Re: [astrostudents] Re: BUDH KHANA NUMBER 2/Prabhakar Ji, Kondal Ji,

                                                                                             dated:14.8.2008

dear vivian,
                                                   hello ,hope u rfine and enjoing life.good to see that u want to learn lal kitab seriously.it was nice talking to you on phone that day when u called me up .and here i would like to tell u that as u had written in the mail that neel kanth ji had told this upayae and the way to do it for your father.i dont deny it but he must have seen his whole birth chart or horoscope before telling him the upaye and the other things which he had told in addition to this upaye must be because of  taking the consideration and involvement of other planets of your fathers horoscope or as per the chart which he had seen at that time .that is the only reason why we people always say dont be too fast in suggesting the remedy by merely seeing planets in the houses only and start suggesting the remedies.ther is always a single remedy stored for the entire teva but that is the extreme of lal kitab to reach up to that level it may take a long long time for a person like me. so in general i mean to say that till the time what ever we were discussing that  was only on budh in khanna no. 2 and its upayae.the single upaye in  under consideration is naak cheddan for 96 hrs .but we have to see first of all ki yeh upaye sirf budh khanna no. 2 dekh k bataya gaya hai yaa ki overall whole horoscope dekhane ke baad .

i had seen lot of horoscopes analysed by respected pundit ji and he had given only one or two remedies for each horoscope not more than that.and that is the perfection . 
                                         i would like to have your fathers horoscope or his details and the time and year when he contacted neel kanth ji regarding his problem when the foresaid remedy was told to him of naak cheddan with additional precautions.

pundit ji once announced during his baithak at pharwala answering somebodys question regarding what they will do after him? and u know what pundit ji said, he said that maine is kitab mein sab kuch likh diya hai jis ko jo bhi chahiyae vo dyanatdaari or immandaari se doondhane par mil jayega.

 so baat to ab hum logon par hi aa kar khatam hoti hai ki hum log kitne immandaar or dyanatdaar hai.yeh kitab to simple ban kar sahaj mein aa kar hi seekhee ja sakti hai is ka koi aur seekhanae ka tarika hai hi nahin.bhed tab hi khulega .

baat lambi ho gayi.sorry for writing too much.

thanks
regards
MS KONDAL

 

<span style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(128, 0, 0);">M S KONDAL</span>

----- Original Message ----
From: vivian tandon <viviantandon@yahoo.co.in>
To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:49:37 PM
Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Re: BUDH KHANA NUMBER 2/Prabhakar Ji, Kondal Ji,

Revered Senior Member and Dear All Fellow Students, Namashkar!!!                    I really apologise if I had mentioned something wrong for Naak Chhedan Remedy....Even I had read it in the book for 96 hrs as mentioned by Shri MS Kondal ji and Sh. Parbhakar ji; but the lines that I had added after that remedy is not mentioned in the book anywhere. Lekin ye lines Aadarniye Shri Neel Kanth Deedi Ji ke batayi hui guidelines for how to do this upay ke according hain........ ......... ... I reckon he had told this remedy to my father way back and he specifically mentioned that after u get ur nose punctured please make sure that except that person who punctures ur nose nobody shud see ur nose for atleast 96 hrs so its better to stay indoors for this period. Thats the reason why i mentioned these lines while I never mentioned that sunlight shud be avoided etc. Shri Neelkanth ji Deedi Was very close fren of panditji and I think unhonne agar kuchh aise kaha tha tto zaroor isska koi arth hogga....... ......... ......... ......... ......... ..Mujhe Isske baare main jitna maalum tha wo maine likha tha  Baaki hamare senior members Hamare Gurujan Hain and Aadarniye hain jaise wo guide karein wahi uchit hogga....... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .....Regards- ---Vivian. From: mts3434 <mts3434@yahoo. co.in> Subject: [astrostudents] Re: BUDH KHANA NUMBER 2/Prabhakar Ji, Kondal Ji, To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008, 2:42 PM Members, Namaskar, shukar hai bhagwan ka ki kuchh members ki neend to khuli, kisi vishay par hulchal to huee.mein apna experince share karna chahta hoon ki jab bhee varshphal mein budh khana no 2 mein aye, to usse kya nahi karna chahiye. jis saal budh khana no 2 mein aaye uss saal jatak ko musical instruments nahi lene chahiye. mere paas agar koi aisa shaksh jiska budh khana no 2 mein aya hoo(varshphal ke anusar) to uss saal mein usko saali se bhee dur rehne ko kehta hoon, T.V.,C.D. player,Stereo, Baja vagairah ka kum se kum prayog kare aur naya/purana na le. jab ki yeh zyadatar electronics goods hee hain. fir bhee inka parhez rakhna hee achha rahega.aisa mera manana hai. MAhajan --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal@.. .> wrote: > > DATED 13-8-2008 > > dear members, > pranaam to all of my seniors and hello to colleagues,hope all r fine and enjoing .i read yograjjis reply to vivian regarding the piercing of nosefor 96 hours and i fully agree with yograjji on this topic that in the book it is mentioned only the same thing which yograjji has written .till date i have never read any where and in any of version that one should not go out or u have to hide it from others or one have to be away from sun light suraj to budh ko theek rakhnae mein madad deta hai or chandarma ka bhi dost hai so dont be mistaken on this part that u have to stuck into house only after naak chaddan .u r free to move about humne aaj tak kaafi logon ka naak chaddan karvaya hai and got good results 100% u can say but never restricted anybody like this. > thats the only and only reason why we all are insisting everybody to try to read the original version of lal kitab so please for god sake try to read the original versions only .and your first step to have success in the field of lal kitab is to procure a original copy of it and get it translated or do what ever u can do to reach for it understand it and translate it.dont try to get pakki pakayi things .this thing will harm you in the field of learning lal kitab.try to find new things out of it yourself it has got thousands of such formulaes and permutations and combinations that the need is only to unveil them.but most of the people dont use their own brains and try to grab things either by hook or crook.try to go more deep and deep into the book and u ur self will find the difference.ORIGINAL LAL KITAB IN ITSELF IS A LAMPHOUSE AND POWER GENERATOR THAT MERELY BY KEEPING IT WITH YOURSELF YOU FEEL YOURSELF FULLY ENERGISED. > > SO I HOPE NOW EVERYBODY WOULD TRY TO GO FOR A GENUINE BOOK AND FELL THE ENERGY ITS A FACT YOU TRY IT AND TELL IN THE FORM THE DIFFERENCE. > > > THANKS > > REGARDS > > M S KONDAL > > <span style="font- weight:bold; color:rgb( 128, 0, 0);">M S KONDAL</span> > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:19:46 AM > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Re: BUDH KHANA NUMBER 2/Vivian Jee > > > Dear Vivian ji, > > I am partially agree with you on the question of period and method of Naak-Chhedan. You are absolutely right that Pundit ji has advised to do it for atleast 96 hours. and It is very much mentioned in Lal Kitab-1952, page 545, line 11 to 13, (Budh Khana no. 2 Mandee Haalat): > > "Naak-Chhedan (4-5 din tak kam az kam 96 ghantey Surakh qayam rakhna) magadgaar hoga. 12 se 16 saala se pehle pehle zyadah faydemand magar baad mein bhi naak-chhedan madadgar hoga).". > > But your statement that one should remain indoor, nobody should see the Naak-Chhedan and it should not be exposed to the direct Sunlight is just beyond my understanding. What are the basis of this notion? Have you read it somewhere or was it recommended/ told by someone to you? Kindly clarify. > > Sincerely > Yograj Prabhakar > > > --- On Wed, 8/13/08, mts3434 <mts3434@yahoo. co.in> wrote: > > From: mts3434 <mts3434@yahoo. co.in> > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: BUDH KHANA NUMBER 2 > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 10:22 AM > > > Vivian Ji, > Namaskar, > sorry, mein kuchh kadwa bol gaya tha. > > Hua kuchh iss tarah ki jo mein kehna chahta thaa woh prabhakar sahib > ne keh diya hai, sirf kehne/samjhane ka tarika alag ho gaya. mein > kuchh kadwe tarike se keh gaya woh pyar se samjha gaye.aap kyonki > bahut aage ki soch rahe theiy, wahan tak ki mein to soch hi nahi > sakta.agar mein prabhakar ji ne jo kuchh likha thaa woh padh leta to > shayad mein apko itna kadwa nahi likhta. again & again SORRY. > abb itna dhayan rakhiye ki Budh khana no 2 wale ko budh ki ashiyan > sthapit nahi karni chahiye. > > because naak chhedan > > karvalenna hi upay nahi hai but naak chhedan karwaake ye b dhyan > > main rakha jaye ki it is not visible to anybody so the person shud > > stay indoor or closed door and away from everybody sight for > minimum > > 96 hrs..... > Kripya yeh bataye ki 96 hours ka upay jaisa ki aapne likha hai yeh > kahan likha hai.kyonki zyadatar jab bhee Budh manda asar de raha ho > Nak Chhedan karwaya hi jata hai(96 days) lekin agar kahin yeh likha > hai ki 96 hours ghar mein hi rahe ya kisi ko nak chhedan dikhai na > de, sun light na lage aadi aadi. > Dhanyawad. > Mahajan > > --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, vivian tandon > <viviantandon@ ...> wrote: > > > > Mahajan ji, Namashkar !!! > > I am just a beginner in lal Kitab and a nursery class student in > front of u lekin fir bhi aap kripa kar Lal Kitab(1952) Ka Page > Number 543(budh2 nek haalat) zaroor padiyega its clearly mentioned- -- > ------''Lambi va poshda aur baahar ko ubhri hui peshaani ka maalik > hogga.jismain jahanat tatha saath aayi hui kismat ka nek asar > hogga....... ......... ......... ......... '' Please sir do correct me > if i m wrong..... > >  > > thanx------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -- ---- > -------vivian > > > > > > --- On Tue, 12/8/08, mts3434 <mts3434@ > wrote: > > > > From: mts3434 <mts3434@ > > > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: BUDH KHANA NUMBER 2 > > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 12:48 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivian Ji, > > mein abhi itna vidhwan nahi hua ki matha(forehead) dekh kar bata > saku > > ki budh khana no 2 mein hai.Aapke baare mein mein kuchh keh nahi > > sakta. > > Mahajan > > --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, vivian tandon > > <viviantandon@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Mahajan ji first of all i m highly thankful to u to start the > > topic again and kept this group alive......well about budh number > 2 > > wot i percieve is dat; aise insaan ka father ki age ki koi > guarantee > > ni hotti but tab tak jab tak chander se koi madad na mil rahi ho > if > > moon of such a person is in 8th or twelfth house father of such a > > person may survive.Moreover tewe ki darushti ke liye kuchh > questions > > we can ask like aise insaan ki mastishk(head) ubhraa hua > (protruding) > > hotta hai........and such a person is very intelligent but at the > > same time somewhat selfish also. > > > Budh ki cheeze sister,bua,daughter etc.r not gud for the > person > > and they give the result to that of a poison.....mande budh ki > pehli > > nishaani ghar main sheep, parrot kharidke ya vaise hi lekke > rakha > > jaye ya fir aise saksh ki saali ghar main aake rehne lag jaye tto > wo > > uskki wife ko (shukar) ko barbaad kardeggi.... .ghar main shukar > ki > > cheeze barbaad honne lag jaengi... mande budh ke nivaaran ka best > > upay i think is naak chhedan( nose prick),this remedy looks to be > > very simple but its actually very tough. because naak chhedan > > karvalenna hi upay nahi hai but naak chhedan karwaake ye b dhyan > > main rakha jaye ki it is not visible to anybody so the person shud > > stay indoor or closed door and away from everybody sight for > minimum > > 96 hrs.......This is some thing i know for budh number 2 kuchh > > baatein tto mahajan ji ne pehle hi saaf kardi hain.....kuchh par > > hamaare senior members ki roshni ki bi zarurat > > hai......... ......... kiyunki we r just students in this field > > > and many things i have written may be wrong....... ........so > > corrections are solicited from our senior members..... .parbhakar > ji > > please throw some more light on this > > topic....... ......... ......... VIVIAN... > > >  > > >  > > >  > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/8/08, mts3434 <mts3434@ > wrote: > > > > > > From: mts3434 <mts3434@ > > > > Subject: [astrostudents] BUDH KHANA NUMBER 2 > > > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Monday, 11 August, 2008, 11:24 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Members > > > aap sab ko yeh jankar harani hog1 ki 1975-76 ke karib jab > lalkitab > > > market mein ayee(hindi photostat) tab jitne bhee log jo jyotish > ki > > > jankari rakhte theiy, unn logo ne budh khana no 2 walo ke ghar > se > > > niwar ke goley niklwa diye. tab aam gharo mein niwar hoti thee. > > abb > > > niwar nahi hai to yeh jyotish log kya karein.abb wool ke goley > > > niklwa rahe hain.budh khana no 2 wale ke liye achha yehi hai ki > > ghar > > > mein kisi bhee kisam ka suti (cotton) dhaga gole ki shakal mein > na > > > pada ho. > > > jaise khana no 1 ke liye daant 32 chahiye yahan bhee wohi halat > > hai > > > (vaise har khana mein budh ka achha phal tabi milega jab daant > 32 > > ho) > > > Agar brahspati khana no 6ya7 mein ho to aisa jatak pita (father) > > ke > > > liye bhari hoga, matlab ki uske pita ki maut ya mritu tulya > kashat > > > jab budh khana no 2 wale ki umar 16 se 22 ki hogi. zyadatar aise > > > jatak ke pita ki maut 16 se 19 saal ke beech hi ho jati hai agar > > > bach jaye to bhee bimar ya murda ke brabar hi hoga. > > > Aise jatak ke ladkiya zyada hogi,lekin lawald nahi hoga matlab > ki > > > ladka avash hoga . ladke ke liye brahspati aur chander ki > sahayta > > > lee ja sakti hai. > > > Budh asal mein kya hai? brahspati+rahu= BUDH > > > abb aap rahu khana no 2 ka upay Chandi ki thos (solid)goli jatak > > > apne paas rakh sakte hain. > > > aur bhee bahut kuchh kiya ja sakta filhal itna hi kafi hai, agar > > aap > > > ke paas Budh khana no 2 ke baare mein kuchh alag hi jankari hai > ti > > > likhe. > > > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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