Dear Rajinder and Yograj,
I'd like to say that I very much understand and also support your
recent posts about Dr. Suresh Upadhyay and his false ID's such as Pt.
Bhooshan Priyar, Varun Trivedi etc., etc.
I understand Dr. Suresh Upadhyay is supposed to be a very learned and
intelligent man, an expert of Lal Kitab, but still I have found his
knowledge of Lal Kitab to be ill digested and wrong on many occations.
For instance, I cannot accept the way Dr. Suresh Upadhyay is mixing up
Lal Kitab concepts with traditional Parasari concept and presenting it
as if it was the true Lal Kitab. When mixing up the concepts of Lal
Kitab with e.g. concepts from Parasari, Tajik or Western astrology,
one should at least admit doing so, in order not to misguide others.
Likewise, while dealing with astrological and religious texts, one
should not read into the text but rather out of the text, and I don't
understand why an intelligent scholar would make such a mistake.
I would also like to add that it seems Dr. Suresh Upadhyay is not only
using these false ID's on the discussion-groups, he is also using them
privately. About 7-9 month ago I got some private emails from Dr.
Suresh Upadhyay, where he presented himself as Varun Trivedi. I
replied to these emails in the good faith that this was really Varun
Trivedi, but I was mislead. Using a false identity in a private
correspondence or conversation is not only dishonest and deceitful, it
is also disrespectful, and hardly the way of a gentleman.
Best regards,
Finn Wandahl
--- In astrostudents@
<yr_prabhakar@
>
> Respected Bhatia Sahib,
>
> The game you have mentioned is not a new one for me, many people knew
> it for a long long time. It was September 18th, 2004 when one of the
> senior most Lal Kitab scholar Pt. Umesh Sharma ji organized a Seminar
> on Lal Kitab at New Delhi In which Prof Upadhaye too participated
> incognito. The very next morning two messages appeared expressing
> views regarding the above-mentioned seminar on the internet. One was
from Madam Bhushan Priya and another was from Mr. Bhuvan Vashishta. I
along with Kulbir Singh Bains was at Pt. Umesh Sharma's residence at
that time. Previously, we used to exchange mails with Bhuvan
Vashishta, so we requested him to attend the seminar and meet us. We
were all taken aback as to why Bhuvan Vashishta preferred to remain
hidden. We watched the video clippings of the program again and again
to find out who actually Mr. Bhuvan Vashishta and Madam Bhushan Priya
were. We checked each female who attended the function but could not
find "her" (because by then we all knew "him" as "her). We checked
each one of the young men who attended the seminar, but were unable to
find any Bhuvan Vashishta among the participants. But we could smell
the rat and suspected that some hanky-panky was certainly going on.
Actually, no person with those names ever participated in the
function. Anyways,the information about this Bhuvan Vashishta's ID was
conveyed to our senior most American Indian scholar by PSU's one
bespectacled Lieutenant many years ago. And years later,one of our
Canadian forum members forwarded me a mail of a lady who addressed PSU
by his actual male name clearing any doubt whatsoever about his tactics.
>
> A few years back he also entered our group on a conjured name and
> tried to disrupt the proceedings with his clumsy and half baked
> rationales. He even provided a wrong telephone number. Once we tried
> to inquired about his actual identity, he not only provided the wrong
> contact numbers but later he simply ran away. He started his own group
> after a few days of leaving our forum. His real game started from
> there only. He made more than 2 dozen fake IDs and started fooling the
> innocent LK followers. He never forget to announce the Bithday of his
> group and never forget to boast about the "achievements"
> dozens of groups Having members in thousands but they never used such
> gauche methods. What a way to "achieve", KHUD HI GURU - KHUD HI CHELA?
> I wonder how many genuine (real) people actually are there in his group?
>
> He is trying to prove himself as the GRAND-MASTER of Lal Kitab, I have
> no objection to that. But what are his credentials? He tells all the
> remedies from one Dalda book by Late BD Dhanwantri. But surprisingly,
> this book never appeared in his list of "suggested readings list" for
> the new comers? Why? Is he afraid that his reality will be known to
> others? Discuss any remedy with him privately, he will instantly
> announce through his CHELAS (fake IDs) that this remedy was the
> creation of our GURU JI. I can provide proofs of this claim, if
> required.
>
> He is trying to project himself as the "greatest" Lal kitabist ever
> born, he even named his groups in the name of Lal Kitab. But I never
> saw him doing the Tewa Darustee, he says that he is using the
> Chalit/bhav Spashat chart instead. 'Tewa Darustee' and 'Ilm Qyafa'
are the two most important ingredients in Lal kitab astrology, but he
never cared about these aspects. Perhaps no one ever taught him these
> points. Most of the veteran LK astrologers especially Shri Umesh
> sharma ji, your good-self, MS Kondal, Finn Wandahl and Rajiv Khattar
never proceed further without a proper darustee of a chart. And to his
credit, Shri Umesh Sharma ji is far FAR ahead of everyone in this matter.
>
> He even accused me and your good-self of using fake ID's. When Mr. MS
> Kondal joined Punit's group and start writing, he spread the rumour
> that MS Kondal is nothing but Prabhakar's shadow handle. About one
year back, he also cried foul when I analysed a chart of a female and
the native replied to almost all of my questions in affirmative I
asked from her for Tewa Darustee purpose. But when I I told about 500
Pound Sterling Demand draft sent by her to me to one of his "then"
close associates, he was clueless as to what he should do now. I know
that he raised such issues only to hide his own mischief. He will not
> desist from such misadventures in the future also because old habits
> die hard.
>
> His other prominent habit is to hijack the subject matter of other
> forums. Perhaps he is unable to conceive any original thoughts in his
> old age. Since we are discussing Dharmi Tewa - he did not waste a
> moment to grab it, this time his latest Avtar Narendra Juneja did
> this. He is doing this not to add somethinbg positive in it, but to
> prove that everybody else is a fool and only he is the wisest man on
> this planet. He is trying his level best to prove wrong whatever has
> been said about Dharmi Tewa, and his each fake Id is burning their
mid-night oil in the process. But those old school followers who are
> associated with Lal Kitab by heart and soul will never listen to him,
> yes a few innocent new comers might be misguided by them - but for how
> long?
>
> His one point agenda is to prove all Old school followers wrong. I
> have no objection if it is limited to the individuals only, but in the
> backdrop he is trying to defame Pundit Roop Chand Joshi and Lal Kitab.
> One of his shadows (Satpal Khurana) even raised questions on the very
> authorship of Lal Kitab in another astro forum, No true follower of
> Lal Kitab can ever tolerate this type of nonsense.
>
> I suffered a brutal onslaught from him when his shadow Id's criticized
> my book (LK-1941 Transliterated) in the cheapest possible ways under a
> well planned strategy. He also declared that time that he was trying
to "show me the mirror". I saw myself in that mirror carefully - I was
> very much present there, nice and stronger than ever, because I was a
> real entity not a shadow. But I know that he will not be able to see
> more than a big dark spot while seeing "our mirror".
>
> I have not used words like "with heavy heart" purposely as your
> good-self has used in your post, because I am a fearless guy and have
> no regret over whatever I have expressed.
>
> Respectfully
> Yograj Prabhakar
>
>
> --- In astrostudents@
> <rajinderbhatia2002
> >
> > Friends,
> > With a heavy heart, I am writing the following. I have resisted this
> for many years but now that the cat is out of the bag, I want to bring
> out some facts. My apologies in advance, this is a lengthy Email and
> the subject matter is quite unpleasant.
> >
> > Prof Suresh Upadhyay (PSU for short), is one the foremost scholars
> of Lal Kitab astrology. He retired as a professor of
> linguistics/
> Shukla (Lalkitabee)
> extremely highly of PSU's devotion to Lal Kitab. Let me state here
> that Pt Shukla is not easily impressed by anyone; so this is a great
> testimonial to Prof Upadhyay's ability. Of all the people that I know,
> however, only three people have met PSU in person – Pt Shukla and
> others being PSU's former students; one of them is a member of various
> Lal Kitab forums. Other than that, none of the Lal Kitab devotees that
> I know of has ever seen him as he refuses/avoids to meet anyone from
> any of the forums. So we have to depend on Pt Shukla's testimonial.
> There is no question in my mind about PSU's deep study of Lal Kitab.
> He works tirelessly and provides remedial measures free of cost. Some of
> > these are Lal Kitab based, others are mostly folk remedies
> collected from here and there and many are questionable and
> controversial. Yet all these are being dispensed by him under the name
> of, Lal Kitab (as if these were solely Lal Kitab remedies.) To his
> credit, he is quite diligent about this service. That is one aspect of
> his personality – a knowledgeable and compassionate person who perhaps
> spends his entire day being on the net, juggling between various roles
> concerning forum-related activities.
> >
> > However, there is another aspect of PSU's personality, a very sad
> one, a painful subject to talk about but it has to be brought out to
> set the record straight. Right from the start of Lal Kitab Yahoo
> groups, he has always operated with multiple user-ids; has always
> acted as "good-guy" via some user-ids and as "bad-guy" via others; has
> always employed stealth and surreptitious methods with the ultimate
> goal of gaining an upper hand over everyone else when it comes to any
> Lal Kitab discussion, thus boosting his ego. Prof Suresh Upadhyay is
> none other than Pt Madam Bhushan Priya (a self assumed name in which
> he, very surprisingly, introduced himself as a woman, a "mother" and a
> novice trying to learn Lal Kitab.) Within a couple of months, Prof
> Upadhyay disappeared from the then-forum and this "new" woman became a
> Lal Kitab "expert" so much so that s/he started his/her own Lal Kitab
> group on Yahoo. With this came the "master
> > stroke" – he also started a Lal Kitab "Discussion Group" where he
> became the great Gurujee with numerous (imaginary) disciples studying
> Lal Kitab under his tutelage. These "disciples" were all fake user-ids
> manufactured by PSU as needed – the number of such fake chelas is
> unknown.
> >
> > In his forum, he has always been very careful to censor any
> dissenting opinion and delete Emails that question his tactics. In the
> process, many have been banned who were writing things that were
> inconvenient to PSU. Yet he unabashedly accepted mails from a few
> misguided and immature individuals who were openly taking pot shots at
> some others. Even Lal Kitab1941 (Gutka) transliterated by Sh Yograj
> was not spared. On the one hand PSU lauded the attempt and on the
> other hand, he let the same malicious people splash mud at the
> wonderful book and the people associated with it. Topics that were/are
> being discussed in AstroStudents forum were (and are) regularly
> hijacked to the great Gurujee's forum; even irrelevant non-topics from
> some pea-brained individuals were published as long as they splashed
> mud at some particular individuals, yours truly included. PSU really
> stooped low! At times PSU acted extremely abrasive, while at others he
> acted as a naive
> > person with the express intent of be-fooling others. He has used
> circular logic, ignored the basic point of an inconvenient discussion
> and has never for once, conceded that he ever made a mistake. One
> example: Steel ring as a remedial measure suggested in Mercury 12 -
> through his illogical logic he has always maintained that the ring has
> to be open-ended and that is what he prescribes because once he
> has "pronounced" that, he won't rectify his mistake. This is despite
> the fact that I tried to correct him numerous times on this particular
> topic, sharing with one and all what Pt Rup Chand jee had to say about
> this remedial measure. He would have none of it – he firmly believes
> that he knows more than the originator of the system! Many of us have
> known about PSU's strange behavior for a long time but never said a
> word about it. As a moderator at another Lal Kitab group, I used to
> receive emails about this "fake id" business quite
> > regularly but out of respect and decency towards a senior person
> and a former educator, I decided to reject/delete/
> does not matter, if that is how he gets his kicks - let it be. But
> repeatedly, he has crossed the limit of what is tolerable. On all
> possible occasions, he has, through his various fake ids, tried to
> blow the trumpet of Pt Krishan Ashant's blatant lies about Pt Rup
> Chand jee and as recently as a few weeks ago, he called Pt Jee a
> mere "scribe." I state very emphatically that this is crude, mean,
> low-class and vulgar – these are the politest words I can use. (When I
> say 'he' I mean one of his user-ids, his creation, his make-believe
> world.) Not only that, he even gloated in the recent past that there
> is no material ever written by Pt Rup Chand jee post-1952 that is in
> his son's (Pt Som Dutt jee's) or anyone else's possession and that if
> there is any such Lal Kitab related material, it must be "brought to
> > Aligarh" "for authentication.
> get off your imaginary high horse. Your "virtual disciples" and the
> vaporous "Aligarh Group" will decide the authenticity of Lal Kitab?
> Get a life! Many seniors have laughed at this suggestion while others
> have pitied the so-called Aligarh Group's "intellect."
> >
> > Although a scholar, PSU has been displaying a severe psychological
> aberration. He wants to be known and recognized as the high priest of
> Lal Kitab and lives in a fantasy world where he visualizes himself
> sitting at a high pedestal with numerous of his disciples standing
> around with bowed heads and folded hands, awaiting the words of wisdom
> - "The Oracle has spake." Why did he have to "change" his persona into
> a woman, Pt Bhushan Priya, who by "her" own admission, (also) taught
> at IIT, and had the same credentials as Prof Upadhyay, "She" went to a
> conference at IIT, Kharagpur as advertised in "her" "Discussion Group"
> (Little known to "her" that we have a copy of the names of invited
> guests and those who attended – "Priya" was NOT one of them, Prof
> Upadhyay was.) A liar always gets caught in his/her own web. As Priya,
> "she" also said, while writing to a woman, "... as a mother myself I
> know your feelings..." Why all this deceit and
> > that too in the name of Lal Kitab? Don't you have any qualms
about it?
> >
> > To express his opinion and to spread the word, Prof Upadhyay would
> have earned a lot more respect had he started his own Lal Kitab blog.
> He didn't have to have a "spokesperson" in "Varun Trivedi" who, it
> seems, had nothing to do all day long except to wait for the great
> Gurujee to issue a farmaan or issue clarification or explanation –
> this chela knew everything! (Even now this "maanas chela" is
> explaining and writing and fielding questions even though the cat is
> out of the bag; thanks to Sh Ratan jee.)
> >
> > I know that I am not setting a good example for our new members and
> I know numerous seniors will be pained to read this. But I can't
> tolerate Prof Upadhyay continually and knowingly spreading lies
> and misinformation about Lal Kitab and Pt Rup Chand Jee. I have
> expressed to him in the past internet discussions and will do so
> again, that his methodology of dispensing Lal Kitab Remedies Forum is
> also patently WRONG. He never ever verifies the correctness of a
> horoscope - his remedial measures are as if they came from a ready
> reckoner that he has compiled. Per Mr. Finn Wandahl, a scholar of
> Vedic astrology from Denmark (and fortunately a good friend) "A
> horoscope is always incorrect unless verified." [You have seen Emails
> from him from time to time. He was trained under some of the greatest
> astrologers of India including Prof B V Raman and he has spent
> numerous years studying Nadi and Bhrigu methods of astrology;
> currently Lal Kitab is his big
> > passion. He is a one of Europe's premier professional astrologers.
> Mr. Wandahl
> > is among the few who live by the golden rule of Lal Kitab - `VERIFY
> BEFORE YOU SPECIFY'.) Many of us, if we can't verify the
> correctness/
> it. We can't act like quacks who must inject something into a patient
> whether they are able to diagnose the problem or not. Prof Upadhyay
> has chosen to ignore this ethical responsibility. The prescriber of a
> (possibly wrong) remedial measure is committing a sin.
> >
> > In the end, I do pray to Almighty to put Prof Upadhyay on the right
> path. He is a learned person and should desist from such unbecoming
> activities. It really pains me to write such a long Email criticizing
> him but the truth has to be told and has to triumph.
> >
> > My apologies for such ramblings.
> >
> > Rajinder Bhatia
> >
>
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