Dear Sukhwinder Ji
The varshphal table as postulated by Sreenadh Ji has been amended solely on the basis of finding "harmonics" based on the house numbers & how they repeat themselves. But, these are not merely numbers. Even if we want to take this table logically as many have pleaded, we have to understand that these are not merely numbers. There are many other considerations which come to my mind:
- These numbers indicate house numbers & these house numbers have their specific characteristics in terms of which planet owns each house.
- Each planet has its "pucca ghar".
- Other factors such as interrelationships between the house numbers.
- Lal Kitab grammer & how each factor affects a horoscope.
- All these factors have to be combined together before a serious attempt can be made to understand the VarshPhal chart.
A comprehensive study has to be made before we can attempt to understand this table in detail. I personally believe that Rajinder Bhatia Ji has raised important points of logic which I have merely expanded based on what I understood. That a mistake in the table exists based on Sreenadh Ji & others not being able to discern a "harmonic", I feel the need to point out two factors:
- The numbers in the VarshPhal table have not changed in subsequent editions of Lal Kitab from the first time they were published.
- The numbers have a definite cyclic pattern for the first house which represents the throne. A complete meaning about the first can be discerned from reading the Lal Kitab. So, Panditjee knew about cycles. What all of us who want to seriously spend our energies & need to pay attention to is how the relationship of subsequent houses with this first house changes as age progresses. Also, why the cyclic repetition of numbers occurs in a specific sequence?
Reading Farmaan No. 13 1952 edition of the Lal Kitab will clarify the matter sufficiently to start a serious attempt at "re-search". But, this will not lead to an invention of something new. It will, however, lead to a better understanding of the Lal Kitab.
I have personally used this table for years & have had no reason to suspect or doubt these tables. They have made perfect sense when used for the seeing the coming year or month or day upto which time I have tested this table & found to be flawless.
If a real defect is pointed out, then it should be supported by factual events from a horoscope as per Lal Kitab principles. This is where the real test should be conducted. As astrologers, let us stick to verifying or debunking principles based on real life cases.
Best regards
Harinder
--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Sukhwinder Jee,
>
> Here we go again with Ms. Priya Bhushan's tactics of continuing to hide behind
> words, cloud the discussion and take it astray to confuse or ignore the
> real issue altogether. If nothing else, the ultimate shield "We of 'Aligarh
> Group*' do this or that .." etc. is her weapon of choice to wrap up any
> discussion. Numerous fake id's start chiming in immediately. I am amused to read
> about the "Aligarh Group" again; old habits haven't died.
> I am sure you were helped by Miss Priya and I am glad for you. Just for your
> information, many people have contacted me (and others) after they were
> nearly undone doing Miss Priya's remedies that are always prescribed without any
> verification.
> Please see my comments in italics.
>
> Respectfully,
> Rajinder Bhatia
>
> ------------------------------
> * "Aligarh Group" - we all know about it in the entire LalKitab community - 'I',
> 'My', 'Me' 'Mine', 'Our', 'We', 'Ours', 'Us' etc. are all members of the Aligarh
> group and with the change of gender you can easily double or triple the number
> of members. All those fake id's of gurus and chelas is just incredible!
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: sukhwinder astroremedies.in@...
> To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 11:31:59 PM
> Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Regarding Suggestion
>
>
> Respected Rajinder Bhatia Ji,
>
> I am not a intermediary or an agent of Pandit Bhooshan Priya Ji.You have
> challenged Bhooshan Priya Ji's modus opernadi and i am supporting him because I
> have seen the results, and I am not the single person who is been benefited by
> the remedies suggested by him.I have full faith in the system used by Pandit
> Bhooshan Priya Ji of Bhav Spasth for rectifying the varshphal table.He is ready
> to answer on a public forum but i think you don't have the guts to face the
> challenge.Anyhow i am forwarding you the reply which is written by Pandit
> Bhooshan Priya Ji on the public forum of Lal Kitab _Discussion group.
>
> with regards
> Sukhwinder Sharma
>
> Dear Goel Saheb,
>
> I appreciate the effort made by Sreenadh ji in trying to find out the algorithm
> used in the Varsh Phal table of the Lal Kitab. I feel grateful that a scholar of
> Sreenadh’s eminence takes interest in Lal Kitab.
>
> At some stage or the other, some of us had tried to find out the logic, but had
> failed. Here is some one else who has taken up the task; instead of encouraging
> him we are trying to discourage him through our comments.
>
> You as an engineer know very well that whenever numbers are generated, they have
> to follow a law, an inherent logic, howsoever complex it may be; so must the LK
> varsh phal table too.
>
> Studying this logic falls in the domain of mathematics/statistics. It is a
> technique which is not system specific. For a mathematician / statistician it
> doesn’t make a difference whether he is analyzing a table from LK or the
> Economic Survey of India. Therefore the plea that Sreenadh ji isn’t
> familiar with Lal Kitab is not relevant.
>
> On the contrary, the Varshphal table is absolutely "system specific"; actually
> LalKitab specific. It is utterly illogical to compare it to the likes of market
> fluctuations or laws of supply and demand or combinatorial or statistical
> mathematics. As I have said before, this table is not populated based on a
> single formula. Numerous unique sets of rules have been used to populate
> different sets of years (or perhaps each row.) If one can't find a pattern
> of how each row is populated, then it is quite logical to conclude that each
> row or a small subset of rows has a specific formula known only to the
> originator of this tableand unfortunately, lost for ever. The inability to find
> that formula or formulae does not make this table a suspect (unless Priyaji and
> other practitioners have experienced problems with the use of this
> table but have kept it to themselves.) The real key to this table does not lie
> in statistical patterns; to look for that would be silly.
>
>
> Sreenadh ji has made a preliminary investigation into the table. It is not
> complete yet as he himself said, â€Å"There seems to be something more to it,
> related to the possibility of permutation combination possible in metrics of
> numbers.â€
>
> Therefore let us not jump to conclusions.
>
> However, didn't Mr. Sreenadh jump to conclusions ? (Please re-read the portion
> that I quoted in my previous Email.) Ms. Priya also did not hesitate to
> immediately agree with him. That is what I strongly objected to. Mr. Sreenadh
> not having any experience in LalKitab system immediately condemned the Varshphal
> table and declared it erroneous and corrupted. Priyaji, with vast experience in
> LK under her belt, unfortunately, did not lose a breath agreeing with that. If
> she suspected its accuracy, then why didn't she, while using it all these
> years, say something like: "...based on my vast experience with this
> system, I see this table not working satisfactorily during such and such years
> or such and such houses" -- something to that effect. In that case, suspecting
> the effectiveness of the table would be justified. She has remained quiet all
> these years and suddenly it dawns upon her that the table needs rectification.
> The rectification of this table on unfounded and unknown basis will misguide
> astrological community. That would be an extremely irresponsible deed.
>
> Yes, if Sreenadh ji, or any body else for that matter, finds the algorithm used
> in the LK table and also detects a few errors, then I will accept the modified
> version to experiment with. If the logic is known and the table gets modified,
> then yes it could mean that not only me, but every body else too, had been using
> a table which had a few errors.
> We do not consider the LK varsh phal table as a divine revelation. For us it is
> a man made table, a human effort, in which a possibility of a few errors could
> always exist.
>
>
> Now, if balderdash, illogical thinking and utter nonsense were to be packaged
> all-in-one statement, then this would be it! What an illogical premise and
> conclusion -- "... since it is man-made, it has to be errorneous..." Three
> cheers for their deductive reasoning!!
>
> Now coming to the issue of Bhav-Spashtha
>
> Long back we had already discussed about the Bhav-Spashtha.
>
> We, the Aligarh Group of Lal Kitab, use Ptolemaic or modus equalis system of
> Bhav spashtha.
>
> Initially I had used the Porphyry's system because this was the one
> I learnt first when I worked out the Ascendant and the Dasham
> manually. Later I used the Lahiri ephemeris for it.
>
> Through our experience we found that the equal house system suits us
> best.
> Your comment was â€Å"The use of equal house division is very rational and
> goes well with Indian Astrological system.â€
>
> With great regards,
>
> Bhooshan Priya
>
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