Dear Raj Bhardwajji,
earlier post of mine.
//Vedic five tattwa theory is known to everybody here.
>
> Just for a knowledge :
> Chinese also follows five tattwa theory in slightly different way.//
It may be due to poor writing skills sometimes message does not reach in a proper way as i wanted to convey.
I am only saying that i am not writing elaborately of five tattwa theory as it is known to everybody here just for an extra knowledge i am producing the chinese five tattwa concept also.
This is just for information.
Thankyou
Vijay Goel
Jaipur
--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" <rajbhardwaj1949@...> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Vijay Goel Ji,
> Namaskar,
>
>
> I am a novice person who is studying the LK for past 8 Months. I am also
> silently going through the old msgs/discussions in this group, and
> various files.The hibernation period of the Group gave me ample time, to
> read , brood over and try to understand the marvels of LK, penned by
> Saintly Pandit Roop Chand Joshi Ji.
>
> The Astrostudents forum started by the blessed and large number of
> learned and blessed disciples of Pandit Ji, who have toiled so hard and
> had taken up the cudgels to search the original chapters of the Lal
> Kitab, put them in order, understand the deep meanings of the each
> Farman and the chapters of this epic, have done really yeoman service to
> the mankind by putting the teachings in such a nice format for use of
> mankind at large, that no praise is enough, for their selfless service ;
> as true followers of Pandit Ji. This is THE best tradition of a
> Sanyasis, Yogis and true Jyotishis.
>
>
> Having put in such gigantic and and rock-solid efforts, with utmost
> devotion, and without any malafide or business intentions or gree
> whatsoever, I feel that learners of Vedic Jyotishis and Lal Kitab like
> me, will have to devote at least one full life, to understand the
> underlying Sutras of the Vedic Jyotish and the Lal Kitab, unravelled by
> the dedicated reserachers , and try to link and integrating the Sutras
> with very fine in amalgmation of ancient and present times. It is the
> work of the real ones, The real scholars, sans any drum beating or
> blowing their trumpet or bilittling and other form of Indian Astrology!
>
>
> I have been reading your msgs also these days,you are also contributing
> your knowledge of LK in the group, but I humbly feel that out of your
> over-enthusiasm at at one or two times it appeared to me, may be
> wrongly, to be straying in your thought process. Recently you wrote in
> one of your previous msg that "every body here understands the Tatwas in
> Vedic Astrology".... and after some thoughts , you also brought in a
> point of having knowledge of Five Tatwas as described in Chinese
> systems. This somewhat takes the beginers like me to get distracted
> from the main issues which are contained in the Lal Kitab. This may be
> so beacuse what I think with my little reading of Jyotish, that the
> basic concepts of LK are based on on a broader canvas of Vastu Purush
> Kundali, which comes in the Indian Astrology(it could be any branch of
> Indian ancient astrology; and Vedic is one part of it)
> But, at the same time there are very deep and not easy to fathom Farmans
> and the chapters on Plantes,Grahas ,Rashis etc etc, penned in the then
> prevailing simple language in the Northern Parts of India.This is one
> reason, that the disiciples of Panditjee are on a Mission to go deep
> into this very important aspects of the Lal Kitab, i.e. it's Mool Bhasha
> with a mix of a number of languages and the hidden meanings conveyed in
> this Bhasha, which is alsmost unknown to the present day people, more so
> the present young generation.
>
> Had Lal Kitab been written in Sanskrit(perhaps Pandit Ji might have
> done, who knows ! we would have hundreds of Hindi translations by many
> scholars of Sanskrit and Hindi (as has been the case with the Brihat
> Parashar Hora Shastra, on which Jyotishis and Scholars are still
> fighting over in any number of Astrology groups availabel in the
> Internet. In the end who are suffering, the learners, students and the
> practising Jyotishis.
> Mercifully, this has not been the case with Lal Kitab, as very few
> people had given their own twists to the Real Lal Kitab etc, and this
> simply weaned away the students of Jyotishis, till the advent of
> Astrogroup students of Lal Kitab, and as a result of these dedicated
> disciples of Pandit Ji, this Group has not only been able to wean away
> people from the Thugs of Lal Kitab' but with their sustained efforts ,
> have also been able to attract and impresss many Vedic Scholars and
> Astrologers and have aroused their interests in the Lal Kitab.
>
>
> I love and like the motto of this Group, it can be really called a
> professional approach in the hands of right people, when they go on
> reminding the members to not to disgress from the topics under
> discussions and try to confine ourselves to get more closer to this epic
> book, by doing Meemansa of the related issues and just the related
> sub-issues. Since many other members like you may also had the
> experience in many other Jyotish related groups ,where it is free field,
> free stage for all, to grab a prominent presence in the related groups ;
> and then as a result many serious students leave such groups and
> desperately search for a Group which can really present itself as a
> GROUP.
>
>
> I may please be pardoned for typing such a long and boring messege , but
> frankly speaking, the Chinese inventionist streak. just forced me to
> ponder over, and gain my confidence to write my very first Msg in this
> marvellous group of learning of Lal Kitab.
>
>
> With my deep regards and best wishes to Prabhakar Ji, Nirmal Ji, Kulbir
> Bains Ji and a many others(the list would be very long), who inspired in
> me the real urge to try to understand and learn Lal Kitaab, and I pray
> to Panit Ji to give me strength and blessings to get some ntelligence ;
> to be able to learn some of his teachings ,at least. With my kind
> regards to all members also.
>
> Raj Bhardwaj
> Sh Aditya Vedic Jyotish Kendra
> Dera-Bassi(Mohali)Panjab
> Ambala-Chandigarh Highway
>
>
> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Kulbhir ji,
> >
> > I didn't understand the your point.
> >
> > --------------
> >
> > Vedic five tattwa theory is known to everybody here.
> >
> > Just for a knowledge :
> > Chinese also follows five tattwa theory in slightly different way.
> > Their five tattwa are Water, Wood, Fire, Earth and Metal.
> > They says that each tattwa is productive, non-productive and
> destructive
> > to other tattwa as per systematic cycles.
> >
> > -------------
> > It will be better if your reference page of Lal-kitab is explained.
> >
> > I personally feel that page is a heterogeneous mixture of many
> concepts.
> > Every time i read, gets surrounded by many meanings.
> > I think that tattwa concept is nowhere stated in LK, infact Khana No.
> 3
> > signifies empty space only empty space not "akaash tattwa" and is well
> > explained by Nirmal ji.
> >
> > Thankyou
> > Regards,
> > Vijay Goel
> > Jaipur
> > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Vijay ji,
> > > Gravity {Guru Tattwa Aakarshan}, Air, Space come under Jupiter as
> per
> > > lalqitab also, kindly read the beginning chapter where Budh Ka
> > Martabaan
> > > example is given.
> > > Mercury is Jupiter plus Rahu.
> > > The area/space cut by compass of mercury which we call *atmosphere*
> is
> > > denoted by Jupiter.
> > > regards
> > > Kulbir
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:53 AM, vijay.goel goyalvj@ wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Respected Nirmalji,
> > > >
> > > > Excellent explanation :)
> > > >
> > > > From traditional astrology point of view, among the five tattwas,
> > jupiter
> > > > signifies Akaash tattwa (space element) and Mercury signifies
> Pritvi
> > tattwa
> > > > (earth element).
> > > > So traditional astrologers must note this difference with LK.
> > > >
> > > > Thankyou
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Vijay Goel
> > > > Jaipur.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Nirmal Kumar" nirbhar@
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Kulbir Ji,
> > > > > My perception is that there are two different words in this
> > context. One
> > > > is sky(Blue Sky called aasmaan in hindi) and other is
> > space(Akaash).The
> > > > space is denoted by Budh and Blue sky is denoted by Rahu. Rahu is
> a
> > Farzi
> > > > Grah (Not a physical planet) so is its denoted item sky(blue sky)
> > which is
> > > > actually not there in existence. while any type of empty space is
> > denoted by
> > > > Budh.
> > > > > There fore in my opinion the blue sky item should be of Khana No
> > 12
> > > > (Rahu) and Space (Akaash) should be of Khana No.3 (budh).
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Nirmal
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Nirmal ji, //*[In my opinion `akaash'is not open sky it
> is
> > > > referring to
> > > > > > element `akaash' which signifies blank space (khlaav) //
> > > > > > *Page 19, 1952, "..........aavaz fir Aasmani khanna no. 12
> > > > > > mein........isliye Budh ka Aakash ya Nagare e Khalaq......."*
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > Kulbir.
> > > > > > *
> > > > > > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Nirmal Kumar nirbhar@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My opinion on few of the points are given in [square
> brackets]
> > in
> > > > blue
> > > > > > > color.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pakka Ghar number 3
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ghar teeje hai pakka mangal dhan daulat ke jane ka
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Khawesh-au-akarib bhai apne ya chori, ayaari ka.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is the house of Pakka Mars, exit of wealth and money.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Signifies : Brother from same father or cousin in one's
> joint
> > family,
> > > > > > > friends who are close like brothers, stealing, cleverness.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Asar najar aur jang-va-jadal sab, mahal bhi unke lete hai
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Badna badana, farz mansabi, insaaf meetha unka lete hai.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Signifies : Results of evil sight or sight with bad
> > intentions,
> > > > combat,
> > > > > > > war, place or forts where fight takes place.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *[ **I feel it refers about the houses of `khawesh-o-aqarib
> > bhai apne
> > > > '] *
> > > > > > > **
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To help to move forward, duties of responsible person (an
> > officer),
> > > > justice
> > > > > > > of brotherhood (sweet).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Utthi jawani ya khun jigar ka, tana darakh, aakash bhi hai.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Khusi gami aur saale bhanoi, samaan aaraayash makan bhi hai.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Early stage of youth, liver's blood, trunk of tree, open
> sky.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Happiness sadness, brother-in-law, husband of sister, things
> > to
> > > > decorate
> > > > > > > the home.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *[In my opinion `akaash'is not open sky it is referring to
> > element
> > > > > > > `akaash' which signifies blank space (khlaav) ( I don't know
> > how to
> > > > express
> > > > > > > it) .*
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sher darinde is ghar rehte, triloki bhi hota hai.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Takat bachha paida karne, sasural aahwal akela hai.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ruthless lions is seen from here, triloki (numinous) is also
> > seen
> > > > from
> > > > > > > here.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sexual power to produce children, all in-laws are lonely ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > QUERY : sasural aahwal akela hai ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [asper dictionary -different meanings of ahvaal are haalat,
> > > > khair-sukh,
> > > > > > > sarmaya, maal-daulat, dhan-maal ]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is ghar ka jo rang hai khooni asar hota bhi khooni hai.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Grah jo is ghar badi pe howe kehlata va kasti hai.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The color of this house is red and its results are also
> > alarming.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If any planets is malefic in this house it will result in
> > turmoil.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Stree grah jab teeje aawe, aurat bhi va mard kehlawe
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sukkar baila aur chanda sadhu, mard badege badegi aayuu
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mangal badh- manglik na hoga, shivji ho ke daya karega.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Streeo ki bhi puja hogi, teen kaal va unnati hogi.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hogi to kul umda hogi, gar na hogi, chori na hogi.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [in my opinion all the above lines should be combined for
> > > > illustration as
> > > > > > > below lines]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When female planets (venus , moon) comes in this house, it
> > acts as
> > > > male
> > > > > > > planet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Venus is bull and moon is saint (Shiva ji), males if rises
> > than age
> > > > will
> > > > > > > increase.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Inference: Female planets in 3H make the native coward so
> > females in
> > > > family
> > > > > > > become courageous in facing danger or to dominate.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [In my opinion 6ks should be considered here. Since mangal
> bud
> > > > condition
> > > > > > > does not prevail in the presence of female planets, hence
> > cowardness
> > > > will
> > > > > > > cease to exist. Female planets here means Venus(Wife) ,
> > Moon(Mother)
> > > > and
> > > > > > > those will play active role in the life of native-> means
> that
> > his
> > > > > > > wife/mother will be capable of doing all the tasks which
> > normally a
> > > > male
> > > > > > > person can do in the family and her decision are considered
> as
> > firm.
> > > > females
> > > > > > > will not be like "Keeley Banni Gaan naan hoon na haan" (it
> is
> > not
> > > > like a cow
> > > > > > > tethered with khoonta ]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Male planets or cruel planets in this house increase
> > resistivity to
> > > > > > > withstand any diseases hence age increases.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here Mars will be not mangal badh due to blessing of moon.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [in my opinion Mars if posited here can be mangal Bud. But
> if
> > females
> > > > > > > planets are posited here, then mars bud will not be there in
> > native's
> > > > kundli
> > > > > > > even if at a particular position of Mars in a house which is
> > > > considered for
> > > > > > > it as Mars Bud,likeHouse no 4]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If females in home are respected than native will rise in
> all
> > stage
> > > > of
> > > > > > > life. (child, youth,old age)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Whole family will rise, theft will also not take place.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Inference : this house is the house of power, if power is
> used
> > to
> > > > protect
> > > > > > > females and children, good qualities are developed than
> > naturally it
> > > > will
> > > > > > > rise the whole family.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Else if this power is misused for harassment the weaker ones
> > than
> > > > naturally
> > > > > > > struggle, theft will increase in the home.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [in my opinion this house is also of chori(theft), aiyaari
> > (trickery
> > > > or
> > > > > > > disguise) & exit point of wealth presence of any planet in
> > this house
> > > > may
> > > > > > > cause these bad instances]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Budh sani aur mangal tewe kahi bhi iske baithe ho.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Phal wese hi ghar teeje ke, us tewe mein hote hai.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The position of mercury, Saturn, mars in the horoscope will
> > modify
> > > > the
> > > > > > > results of 3H.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nirmal
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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