right, two concepts should be clear 1. Meaning of
>>>> >> success
>>>> >> 2. Explanation about the methodology.
. Lets hope Sumeet ji explains.
>>>> >> His explanation of horoscope matching is simply amazing. It shows
>>>> >> that
>>>> >> he has a very high calibre. He writes 81 in his id. As per my
>>>> >> assumption if that is his birth year then such knowledge at this age
>>>> >> is a karishma. He indeed is a blessed soul. Regards. Kulbir.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 6/26/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:
>>>> >> > Kulbir paaji,
>>>> >> > I always feel that we(humans) are here to balance our negative,
>>>> >> > positives
>>>> >> > from previous births. if someone doesn't have something in this
>>>> >> > world
>>>> >> > he
>>>> >> > is
>>>> >> > just paying for his sins or vice versa. Even Pt. ji has left the
>>>> >> > "greh
>>>> >> > phal"
>>>> >> > planets untouched as somethings can't be changed.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I totally agree that, any unnecessary intervention with Almighty's
>>>> >> > plan
>>>> >> > WILL
>>>> >> > backfire, hence my point was to ask sumit ji to elaborate their
>>>> >> > option/way
>>>> >> > one where he has predicted a "sure shot" at success.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > yours sincerely
>>>> >> > Jitin Syal
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Syal ji, sumeet ji will answer ur querry. I would like to share a
>>>> >> >> fact. After world war the ratio of male child increased
>>>> >> >> dramatically
>>>> >> >> as compared to female child. 1600 : 1000. Secondly determination
>>>> >> >> of
>>>> >> >> gender at conception has parameters that are generally beyond
>>>> >> >> human
>>>> >> >> control. But still nature has maintained the balance that life
>>>> >> >> goes
>>>> >> >> on. Imagind a scenario if only male or only female child continued
>>>> >> >> say
>>>> >> >> for even a century. But it has not happenned. Why? There is a
>>>> >> >> divine
>>>> >> >> scheme, jyotish is a tool to understand it. This divine scheme and
>>>> >> >> individual interests creat a confusion. Upaya may be suggessted
>>>> >> >> but
>>>> >> >> the upayagar should have knowledge of the divine scheme.
>>>> >> >> Unneccessary
>>>> >> >> intervention will not yield results in the first place and if does
>>>> >> >> somebody is going to pay for it. Written very clearly in lalkitab.
>>>> >> >> Guru is a kind of superimposition on a person's mind to keep him
>>>> >> >> ever
>>>> >> >> alert. Regards. Kulbir.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On 6/25/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote:
>>>> >> >> > Sumit ji,
>>>> >> >> > Are you saying that option one is a gauranteed success/remedial
>>>> >> >> > measure
>>>> >> >> > without any risk of "backfire" or loss of spirituality? ?
>>>> >> >> > if so, please elaborate further.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > Regards
>>>> >> >> > Jitin Syal
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, "sumitbansal_ 81"
>>>> >> >> > <sumitbansal_ 81@>
>>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> Respected All,
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> It is indeed a pleasure in itself to see and read such a
>>>> >> >> >> beautiful
>>>> >> >> >> topic
>>>> >> >> >> related to Astrology which clearly outlines the true nature and
>>>> >> >> >> objective
>>>> >> >> >> of Astrology. Kondalji has given us a marvelous insight in the
>>>> >> >> >> basic
>>>> >> >> >> idea
>>>> >> >> >> towards the mere existance of the Jyotish Shastra. It is righly
>>>> >> >> >> said
>>>> >> >> >> that
>>>> >> >> >> Jyotish is the "ISHVARIYA JYOTI" and is a guiding light of each
>>>> >> >> >> and
>>>> >> >> >> every
>>>> >> >> >> human being towards achieving the "Ultimate Goal" - to become
>>>> >> >> >> "One"
>>>> >> >> >> with
>>>> >> >> >> the GOD by providing the means to initiate the purification
>>>> >> >> >> process
>>>> >> >> >> of
>>>> >> >> >> "Chitt" and "Mann".
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> However, even when there are millions of human beings taking
>>>> >> >> >> birth
>>>> >> >> >> on
>>>> >> >> >> this
>>>> >> >> >> planet earth, not even one percent of them ever think about the
>>>> >> >> >> reason
>>>> >> >> >> as
>>>> >> >> >> why are they born and what is the specific task assigned to
>>>> >> >> >> them
>>>> >> >> >> by
>>>> >> >> >> that
>>>> >> >> >> one Supreme God and which is the specific path, he/she has to
>>>> >> >> >> tread
>>>> >> >> >> in
>>>> >> >> >> order to achieve or fulfill that specific task?
>>>> >> >> >> And the saddest part of the story is that by the time one
>>>> >> >> >> realizes
>>>> >> >> >> the
>>>> >> >> >> need and authenticity of these questions, there is not enough
>>>> >> >> >> time
>>>> >> >> >> left
>>>> >> >> >> for him to achieve the set goal. A very famous Bollywood Song
>>>> >> >> >> has
>>>> >> >> >> rightly
>>>> >> >> >> described this situaltion in the following lines:
>>>> >> >> >> "Ladakpan Khel Mein Khoya,
>>>> >> >> >> Jawaani Neend Bhar Soya,
>>>> >> >> >> Burhahpa Dekh Kar Roya,
>>>> >> >> >> Yehi Kissa Puraana Hai."
>>>> >> >> >> But Jyoish is that devine light which can help an individual by
>>>> >> >> >> breaking
>>>> >> >> >> the spell of his slumber just as the light of the morning sun
>>>> >> >> >> awakes
>>>> >> >> >> a
>>>> >> >> >> sleeping person.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> Spiritualism oozes from each and every aspect of Jyotish
>>>> >> >> >> Shastra.
>>>> >> >> >> The
>>>> >> >> >> only
>>>> >> >> >> consideration is the "View Point" or "Nazar" by which anyone
>>>> >> >> >> looks
>>>> >> >> >> at
>>>> >> >> >> it.
>>>> >> >> >> To illustrate, I can provide a very simple example of
>>>> >> >> >> "Horoscope
>>>> >> >> >> Matching".
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> Every human being has some kind of desire(s) present in his
>>>> >> >> >> heart
>>>> >> >> >> and
>>>> >> >> >> these desires then lead to the formation of "Aasha" and
>>>> >> >> >> "Trishna".
>>>> >> >> >> This
>>>> >> >> >> in
>>>> >> >> >> turn leads to the creation of the "Karma" which ultimately
>>>> >> >> >> culminate
>>>> >> >> >> in
>>>> >> >> >> the formation of "Paap" and "Punya". These Paap and Punya are
>>>> >> >> >> the
>>>> >> >> >> deciding
>>>> >> >> >> factors of the type and quality of the next life which this
>>>> >> >> >> jeevatma
>>>> >> >> >> has
>>>> >> >> >> to undergo.
>>>> >> >> >> Now the ultimate Goal of any individual is to become one with
>>>> >> >> >> GOD
>>>> >> >> >> or
>>>> >> >> >> to
>>>> >> >> >> attain the state of "Adwait" and this can only be done by the
>>>> >> >> >> purification
>>>> >> >> >> of "Chitt" and "Mann" which can be attained by the purification
>>>> >> >> >> of
>>>> >> >> >> "Karma"
>>>> >> >> >> and this is the exact point where Jyotish comes into play.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> Anyone can Purify the Karmas in Two Ways, either using both or
>>>> >> >> >> any
>>>> >> >> >> one
>>>> >> >> >> of
>>>> >> >> >> the two. And the two ways are:
>>>> >> >> >> 1. Naam Jaap - where the "Naam" is given by a "Sat-Guru"
>>>> >> >> >> and
>>>> >> >> >> the
>>>> >> >> >> "Sat-Guru" himself is guiding the person.
>>>> >> >> >> 2. Dividing or Cutting his Atma into few smaller pieces and
>>>> >> >> >> then
>>>> >> >> >> purifying them one by one.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> "YES, ATMA CAN ALSO BE CUT." and this is the ultimate truth of
>>>> >> >> >> the
>>>> >> >> >> spirituality which if understood properly, will describe as how
>>>> >> >> >> the
>>>> >> >> >> GOD
>>>> >> >> >> is
>>>> >> >> >> keeping himself alive or "Amar". I cannot describe more here
>>>> >> >> >> due
>>>> >> >> >> to
>>>> >> >> >> "Guru
>>>> >> >> >> Agya" but, the only hint I can give is that a "Sperm" or "Beej"
>>>> >> >> >> created
>>>> >> >> >> inside the human body is as much living as we are and we all
>>>> >> >> >> are
>>>> >> >> >> made
>>>> >> >> >> from
>>>> >> >> >> this "Sperm" and we all have atma. Female Egg can only provide
>>>> >> >> >> the
>>>> >> >> >> breeding ground for this so called "Beej" but, cannot impart
>>>> >> >> >> the
>>>> >> >> >> "Atma"
>>>> >> >> >> in
>>>> >> >> >> the "Beej". So, where does this "Atma" comes into the "Beej"
>>>> >> >> >> ????
>>>> >> >> >> Yes,
>>>> >> >> >> you
>>>> >> >> >> guessed it right, it is the "Ansh" of our own "Atma". And in
>>>> >> >> >> this
>>>> >> >> >> particular sense, each Father is just like "Param-Atma" to his
>>>> >> >> >> offspring.
>>>> >> >> >> So, it is the atma of the Father which is cut into pieces
>>>> >> >> >> everytime
>>>> >> >> >> sperms
>>>> >> >> >> leaves his body. "No further explanation on this part can be
>>>> >> >> >> given
>>>> >> >> >> here
>>>> >> >> >> due to the sensitivity of the topic"
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> Now, if you are using the option "One" only then it is "Okay"
>>>> >> >> >> in
>>>> >> >> >> all
>>>> >> >> >> sense. However, if you are using the Option "Two" or "Both the
>>>> >> >> >> options",
>>>> >> >> >> then there is a catch that the "Ansh" or "Beej of your Atma"
>>>> >> >> >> might
>>>> >> >> >> not
>>>> >> >> >> get
>>>> >> >> >> a proper breeding ground which might result into creation of
>>>> >> >> >> more
>>>> >> >> >> desire
>>>> >> >> >> in the Beej due to lack of the proper "Nutrients" which a Beej
>>>> >> >> >> might
>>>> >> >> >> take
>>>> >> >> >> from Mother which will again create "Aasha" and "Trishna" and
>>>> >> >> >> so
>>>> >> >> >> on
>>>> >> >> >> to
>>>> >> >> >> "Paap" and "Punya". And if this happens, then, the Beej again
>>>> >> >> >> has
>>>> >> >> >> to
>>>> >> >> >> go
>>>> >> >> >> through the complete cycle of "Chauraasi".
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> As explained above, the so called "Nutrients" are nothing but
>>>> >> >> >> the
>>>> >> >> >> "Guna"
>>>> >> >> >> of the Mother and the "Actual Requirement of the Beej" is the
>>>> >> >> >> "Guna"
>>>> >> >> >> of
>>>> >> >> >> the Father. So, if there is a mismatch between the two, then
>>>> >> >> >> the
>>>> >> >> >> Option
>>>> >> >> >> Two is bound to fail which will create more distress in the
>>>> >> >> >> human
>>>> >> >> >> society.
>>>> >> >> >> AND TO BE HONEST, OPTION TWO IS THE ONE WHICH IS BEING USED IN
>>>> >> >> >> A
>>>> >> >> >> VERY
>>>> >> >> >> VERY
>>>> >> >> >> VERY LARGE PROPORTION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE ACTUAL TRUTH
>>>> >> >> >> BEHIND
>>>> >> >> >> THE
>>>> >> >> >> USE OF THIS OPTION. AND ONLY JYOTISH IS CAPABLE OF RECTIFYING
>>>> >> >> >> THIS
>>>> >> >> >> MISTAKE
>>>> >> >> >> OF MAN AND SHOWING AS HOW TO BEGET WORTHY CHILDREN BY PROPER
>>>> >> >> >> MATCHING
>>>> >> >> >> OF
>>>> >> >> >> SOIL AND SEED.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> This clearly shows the Criticality as why Horoscope Matching is
>>>> >> >> >> so
>>>> >> >> >> important and the undefiable relationship between Jyotish and
>>>> >> >> >> Aadhyatam.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> In the end I can only say that Option One is the only True
>>>> >> >> >> Option
>>>> >> >> >> as
>>>> >> >> >> Option Two is just like using a shortcut which has the
>>>> >> >> >> reputation
>>>> >> >> >> of
>>>> >> >> >> "Backfiring Percentage" set at 99.99% as the Jyotish Shastra is
>>>> >> >> >> not
>>>> >> >> >> being
>>>> >> >> >> used as required. No one literally know as how to implement the
>>>> >> >> >> jyotish
>>>> >> >> >> shastra. All just know one thing and that is how to do the upai
>>>> >> >> >> and
>>>> >> >> >> that
>>>> >> >> >> also incorrect. If you are playing with gun loaded bullets, and
>>>> >> >> >> you
>>>> >> >> >> don't
>>>> >> >> >> know how to use the gun properly, then at least cover yourself
>>>> >> >> >> with
>>>> >> >> >> a
>>>> >> >> >> bulletproof dress first. Providing or telling Upai of something
>>>> >> >> >> so
>>>> >> >> >> much
>>>> >> >> >> spiritual will only erode you spiritually unless and untill you
>>>> >> >> >> have
>>>> >> >> >> the
>>>> >> >> >> required "Guru Kripa".
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> I tender my apologies for being rude or harsh. My purpose of
>>>> >> >> >> writing
>>>> >> >> >> this
>>>> >> >> >> was not to offend anyone but to provide the exact scenario as
>>>> >> >> >> what
>>>> >> >> >> is
>>>> >> >> >> being done and what could it lead to.. If I have hurt the
>>>> >> >> >> feelings
>>>> >> >> >> of
>>>> >> >> >> anyone, then please ask yourself, "Do you really have the
>>>> >> >> >> required
>>>> >> >> >> Bullet-Proof Suite?" You will get the answer yourself. The
>>>> >> >> >> Supreme
>>>> >> >> >> God
>>>> >> >> >> speakes from the very inside of your "Chitt" or "Ghat-Mandir" .
>>>> >> >> >> Listen
>>>> >> >> >> to
>>>> >> >> >> him and you will get the answer.....
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> Whatever I have learned from my revered Guruji is as under:
>>>> >> >> >> "Guru Kripa Se Hai Mila,
>>>> >> >> >> Jiska Naam Sunaam.
>>>> >> >> >> Ghat Ghat Mein Bole Jo Sabke,
>>>> >> >> >> Hai Woh Atma Ram."
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> Regards,
>>>> >> >> >> Sumit Bansal.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, maneshwar singh kondal
>>>> >> >> >> <mskondal@>
>>>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > date:18-6-2009
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > hello kulbir ji,
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > first of
>>>> >> >> >> > all let me thank u for discussing such a vital point in
>>>> >> >> >> > astrology
>>>> >> >> >> > or
>>>> >> >> >> > everybody life that why and for what we are doing any job as
>>>> >> >> >> > quoted
>>>> >> >> >> > by
>>>> >> >> >> > u that why we are using or doing astrology.this is a very
>>>> >> >> >> > crucial
>>>> >> >> >> > point
>>>> >> >> >> > and i will try to contribute from myside what ever i know
>>>> >> >> >> > openly
>>>> >> >> >> > and
>>>> >> >> >> > would like everybody to share their views on this topic
>>>> >> >> >> > because
>>>> >> >> >> > this
>>>> >> >> >> > is
>>>> >> >> >> > directly related to our spiritual enlightenment and getting
>>>> >> >> >> > in
>>>> >> >> >> > touch
>>>> >> >> >> > with god.this topic is never ending and i request all members
>>>> >> >> >> > to
>>>> >> >> >> > keep
>>>> >> >> >> > on writing their true experiences and findings regarding
>>>> >> >> >> > spiritual
>>>> >> >> >> > and
>>>> >> >> >> > worldly astrology and try to differentiate between the two.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > as kulbir ji has quoted from osho's book the words
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > jyotish
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > sampooranta
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > ekta
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > advait
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > all these words are self explanatry
>>>> >> >> >> > but if we start explaining them then we will become short of
>>>> >> >> >> > words
>>>> >> >> >> > but
>>>> >> >> >> > i would say that if we compile all these in one word we can
>>>> >> >> >> > say
>>>> >> >> >> > these
>>>> >> >> >> > are the qualities of one and only one supreme and that is the
>>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE
>>>> >> >> >> > GOD.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > ACTUALLY WE ARE THE JEEVATMAS AND
>>>> >> >> >> > ARE PART OF THE SUPREME LORD AND DUE TO VARIOUS JANAMAS AND
>>>> >> >> >> > BIRTHS
>>>> >> >> >> > LOT
>>>> >> >> >> > OF MISCONCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN ENGRAVED IN OUR MINDS AND BECAUSE
>>>> >> >> >> > OF
>>>> >> >> >> > OUR
>>>> >> >> >> > SANCHIT KARMAS AND DUE TO PRARABDH WE ARE GETTING BIRTHS
>>>> >> >> >> > AGAIN
>>>> >> >> >> > AND
>>>> >> >> >> > AGAIN AND GETTING DETACHED FROM THE SUPREME DAY BY DAY TO
>>>> >> >> >> > FULFIL
>>>> >> >> >> > OUR
>>>> >> >> >> > WORLDLY DEEDS,WHICH ULTIMATELY LAND US NOWHERE ELSE THAN
>>>> >> >> >> > REBIRTH
>>>> >> >> >> > TO
>>>> >> >> >> > FULFIL OUR DESIRES AND WE GET USED TO THE RE BIRTH CYCLE AND
>>>> >> >> >> > CARRY
>>>> >> >> >> > ON
>>>> >> >> >> > AND FORGET OUR TRUE HOME THAT IS NONE OTHER THAN THE SUPREME
>>>> >> >> >> > FATHER
>>>> >> >> >> > GOD.BUT
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > REMEBER ONE THING
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > HE WHO GIVES ,GIVES,GIVES, GIVES.... ...... AND FORGIVES IS
>>>> >> >> >> > GOD
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > AND
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > WHO GETS, GETS, GETS, GETS........ ..... AND FORGETS
>>>> >> >> >> > IS
>>>> >> >> >> > HUMAN
>>>> >> >> >> > BEING
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > THIS IS THE NATURE OF GOD
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > BUT THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF HIS
>>>> >> >> >> > FORGIVING NATURE BY DEFAULT THE SUPREME HAS PROGRAMMED EACH
>>>> >> >> >> > AND
>>>> >> >> >> > EVERY
>>>> >> >> >> > HUMAN MIND TO THINK OF ITSELF FOR THE ACTUAL TRUTH THAT WHY
>>>> >> >> >> > HE
>>>> >> >> >> > IS
>>>> >> >> >> > ON
>>>> >> >> >> > THIS EARTH?WHY HE IS BORN,WHAT HE HAS TO DO,IS HE HERE FOR
>>>> >> >> >> > MAKING
>>>> >> >> >> > MONEY
>>>> >> >> >> > OR IS HE HERE TO ENJOY WOMEN OR IS HE HERE TO FOOL OTHERS OR
>>>> >> >> >> > IS
>>>> >> >> >> > HE
>>>> >> >> >> > HERE
>>>> >> >> >> > TO MAKE PROPERTY?
>>>> >> >> >> > AND MANY MANY OTHER QUESTIONS, EVERY HUMAN THINKS IN HIS MIND
>>>> >> >> >> > SOME
>>>> >> >> >> > DAY
>>>> >> >> >> > SOME TIME .
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > THOSE R LUCKY WHO THINK AT EARLY
>>>> >> >> >> > STAGE OF LIFE AND MANY THINK AT LATER AGE BUT ALL OF THEM TRY
>>>> >> >> >> > TO
>>>> >> >> >> > UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL THING AND SOME R ABLE TO GET ANSWERS
>>>> >> >> >> > BUT
>>>> >> >> >> > THEY
>>>> >> >> >> > DONT HAVE THE TIME TO USE IT PRACTICALLY BECAUSE LIFE IS TOO
>>>> >> >> >> > SHORT.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > SO JYOTISH MEANS ISHVARIYA JYOTI AND EVERYBODY IS
>>>> >> >> >> > HAVING
>>>> >> >> >> > A
>>>> >> >> >> > PART OF IT BUT HOW MANY HAVE REALISED IT?
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > SAMPOORANTA MEANS WHO HAS MASTERD THE ALL
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > EKTA MEANS ONENESS
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > ADWAIT AGAIN THE
>>>> >> >> >> > PERSON WHO HAS RAISED ABOVE FROM THE DVAIT BHAV THAT MEANS
>>>> >> >> >> > HE
>>>> >> >> >> > HAS
>>>> >> >> >> > NO
>>>> >> >> >> > DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
>>>> >> >> >> > T
>>>> >> >> >> > - HE TWO. MEANS JO DO SE EK ROOP
>>>> >> >> >> > HO
>>>> >> >> >> > JAYE
>>>> >> >> >> > .
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > AS I SAID IT IS JUST A START I DONT
>>>> >> >> >> > KNOW WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ,BUT THIS IS THE TOPIC WHICH IS
>>>> >> >> >> > ATTACHED
>>>> >> >> >> > WITH
>>>> >> >> >> > EVERY BODY LIFE SO KEEP ON DISCUSSING IT .PRADEEP SHARMA JI
>>>> >> >> >> > WAS
>>>> >> >> >> > TELLING
>>>> >> >> >> > ME MOST OF THE TIMES THAT I SHOULD START SUCH A TOPIC BUT I
>>>> >> >> >> > WAS
>>>> >> >> >> > WAITING
>>>> >> >> >> > REALLY FOR THE DAY, THAT THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN SOME ONE
>>>> >> >> >> > WILL
>>>> >> >> >> > COME
>>>> >> >> >> > OUT OF SO MANY LEARNED PEOPLE AND WILL ASK FOR THE TRUE
>>>> >> >> >> > MEANING
>>>> >> >> >> > OF
>>>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY.YET I HAVE NOT WRITTEN MUCH BUT I WILL LOVE TO
>>>> >> >> >> > WRITE
>>>> >> >> >> > MORE
>>>> >> >> >> > BECAUSE THIS IS THE QUESTION RELATED TO OUR TRUE SELF AND IT
>>>> >> >> >> > IS
>>>> >> >> >> > MY
>>>> >> >> >> > FOREMOST DUTY TO ANSWER AND WILL TRY TO TELL WHAT I
>>>> >> >> >> > EXPERIENCED
>>>> >> >> >> > AND
>>>> >> >> >> > WILL LEARN FROM ALL MY SENIORS AND COLLEAGUES WHO R REALLY
>>>> >> >> >> > DESPERATELY
>>>> >> >> >> > AND SINCERELY FINDING LOTS AND LOTS OF THINGS BY MEANS OF
>>>> >> >> >> > ASTROLOGY
>>>> >> >> >> > TO
>>>> >> >> >> > GIVE BENEFITS TO THE SOCIETY
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > THERE IS A GURUBANI QUOTE BHAYI PRAPAT MANUKH DEOHRIA
>>>> >> >> >> > GOBIND
>>>> >> >> >> > MILAN KI EHO TERI BARIYA
>>>> >> >> >> > AVAR
>>>> >> >> >> > KAAJ
>>>> >> >> >> > TERE
>>>> >> >> >> > KITE NAA KAAM MIL SAADH SANGAT BHAJ KEVAL NAAM
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > MEANS: FOR WHAT U HAVE GOT
>>>> >> >> >> > BIRTH
>>>> >> >> >> > ON
>>>> >> >> >> > THIS UNIVERSE? U HAVE GOT THIS HUMAN BODY TO MEET THE SUPREME
>>>> >> >> >> > THE
>>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND THAT TOO U CAN DO WITHIN THIS HUMAN BIRTH
>>>> >> >> >> > ONLY,YOUR
>>>> >> >> >> > ALL
>>>> >> >> >> > OTHER DEEDS WONT GIVE U ANYTHING AT ALL,ONLY AND ONLY
>>>> >> >> >> > RECITATION
>>>> >> >> >> > OF
>>>> >> >> >> > THE
>>>> >> >> >> > ULTIMATE AND GETTING UNITED WITH IT IS YOUR GOAL.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > in the last i would say, by the help
>>>> >> >> >> > of astrology everybody should try to find the sins or the
>>>> >> >> >> > sanchit
>>>> >> >> >> > karmas by means of planets and try to get rid of their
>>>> >> >> >> > influences
>>>> >> >> >> > by
>>>> >> >> >> > jap daan homas and sewa and many other means but should do
>>>> >> >> >> > these
>>>> >> >> >> > things
>>>> >> >> >> > sincerely and with a fear in mind that i have to get out of
>>>> >> >> >> > this
>>>> >> >> >> > cycle
>>>> >> >> >> > or any bad habit which i am having because of the planets bad
>>>> >> >> >> > influence, because of sanchit karmas.so we r here to get
>>>> >> >> >> > lessons
>>>> >> >> >> > from
>>>> >> >> >> > our previous births and lead a new life in this birth with
>>>> >> >> >> > the
>>>> >> >> >> > help
>>>> >> >> >> > of
>>>> >> >> >> > astrology by trying to rectifying our bad vices and lusts for
>>>> >> >> >> > life
>>>> >> >> >> > and
>>>> >> >> >> > try to become detached from worldly deeds.sorry everybody if
>>>> >> >> >> > i
>>>> >> >> >> > had
>>>> >> >> >> > written anything wrong and ever hurt any body sentiments.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > Regards
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > MS KONDAL
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __
>>>> >> >> >> > From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>
>>>> >> >> >> > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
>>>> >> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53:08 AM
>>>> >> >> >> > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Ashok ji; why study astrology?
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > Respected Ashok ji; since the day u asked " why am i
>>>> >> >> >> > interested
>>>> >> >> >> > in
>>>> >> >> >> > study of astrology" i was looking for an answer. I read
>>>> >> >> >> > Osho's
>>>> >> >> >> > article
>>>> >> >> >> > on astrology he writes " JYOTISH SAMPOORANTA, EAKTA AUR
>>>> >> >> >> > ADVAIT
>>>> >> >> >> > KA
>>>> >> >> >> > VIGYAN HAI". Regards. Kulbir.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> > > Kulbir Ji,
>>>> >> >> >> > > Thanks a lots.
>>>> >> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> >> > > Best of regards
>>>> >> >> >> > > Ashok Singh
>>>> >> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> >> > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>>>> >> >> >> > > wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> >> > > From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>>>> >> >> >> > > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW
>>>> >> >> >> > > MUCH
>>>> >> >> >> > > ??
>>>> >> >> >> > > )
>>>> >> >> >> > > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
>>>> >> >> >> > > Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:36 AM
>>>> >> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> >> > > Ashok ji, page 155-157 of 1952 part 3 uploaded by Nirmal ji
>>>> >> >> >> > > ....
>>>> >> >> >> > > SEHAT, BIMARI, NAFA, NUKSAAN, FATEH, SHIKASAT (these words
>>>> >> >> >> > > include
>>>> >> >> >> > > all
>>>> >> >> >> > > of ur querries) har do pehlu ke liye yahi asool honge. This
>>>> >> >> >> > > line
>>>> >> >> >> > > is
>>>> >> >> >> > > 2nd line under subhead BIMAARI on page 155 as ref. above.
>>>> >> >> >> > > But
>>>> >> >> >> > > my
>>>> >> >> >> > > friend this is not all inclusive. e.g. Bimari of aathraa is
>>>> >> >> >> > > explained
>>>> >> >> >> > > in farmaan no. 161 1939 volume. Go in for short cuts only
>>>> >> >> >> > > in
>>>> >> >> >> > > desperate
>>>> >> >> >> > > situation. For study and research follow guidelines given
>>>> >> >> >> > > by
>>>> >> >> >> > > pt.
>>>> >> >> >> > > Ji
>>>> >> >> >> > > in
>>>> >> >> >> > > SARSARI NOTE Regards. Kulbir.
>>>> >> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> >> > > On 6/15/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> > >> Kulbir Ji,
>>>> >> >> >> > >> Thanks for the reply. If you can write me where in lal
>>>> >> >> >> > >> kitab
>>>> >> >> >> > >> written
>>>> >> >> >> > >> how
>>>> >> >> >> > >> to
>>>> >> >> >> > >> evaluate
>>>> >> >> >> > >> the native range of success, that would be great.
>>>> >> >> >> > >> I am very much interested in the intensity(scale) of
>>>> >> >> >> > >> health,
>>>> >> >> >> > >> success
>>>> >> >> >> > >> or
>>>> >> >> >> > >> failure.
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >> Best regards
>>>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok Singh
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>>>> >> >> >> > >> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >> From: kulbir bance <kulbirbance@ gmail.com>
>>>> >> >> >> > >> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Health, Sucess/Failure (HOW
>>>> >> >> >> > >> MUCH
>>>> >> >> >> > >> ?? )
>>>> >> >> >> > >> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
>>>> >> >> >> > >> Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 12:03 PM
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >> Ashok ji, what u are saying is represented loosely by the
>>>> >> >> >> > >> term
>>>> >> >> >> > >> oxymoron. Secondly health and success may be related
>>>> >> >> >> > >> somehow.
>>>> >> >> >> > >> But
>>>> >> >> >> > >> illness is no deterent to success. Then success in which
>>>> >> >> >> > >> field?
>>>> >> >> >> > >> It
>>>> >> >> >> > >> has
>>>> >> >> >> > >> to be specific. Lastly the dictum that all houses and
>>>> >> >> >> > >> planets
>>>> >> >> >> > >> have
>>>> >> >> >> > >> to
>>>> >> >> >> > >> be considered before reaching a conclusion. This type of
>>>> >> >> >> > >> isolated
>>>> >> >> >> > >> study is against the basic rules of lalkitab. Regards.
>>>> >> >> >> > >> Kulbir.
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >> On 6/12/09, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> > >>> Dear Members,
>>>> >> >> >> > >>> In a horoscope priciple to see health,sucess/ failure is
>>>> >> >> >> > >>> the
>>>> >> >> >> > >>> same.
>>>> >> >> >> > >>> Can we find range of sucess as in Lal kitab written HNo.
>>>> >> >> >> > >>> 10
>>>> >> >> >> > >>> shows
>>>> >> >> >> > >>> the intensity of illiness does it applicable for sucess
>>>> >> >> >> > >>> also.
>>>> >> >> >> > >>> It would be really appreciated.
>>>> >> >> >> > >>> My real goal is to find HOW MUCH i.e. what would be the
>>>> >> >> >> > >>> range
>>>> >> >> >> > >>> of
>>>> >> >> >> > >>> sucess.
>>>> >> >> >> > >>>
>>>> >> >> >> > >>> Thanks
>>>> >> >> >> > >>> Ashok
>>>> >> >> >> > >>>
>>>> >> >> >> > >>>
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