Respected Raj Bhardwaj ji,
Namaskar :)
//This is one reason, that the disiciples of Panditjee are on a Mission to go deep
> into this very important aspects of the Lal Kitab, i.e. it's Mool Bhasha
> with a mix of a number of languages and the hidden meanings conveyed in
> this Bhasha, which is alsmost unknown to the present day people, more so
> the present young generation.
//
Due to blessings of many learned Lalkitabee's and due to the efforts made by lal kitabee's to bring the Urdu edition to present hindi form, With due respect to them, I am trying to contribute on the same with my limited knowledge.
//Recently you wrote in
> one of your previous msg that "every body here understands the Tatwas in
> Vedic Astrology".... and after some thoughts , you also brought in a
> point of having knowledge of Five Tatwas as described in Chinese
> systems. This somewhat takes the beginers like me to get distracted
> from the main issues which are contained in the Lal Kitab.//
Many system in chinese and Tibetan are the part and parcel of our traditional system, 2-3 yrs back while surfing, i saw one Tibetan or Burmese astrology using a Dasa system which is exactly the same as our 'Astotattari dasa' systemi(i forgot now).
I have just provided the hint of tattwa concept from chinese system just for adding of knowledge and bracketed in a paragraph so that beginners should avoid it. It may or may not be of any use in deciphering LK.
Actually discussion was to decipher the word 'Akaash' in Khana no. 3.
I found on my readings that Tattwa concept is not dealt explicitly in LK.
Many things has been written methamorphically by Panditji which are still mystery to all.
//This may be
> so beacuse what I think with my little reading of Jyotish, that the
> basic concepts of LK are based on on a broader canvas of Vastu Purush
> Kundali, which comes in the Indian Astrology//
I agree with you.
Their is 7-fold system laid down by Rishi Varahmihira to analyze the chart. LK is not out of these 7 fold system, it follows the basic system.
In LK Major emphasis is made with Bhava-planet relationship, we can call it as Khana-Karak relationships.
This is simplified so that it can be easily correlated with physiological features of the native.
//this Group has not only been able to wean away
> people from the Thugs of Lal Kitab' but with their sustained efforts ,
> have also been able to attract and impresss many Vedic Scholars and
> Astrologers and have aroused their interests in the Lal Kitab.//
For last 5 years i am the member, and we all know the purpose of this group.
Since LK is mostly propagated as easy remedy book, which is not a good sign.
Many astrologers are using other system of astrology and providing the remedies from this book.
For eg, if planets "A" is malefic and weak as per KP system, they place the direct remedy of planet "A" from the lal-kitab.
This is absolutely wrong and incorrect. KP is nakshatra system with further division of "sub" concept while LK does not deal with nakshatra at all. To intermix the totally different system is weird.
LK is itself is a complete system, one must judge the planet's maleficence and beneficence according to LK and than place the remedy from it.
I always say that Please DONOT intermix other system (even Parashari though it is closest to the theme of LK) while alienating the results of planets.
While reading the understanding the book, we can take the concept of other system which matches with the basic theme of LK.
I thanks you for your guidance and feedback.
Regards,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur
Practicing astrologer and vaastu couselor.
--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" <rajbhardwaj1949@...> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Vijay Goel Ji,
> Namaskar,
>
>
> I am a novice person who is studying the LK for past 8 Months. I am also
> silently going through the old msgs/discussions in this group, and
> various files.The hibernation period of the Group gave me ample time, to
> read , brood over and try to understand the marvels of LK, penned by
> Saintly Pandit Roop Chand Joshi Ji.
>
> The Astrostudents forum started by the blessed and large number of
> learned and blessed disciples of Pandit Ji, who have toiled so hard and
> had taken up the cudgels to search the original chapters of the Lal
> Kitab, put them in order, understand the deep meanings of the each
> Farman and the chapters of this epic, have done really yeoman service to
> the mankind by putting the teachings in such a nice format for use of
> mankind at large, that no praise is enough, for their selfless service ;
> as true followers of Pandit Ji. This is THE best tradition of a
> Sanyasis, Yogis and true Jyotishis.
>
>
> Having put in such gigantic and and rock-solid efforts, with utmost
> devotion, and without any malafide or business intentions or gree
> whatsoever, I feel that learners of Vedic Jyotishis and Lal Kitab like
> me, will have to devote at least one full life, to understand the
> underlying Sutras of the Vedic Jyotish and the Lal Kitab, unravelled by
> the dedicated reserachers , and try to link and integrating the Sutras
> with very fine in amalgmation of ancient and present times. It is the
> work of the real ones, The real scholars, sans any drum beating or
> blowing their trumpet or bilittling and other form of Indian Astrology!
>
>
> I have been reading your msgs also these days,you are also contributing
> your knowledge of LK in the group, but I humbly feel that out of your
> over-enthusiasm at at one or two times it appeared to me, may be
> wrongly, to be straying in your thought process. Recently you wrote in
> one of your previous msg that "every body here understands the Tatwas in
> Vedic Astrology".... and after some thoughts , you also brought in a
> point of having knowledge of Five Tatwas as described in Chinese
> systems. This somewhat takes the beginers like me to get distracted
> from the main issues which are contained in the Lal Kitab. This may be
> so beacuse what I think with my little reading of Jyotish, that the
> basic concepts of LK are based on on a broader canvas of Vastu Purush
> Kundali, which comes in the Indian Astrology(it could be any branch of
> Indian ancient astrology; and Vedic is one part of it)
> But, at the same time there are very deep and not easy to fathom Farmans
> and the chapters on Plantes,Grahas ,Rashis etc etc, penned in the then
> prevailing simple language in the Northern Parts of India.This is one
> reason, that the disiciples of Panditjee are on a Mission to go deep
> into this very important aspects of the Lal Kitab, i.e. it's Mool Bhasha
> with a mix of a number of languages and the hidden meanings conveyed in
> this Bhasha, which is alsmost unknown to the present day people, more so
> the present young generation.
>
> Had Lal Kitab been written in Sanskrit(perhaps Pandit Ji might have
> done, who knows ! we would have hundreds of Hindi translations by many
> scholars of Sanskrit and Hindi (as has been the case with the Brihat
> Parashar Hora Shastra, on which Jyotishis and Scholars are still
> fighting over in any number of Astrology groups availabel in the
> Internet. In the end who are suffering, the learners, students and the
> practising Jyotishis.
> Mercifully, this has not been the case with Lal Kitab, as very few
> people had given their own twists to the Real Lal Kitab etc, and this
> simply weaned away the students of Jyotishis, till the advent of
> Astrogroup students of Lal Kitab, and as a result of these dedicated
> disciples of Pandit Ji, this Group has not only been able to wean away
> people from the Thugs of Lal Kitab' but with their sustained efforts ,
> have also been able to attract and impresss many Vedic Scholars and
> Astrologers and have aroused their interests in the Lal Kitab.
>
>
> I love and like the motto of this Group, it can be really called a
> professional approach in the hands of right people, when they go on
> reminding the members to not to disgress from the topics under
> discussions and try to confine ourselves to get more closer to this epic
> book, by doing Meemansa of the related issues and just the related
> sub-issues. Since many other members like you may also had the
> experience in many other Jyotish related groups ,where it is free field,
> free stage for all, to grab a prominent presence in the related groups ;
> and then as a result many serious students leave such groups and
> desperately search for a Group which can really present itself as a
> GROUP.
>
>
> I may please be pardoned for typing such a long and boring messege , but
> frankly speaking, the Chinese inventionist streak. just forced me to
> ponder over, and gain my confidence to write my very first Msg in this
> marvellous group of learning of Lal Kitab.
>
>
> With my deep regards and best wishes to Prabhakar Ji, Nirmal Ji, Kulbir
> Bains Ji and a many others(the list would be very long), who inspired in
> me the real urge to try to understand and learn Lal Kitaab, and I pray
> to Panit Ji to give me strength and blessings to get some ntelligence ;
> to be able to learn some of his teachings ,at least. With my kind
> regards to all members also.
>
> Raj Bhardwaj
> Sh Aditya Vedic Jyotish Kendra
> Dera-Bassi(Mohali)Panjab
> Ambala-Chandigarh Highway
>
>
> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "vijay.goel" goyalvj@ wrote:
> >
> > Dear Kulbhir ji,
> >
> > I didn't understand the your point.
> >
> > --------------
> >
> > Vedic five tattwa theory is known to everybody here.
> >
> > Just for a knowledge :
> > Chinese also follows five tattwa theory in slightly different way.
> > Their five tattwa are Water, Wood, Fire, Earth and Metal.
> > They says that each tattwa is productive, non-productive and
> destructive
> > to other tattwa as per systematic cycles.
> >
> > -------------
> > It will be better if your reference page of Lal-kitab is explained.
> >
> > I personally feel that page is a heterogeneous mixture of many
> concepts.
> > Every time i read, gets surrounded by many meanings.
> > I think that tattwa concept is nowhere stated in LK, infact Khana No.
> 3
> > signifies empty space only empty space not "akaash tattwa" and is well
> > explained by Nirmal ji.
> >
> > Thankyou
> > Regards,
> > Vijay Goel
> > Jaipur
> > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Vijay ji,
> > > Gravity {Guru Tattwa Aakarshan}, Air, Space come under Jupiter as
> per
> > > lalqitab also, kindly read the beginning chapter where Budh Ka
> > Martabaan
> > > example is given.
> > > Mercury is Jupiter plus Rahu.
> > > The area/space cut by compass of mercury which we call *atmosphere*
> is
> > > denoted by Jupiter.
> > > regards
> > > Kulbir
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:53 AM, vijay.goel goyalvj@ wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Respected Nirmalji,
> > > >
> > > > Excellent explanation :)
> > > >
> > > > From traditional astrology point of view, among the five tattwas,
> > jupiter
> > > > signifies Akaash tattwa (space element) and Mercury signifies
> Pritvi
> > tattwa
> > > > (earth element).
> > > > So traditional astrologers must note this difference with LK.
> > > >
> > > > Thankyou
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Vijay Goel
> > > > Jaipur.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "Nirmal Kumar" nirbhar@
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Kulbir Ji,
> > > > > My perception is that there are two different words in this
> > context. One
> > > > is sky(Blue Sky called aasmaan in hindi) and other is
> > space(Akaash).The
> > > > space is denoted by Budh and Blue sky is denoted by Rahu. Rahu is
> a
> > Farzi
> > > > Grah (Not a physical planet) so is its denoted item sky(blue sky)
> > which is
> > > > actually not there in existence. while any type of empty space is
> > denoted by
> > > > Budh.
> > > > > There fore in my opinion the blue sky item should be of Khana No
> > 12
> > > > (Rahu) and Space (Akaash) should be of Khana No.3 (budh).
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Nirmal
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Nirmal ji, //*[In my opinion `akaash'is not open sky it
> is
> > > > referring to
> > > > > > element `akaash' which signifies blank space (khlaav) //
> > > > > > *Page 19, 1952, "..........aavaz fir Aasmani khanna no. 12
> > > > > > mein........isliye Budh ka Aakash ya Nagare e Khalaq......."*
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > Kulbir.
> > > > > > *
> > > > > > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Nirmal Kumar nirbhar@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Vijay Ji,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My opinion on few of the points are given in [square
> brackets]
> > in
> > > > blue
> > > > > > > color.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pakka Ghar number 3
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ghar teeje hai pakka mangal dhan daulat ke jane ka
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Khawesh-au-akarib bhai apne ya chori, ayaari ka.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is the house of Pakka Mars, exit of wealth and money.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Signifies : Brother from same father or cousin in one's
> joint
> > family,
> > > > > > > friends who are close like brothers, stealing, cleverness.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Asar najar aur jang-va-jadal sab, mahal bhi unke lete hai
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Badna badana, farz mansabi, insaaf meetha unka lete hai.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Signifies : Results of evil sight or sight with bad
> > intentions,
> > > > combat,
> > > > > > > war, place or forts where fight takes place.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *[ **I feel it refers about the houses of `khawesh-o-aqarib
> > bhai apne
> > > > '] *
> > > > > > > **
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To help to move forward, duties of responsible person (an
> > officer),
> > > > justice
> > > > > > > of brotherhood (sweet).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Utthi jawani ya khun jigar ka, tana darakh, aakash bhi hai.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Khusi gami aur saale bhanoi, samaan aaraayash makan bhi hai.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Early stage of youth, liver's blood, trunk of tree, open
> sky.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Happiness sadness, brother-in-law, husband of sister, things
> > to
> > > > decorate
> > > > > > > the home.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *[In my opinion `akaash'is not open sky it is referring to
> > element
> > > > > > > `akaash' which signifies blank space (khlaav) ( I don't know
> > how to
> > > > express
> > > > > > > it) .*
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sher darinde is ghar rehte, triloki bhi hota hai.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Takat bachha paida karne, sasural aahwal akela hai.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ruthless lions is seen from here, triloki (numinous) is also
> > seen
> > > > from
> > > > > > > here.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sexual power to produce children, all in-laws are lonely ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > QUERY : sasural aahwal akela hai ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [asper dictionary -different meanings of ahvaal are haalat,
> > > > khair-sukh,
> > > > > > > sarmaya, maal-daulat, dhan-maal ]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is ghar ka jo rang hai khooni asar hota bhi khooni hai.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Grah jo is ghar badi pe howe kehlata va kasti hai.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The color of this house is red and its results are also
> > alarming.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If any planets is malefic in this house it will result in
> > turmoil.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Stree grah jab teeje aawe, aurat bhi va mard kehlawe
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sukkar baila aur chanda sadhu, mard badege badegi aayuu
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mangal badh- manglik na hoga, shivji ho ke daya karega.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Streeo ki bhi puja hogi, teen kaal va unnati hogi.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hogi to kul umda hogi, gar na hogi, chori na hogi.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [in my opinion all the above lines should be combined for
> > > > illustration as
> > > > > > > below lines]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When female planets (venus , moon) comes in this house, it
> > acts as
> > > > male
> > > > > > > planet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Venus is bull and moon is saint (Shiva ji), males if rises
> > than age
> > > > will
> > > > > > > increase.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Inference: Female planets in 3H make the native coward so
> > females in
> > > > family
> > > > > > > become courageous in facing danger or to dominate.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [In my opinion 6ks should be considered here. Since mangal
> bud
> > > > condition
> > > > > > > does not prevail in the presence of female planets, hence
> > cowardness
> > > > will
> > > > > > > cease to exist. Female planets here means Venus(Wife) ,
> > Moon(Mother)
> > > > and
> > > > > > > those will play active role in the life of native-> means
> that
> > his
> > > > > > > wife/mother will be capable of doing all the tasks which
> > normally a
> > > > male
> > > > > > > person can do in the family and her decision are considered
> as
> > firm.
> > > > females
> > > > > > > will not be like "Keeley Banni Gaan naan hoon na haan" (it
> is
> > not
> > > > like a cow
> > > > > > > tethered with khoonta ]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Male planets or cruel planets in this house increase
> > resistivity to
> > > > > > > withstand any diseases hence age increases.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here Mars will be not mangal badh due to blessing of moon.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [in my opinion Mars if posited here can be mangal Bud. But
> if
> > females
> > > > > > > planets are posited here, then mars bud will not be there in
> > native's
> > > > kundli
> > > > > > > even if at a particular position of Mars in a house which is
> > > > considered for
> > > > > > > it as Mars Bud,likeHouse no 4]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If females in home are respected than native will rise in
> all
> > stage
> > > > of
> > > > > > > life. (child, youth,old age)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Whole family will rise, theft will also not take place.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Inference : this house is the house of power, if power is
> used
> > to
> > > > protect
> > > > > > > females and children, good qualities are developed than
> > naturally it
> > > > will
> > > > > > > rise the whole family.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Else if this power is misused for harassment the weaker ones
> > than
> > > > naturally
> > > > > > > struggle, theft will increase in the home.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [in my opinion this house is also of chori(theft), aiyaari
> > (trickery
> > > > or
> > > > > > > disguise) & exit point of wealth presence of any planet in
> > this house
> > > > may
> > > > > > > cause these bad instances]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Budh sani aur mangal tewe kahi bhi iske baithe ho.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Phal wese hi ghar teeje ke, us tewe mein hote hai.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The position of mercury, Saturn, mars in the horoscope will
> > modify
> > > > the
> > > > > > > results of 3H.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nirmal
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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