Dear Vijay Goel Ji,
Pt. Roop Chand Ji was used to distribute lallkitab
to persons who had basic knowledge of astrology.
In lalkitab ,no where it is mentioned that as to how to find out
ascending point.LK is also silent on the definition of bhava.
As an example , in one case 5degrees of Virgo is rising ,and in another case
25 degree of Virgo is rising.What are going to be boundaries of houses
in both cases. There are two alternatives :
1. In sign chart , VIRGO REPLACED BY 1ST HOUSE . iN THAT CASE
BOTH NATIVES WILL HAVE SAME CHARTS AND THEN SAME DESTINY.
2 IN SECOND ALTERNATIVE , BHAVA WILL EXTENT 15 DEGREES ON
EITHER SIDE OF RISING DEGREE.IN THAT CASE BOTH NATIVES MAY HAVE
DIFFERENT BHAVA CHARTS.
(I HAVE ASSUMED BOTH NATIVES ON SAME DATES)
3. WHAT METHODOLOGY WILL BE ADOPTED IN SUCH CASES.
4
G.K.GOEL
Ph: 09350311433
Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR
NEW DELHI-110 076
INDIA
From: vijay.goel <goyalvj@gmail.com>
To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 22 February, 2011 4:05:16 PM
Subject: [astrostudents] LK has dropped the concept of Lagna (Ascendent).
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Misconception for LK:
Reality : It simple means that all LK horoscopes starts from First House or Khana Number I, which is also equivalent to Mesh Rasi (Aries sign). There is no such concept like ascendent or Lagna.
Reality : Their is no similar concept of Kendra and trikone as taught in Laghu Parashari, there is no concept of functional malefic and benefic as mentioned in Laghu Parasahari for each Lagna.
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In LK, House (khanna number) & Planets are important.
In the chapter Graha & Rasi in LK-1942 page 48-50. : All the basic relationship between planets and house are clearly mentions. Nowhere Lagna is mentioned, nor any such type of concept is used.
Each House (Khanna number) is designated with :
1)Rasi ka Malik graha : planet which is owner of sign.
2)Ucch graha : Planet which are exalted in Khana number.
3)Neech graha : Planet which are debilitated in Khana number.
4)Pakka Ghar : Planet which are pakka in khana number.
5)Kismat jagane wala Grah : Planet which activate the fortune of the Khana number.
6)Graha Phal Ka : Planet which is not remedial for the Khana number.
7)Rasi Phal Ka : Planet which is remedial for the Kahan Number.
We can clearly see that in House - Planet relationship : Above Seven different types of relationship is considered in LK.
It should be noted that
1) Meaning Uccha \ Neecha is not exactly same as in traditional astrology. In traditional astrology strength is considered with Uccha \ Neecha, which is not so in LK.
2) In LK , rasis are considered for lordship only. like Mangal (mars) is lord of Mesha (Aries) and Vrischika (scorpio). Not a other single attribute of sign like nature of mesh rasi, its qualities are taken, as considered in traditional astrology.
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I hope this will help a lot to understand LK.
Best Wishes,
Vijay Goel
Vedic astrologer & Vastu consultant.
http://lalkitab1952.blogspot.com/2011/02/lk-has-dropped-concept-of-lagna.html?spref=fb
Pt. Roop Chand Ji was used to distribute lallkitab
to persons who had basic knowledge of astrology.
In lalkitab ,no where it is mentioned that as to how to find out
ascending point.LK is also silent on the definition of bhava.
As an example , in one case 5degrees of Virgo is rising ,and in another case
25 degree of Virgo is rising.What are going to be boundaries of houses
in both cases. There are two alternatives :
1. In sign chart , VIRGO REPLACED BY 1ST HOUSE . iN THAT CASE
BOTH NATIVES WILL HAVE SAME CHARTS AND THEN SAME DESTINY.
2 IN SECOND ALTERNATIVE , BHAVA WILL EXTENT 15 DEGREES ON
EITHER SIDE OF RISING DEGREE.IN THAT CASE BOTH NATIVES MAY HAVE
DIFFERENT BHAVA CHARTS.
(I HAVE ASSUMED BOTH NATIVES ON SAME DATES)
3. WHAT METHODOLOGY WILL BE ADOPTED IN SUCH CASES.
4
ना २८ नक्षत्रो, न पंचांग गिनती, भुला राशि १२ को वह देती है.
सिर्फ पक्के घर १२ आखिर लेती, ग्रह ९ से किस्मत बता देती है.
LALLKITAB SAYS FORGET SIGN ETC BUT IT DOES NOT SAY IGNORE THEM.
IF PLANET IS LORD OF 10H IIN TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY , BUT PLACED
IN ADVERSE PLACEMENT AS PER LK , IF WE REMOVE IT BY THROWING ITS ITEMS IN FLOWING WATER , THE PROFESSION WILL SUFFER. WE , IN SUCH ,CASES HAVE TO FIND SOME OTHER UPAYA TO REMOVE ITS ILL EFFECTS.
pandit ji , therefore , very careful in the choice of words.LK draws its basic
inspiration from Vedic astrology.Nakshatras and zodiac signs are defined mathematically.
In Kalpursha Kundli 1st house is always commences from sign Aries.
Ownership of signs , exaltation and debilitation signs are as per traditional
norms. Same is applicable to Pacca ghar (bhava karka)with slight variation.
In Bhirgu astrology , there are some powerful ygas on same basis.These
yogas are very effective.
Mr. Goel kindly aprise me with your views.
LALLKITAB SAYS FORGET SIGN ETC BUT IT DOES NOT SAY IGNORE THEM.
IF PLANET IS LORD OF 10H IIN TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY , BUT PLACED
IN ADVERSE PLACEMENT AS PER LK , IF WE REMOVE IT BY THROWING ITS ITEMS IN FLOWING WATER , THE PROFESSION WILL SUFFER. WE , IN SUCH ,CASES HAVE TO FIND SOME OTHER UPAYA TO REMOVE ITS ILL EFFECTS.
pandit ji , therefore , very careful in the choice of words.LK draws its basic
inspiration from Vedic astrology.Nakshatras and zodiac signs are defined mathematically.
In Kalpursha Kundli 1st house is always commences from sign Aries.
Ownership of signs , exaltation and debilitation signs are as per traditional
norms. Same is applicable to Pacca ghar (bhava karka)with slight variation.
In Bhirgu astrology , there are some powerful ygas on same basis.These
yogas are very effective.
Mr. Goel kindly aprise me with your views.
Ph: 09350311433
Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR
NEW DELHI-110 076
INDIA
From: vijay.goel <goyalvj@gmail.com>
To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 22 February, 2011 4:05:16 PM
Subject: [astrostudents] LK has dropped the concept of Lagna (Ascendent).
Dear Members,
In Lal kitab 1942, Farman 2, page 1:
ना २८ नक्षत्रो, न पंचांग गिनती, भुला राशि १२ को वह देती है.
सिर्फ पक्के घर १२ आखिर लेती, ग्रह ९ से किस्मत बता देती है.
It is clearly mentioned in Lal- Kitab that it does not consider 28 nakshatras , nor Panchang ( Vaar, Tithi, Yoga, Karan, Nakshatra are five panchang values), also it does not consider that concept of 12 signs, i.e. concept of Rising Lagna Sign (12 different signs in 24hrs.)
It only consider 12 fix houses (Bhava or Ghar or Khanna number), and 9 planets for fortune prediction.
घर पहला है तख़्त हजारी, ग्रह फल राजा कुंडली का,
ज्योतिष में इसे लग्न भी कहते, झगडा मनुष्य है माया का. [LK 1942, pakka ghar khanna no. 1]Ghar pehla hai takht hajari, grah phal raja kundli ka .
Jyotish mein ise lagan bhi kehate, jhagra manushya hai maya ka.
Here it is very clear that LK is saying that House number 1 is known as Lagna (ascendent) in Traditional astrology. It means in LK it is know as Khanna no 1.
Method to erect LK Kundli :
लगन एक का हिंदसा लेकर जो चलती, खतम १२ पर ही वह कर देती है.[farmaan 2]
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लगन पहला हिंदसा गिन कर, १२ के बनवा गया,
जनम राशि घर में पहले, लगन से मितवा गया . [From Gujaris heading 1942]
The Ascendent of the traditional chart is turned into LK Kundli by removing the sign number and putting up the Fix house number starting from I to XII. Here any rising lagna sign is represented Khana number 1 \ house number 1 and is increased in ascending order. Planets are put in the same house as in traditional chart.
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Misconception for LK:
1) LK horoscopes start from Mesh Lagna (Aries ascendent) ?
2)Are all persons born in Mesh Lagna ?
Reality : It simple means that all LK horoscopes starts from First House or Khana Number I, which is also equivalent to Mesh Rasi (Aries sign). There is no such concept like ascendent or Lagna.
3) Concept of Trikone, kendra is important and should be used for remedies as per LK ?
Reality : Their is no similar concept of Kendra and trikone as taught in Laghu Parashari, there is no concept of functional malefic and benefic as mentioned in Laghu Parasahari for each Lagna.
-----------------
In LK, House (khanna number) & Planets are important.
In the chapter Graha & Rasi in LK-1942 page 48-50. : All the basic relationship between planets and house are clearly mentions. Nowhere Lagna is mentioned, nor any such type of concept is used.
Each House (Khanna number) is designated with :
1)Rasi ka Malik graha : planet which is owner of sign.
2)Ucch graha : Planet which are exalted in Khana number.
3)Neech graha : Planet which are debilitated in Khana number.
4)Pakka Ghar : Planet which are pakka in khana number.
5)Kismat jagane wala Grah : Planet which activate the fortune of the Khana number.
6)Graha Phal Ka : Planet which is not remedial for the Khana number.
7)Rasi Phal Ka : Planet which is remedial for the Kahan Number.
We can clearly see that in House - Planet relationship : Above Seven different types of relationship is considered in LK.
It should be noted that
1) Meaning Uccha \ Neecha is not exactly same as in traditional astrology. In traditional astrology strength is considered with Uccha \ Neecha, which is not so in LK.
2) In LK , rasis are considered for lordship only. like Mangal (mars) is lord of Mesha (Aries) and Vrischika (scorpio). Not a other single attribute of sign like nature of mesh rasi, its qualities are taken, as considered in traditional astrology.
----------------
I hope this will help a lot to understand LK.
Best Wishes,
Vijay Goel
Vedic astrologer & Vastu consultant.
http://lalkitab1952.blogspot.com/2011/02/lk-has-dropped-concept-of-lagna.html?spref=fb
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