Dear Kulbhir ji,
I didn't understand the your point.
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Vedic five tattwa theory is known to everybody here.
Just for a knowledge :
Chinese also follows five tattwa theory in slightly different way.
Their five tattwa are Water, Wood, Fire, Earth and Metal.
They says that each tattwa is productive, non-productive and destructive
to other tattwa as per systematic cycles.
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It will be better if your reference page of Lal-kitab is explained.
I personally feel that page is a heterogeneous mixture of many concepts.
Every time i read, gets surrounded by many meanings.
I think that tattwa concept is nowhere stated in LK, infact Khana No. 3
signifies empty space only empty space not "akaash tattwa" and is well
explained by Nirmal ji.
Thankyou
Regards,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur
--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Vijay ji,
> Gravity {Guru Tattwa Aakarshan}, Air, Space come under Jupiter as per
> lalqitab also, kindly read the beginning chapter where Budh Ka
Martabaan
> example is given.
> Mercury is Jupiter plus Rahu.
> The area/space cut by compass of mercury which we call *atmosphere* is
> denoted by Jupiter.
> regards
> Kulbir
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:53 AM, vijay.goel goyalvj@... wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Respected Nirmalji,
> >
> > Excellent explanation :)
> >
> > From traditional astrology point of view, among the five tattwas,
jupiter
> > signifies Akaash tattwa (space element) and Mercury signifies Pritvi
tattwa
> > (earth element).
> > So traditional astrologers must note this difference with LK.
> >
> > Thankyou
> > Regards,
> > Vijay Goel
> > Jaipur.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Nirmal Kumar" nirbhar@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Kulbir Ji,
> > > My perception is that there are two different words in this
context. One
> > is sky(Blue Sky called aasmaan in hindi) and other is
space(Akaash).The
> > space is denoted by Budh and Blue sky is denoted by Rahu. Rahu is a
Farzi
> > Grah (Not a physical planet) so is its denoted item sky(blue sky)
which is
> > actually not there in existence. while any type of empty space is
denoted by
> > Budh.
> > > There fore in my opinion the blue sky item should be of Khana No
12
> > (Rahu) and Space (Akaash) should be of Khana No.3 (budh).
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Nirmal
> > >
> > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Nirmal ji, //*[In my opinion `akaash'is not open sky it is
> > referring to
> > > > element `akaash' which signifies blank space (khlaav) //
> > > > *Page 19, 1952, "..........aavaz fir Aasmani khanna no. 12
> > > > mein........isliye Budh ka Aakash ya Nagare e Khalaq......."*
> > > > Regards
> > > > Kulbir.
> > > > *
> > > > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Nirmal Kumar nirbhar@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > > > >
> > > > > My opinion on few of the points are given in [square brackets]
in
> > blue
> > > > > color.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pakka Ghar number 3
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ghar teeje hai pakka mangal dhan daulat ke jane ka
> > > > >
> > > > > Khawesh-au-akarib bhai apne ya chori, ayaari ka.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is the house of Pakka Mars, exit of wealth and money.
> > > > >
> > > > > Signifies : Brother from same father or cousin in one's joint
family,
> > > > > friends who are close like brothers, stealing, cleverness.
> > > > >
> > > > > Asar najar aur jang-va-jadal sab, mahal bhi unke lete hai
> > > > >
> > > > > Badna badana, farz mansabi, insaaf meetha unka lete hai.
> > > > >
> > > > > Signifies : Results of evil sight or sight with bad
intentions,
> > combat,
> > > > > war, place or forts where fight takes place.
> > > > >
> > > > > *[ **I feel it refers about the houses of `khawesh-o-aqarib
bhai apne
> > '] *
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > > To help to move forward, duties of responsible person (an
officer),
> > justice
> > > > > of brotherhood (sweet).
> > > > >
> > > > > Utthi jawani ya khun jigar ka, tana darakh, aakash bhi hai.
> > > > >
> > > > > Khusi gami aur saale bhanoi, samaan aaraayash makan bhi hai.
> > > > >
> > > > > Early stage of youth, liver's blood, trunk of tree, open sky.
> > > > >
> > > > > Happiness sadness, brother-in-law, husband of sister, things
to
> > decorate
> > > > > the home.
> > > > >
> > > > > *[In my opinion `akaash'is not open sky it is referring to
element
> > > > > `akaash' which signifies blank space (khlaav) ( I don't know
how to
> > express
> > > > > it) .*
> > > > >
> > > > > Sher darinde is ghar rehte, triloki bhi hota hai.
> > > > >
> > > > > Takat bachha paida karne, sasural aahwal akela hai.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ruthless lions is seen from here, triloki (numinous) is also
seen
> > from
> > > > > here.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sexual power to produce children, all in-laws are lonely ?
> > > > >
> > > > > QUERY : sasural aahwal akela hai ?
> > > > >
> > > > > [asper dictionary -different meanings of ahvaal are haalat,
> > khair-sukh,
> > > > > sarmaya, maal-daulat, dhan-maal ]
> > > > >
> > > > > Is ghar ka jo rang hai khooni asar hota bhi khooni hai.
> > > > >
> > > > > Grah jo is ghar badi pe howe kehlata va kasti hai.
> > > > >
> > > > > The color of this house is red and its results are also
alarming.
> > > > >
> > > > > If any planets is malefic in this house it will result in
turmoil.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stree grah jab teeje aawe, aurat bhi va mard kehlawe
> > > > >
> > > > > Sukkar baila aur chanda sadhu, mard badege badegi aayuu
> > > > >
> > > > > Mangal badh- manglik na hoga, shivji ho ke daya karega.
> > > > >
> > > > > Streeo ki bhi puja hogi, teen kaal va unnati hogi.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hogi to kul umda hogi, gar na hogi, chori na hogi.
> > > > >
> > > > > [in my opinion all the above lines should be combined for
> > illustration as
> > > > > below lines]
> > > > >
> > > > > When female planets (venus , moon) comes in this house, it
acts as
> > male
> > > > > planet.
> > > > >
> > > > > Venus is bull and moon is saint (Shiva ji), males if rises
than age
> > will
> > > > > increase.
> > > > >
> > > > > Inference: Female planets in 3H make the native coward so
females in
> > family
> > > > > become courageous in facing danger or to dominate.
> > > > >
> > > > > [In my opinion 6ks should be considered here. Since mangal bud
> > condition
> > > > > does not prevail in the presence of female planets, hence
cowardness
> > will
> > > > > cease to exist. Female planets here means Venus(Wife) ,
Moon(Mother)
> > and
> > > > > those will play active role in the life of native-> means that
his
> > > > > wife/mother will be capable of doing all the tasks which
normally a
> > male
> > > > > person can do in the family and her decision are considered as
firm.
> > females
> > > > > will not be like "Keeley Banni Gaan naan hoon na haan" (it is
not
> > like a cow
> > > > > tethered with khoonta ]
> > > > >
> > > > > Male planets or cruel planets in this house increase
resistivity to
> > > > > withstand any diseases hence age increases.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here Mars will be not mangal badh due to blessing of moon.
> > > > >
> > > > > [in my opinion Mars if posited here can be mangal Bud. But if
females
> > > > > planets are posited here, then mars bud will not be there in
native's
> > kundli
> > > > > even if at a particular position of Mars in a house which is
> > considered for
> > > > > it as Mars Bud,likeHouse no 4]
> > > > >
> > > > > If females in home are respected than native will rise in all
stage
> > of
> > > > > life. (child, youth,old age)
> > > > >
> > > > > Whole family will rise, theft will also not take place.
> > > > >
> > > > > Inference : this house is the house of power, if power is used
to
> > protect
> > > > > females and children, good qualities are developed than
naturally it
> > will
> > > > > rise the whole family.
> > > > >
> > > > > Else if this power is misused for harassment the weaker ones
than
> > naturally
> > > > > struggle, theft will increase in the home.
> > > > >
> > > > > [in my opinion this house is also of chori(theft), aiyaari
(trickery
> > or
> > > > > disguise) & exit point of wealth presence of any planet in
this house
> > may
> > > > > cause these bad instances]
> > > > >
> > > > > Budh sani aur mangal tewe kahi bhi iske baithe ho.
> > > > >
> > > > > Phal wese hi ghar teeje ke, us tewe mein hote hai.
> > > > >
> > > > > The position of mercury, Saturn, mars in the horoscope will
modify
> > the
> > > > > results of 3H.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Nirmal
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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