Tuesday, February 01, 2011

Re: [astrostudents] LAL KITAB KE UPAY KHUD BANANA

 

Jagmohan jee,
 

This is what I have been saying for the last so many years about the particular group mentioned by you. There is never ever a "durusti"/verification done to any horoscope. Durusti is the most essential and most fundamental requirement of the Lal Kitab system. As we all know that every planet in every house is capable of giving malefic as well as benefic results, the moral responsibility falls on the astrologer to first determine this most significant part. Otherwise, one is just blindly prescribing from a list of remedies - anyone without any intelligence can do that; actually a relatively simple computer program can do that eliminating the need for any human intervention.

 
As very astutely observed by you, the position/aspect of Moon is very vital in this particular case. A well positioned Moon can completely eliminate the effects of a potentially bad Mars (plus there are many other factors that nullify a malefic Mars.)  In this particular case, before even thinking about the remedial part, incidents connected with malefic Mars should have been investigated first. If Mars is not malefic, then by performing an unnecessary Mars related remedy would be akin to waking up a ferocious sleeping dog so that it can bite when woken up. 
 
It is interesting to note what "Varun" says "From your message I assume that it has been verified that these three planets are acting malefic..." Now, how many times have you seen him do that while dispensing remedies every day in the "advice" column? I haven't checked lately but in the past, there has never been even a single case of "durusti" or verification in that particular forum. There is no technique, however mathematically sophisticated, to decide remedies in a vacuum without the input from the native whose horoscope is being examined.
 
Another point, very essential in this context, is that even if two people have the same combination (Mars+Mercury+Rahu) in the ninth (or any house for that matter), one person may need a remedial measure, the other person may not need it at all. It all depends on the circumstances (in other words, verification.) No amount of calculations or grahspashti, however sophisticated, can substitute for "durusti." Anyone proceeding without the need for Durusti is simply throwing darts in the dark - some may hit the target, others may hurt someone.
 
Thanks for cautioning (and educating) the members of AstroStudents against such tendencies where one starts prescribing remedies without first seeing a genuine need for them. I hope that our members, especially the ones who are new to LalKitab, learn a useful lesson from your Email.
 
Best regards.
 
Respectfully,
Rajinder Bhatia
 
 

From: jagmohan <mts3434@yahoo.co.in>
To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 5:14:23 AM
Subject: [astrostudents] LAL KITAB KE UPAY KHUD BANANA

 

Members,

mein aapke liye kisi dusre group se mail paste kar rahan hoon,jisse ki mein uchit nahi samjhata ,lekin fir bhee issliye yahan de rahan hoon ki kahin hum log bhee aisa to nahi kar rahe,bina soche samjhe khud hee upay bana lein aur kuchh ka kuchh ho jaye.nuksan chahe ho ya na ho,lekin fayda bhee nahi hoga.....

Jagmohan Mahajan....98726-46747

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Respected Anand ji,

From your message I assume that it has been verified that these three planets are acting malefic and thus destroying his Bhagya altogether and may be affecting the father also.

First let us understand how the logic for devising upaya in the Lal Kitab is built up.

Here in the 9th house, Mars with mercury becomes ashubh , or mangal-bud as it is called in the LK. Therefore we have to first contain it and then remove it from the 9th house , or you might call it that we have to distance it. The only thing that can contain an ashubh mangal is Lord Hanuman and the Sun.

Therefore the first Upaya to be done is:

{ a } Prepare 9 sweet thick rotis ( known as Hanuman roti )in a tandoor , and not on an iron tawa, and feed them to the monkeys.

Why 9 rotis ?
Because the arishtha arises in the 9th house.

Why feed the rotis to the monkeys?
Because the monkeys represent both the `sewaks ` of lord Hanuman and also the Sun.

Why not on an iron `tawa'?
Because of two reasons: firstly the iron `tawa' is a karak of shani who considers mangal as its enemy and that's why Hanuman ji ki roti is never baked on the iron `tawa'.
Secondly because the rotis are to be fed to the monkeys { sun }. Shani and the Sun are mutual enemies.

{ b } After the mangal-ashubh has been contained the next step will be to distance it. Therefore the second upaya will have to be:

Throw into running water 900gms of Rewari on any day during the day light hours.

{ c } Now the next upaya will have to be done for Rahu.

Mangal is considered as a mahawat of the elephant { rahu }. Once the mahawat becomes ashubh the elephant goes berserk, it is further aggravated by the heat of the Sun, thus a possibility of Rahu going belligerent.

Therefore the first thing that we have to do is to calm the Rahu. The only thing that calms Rahu is the Moon. Water is such a relief to any elephant.

Therefore upaya will be : Take 900gms of Jau { barley } and wash it with milk { moon}. After the rahu has been calmed , the next step will be to distance it. Therefore immerse, in a river, this Jau which has already been rinsed with milk; preferably on a Thursday evening after sun set and before it gets dark.

{ d } And finally an upaya will have to be done for Mercury placed in the 9th house.

The Jatak should keep with him an iron goli [ball bearing] painted dull red [mangal shubh] and offer at any temple 9 mushrooms kept in an earthen pot. If he can get his nose pierced, just for 5 days, that would be the best upaya.

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

--- In lalkitab_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "anand_jotish" <anand_jotish@...> wrote:
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> Sirs, when these three planets are together the Lal Kitab doesn't say any thing.No upaya is given. I feel that in this situation upaya of all the three planets should be done. Sirs how should the upaya be worked out. Suppose these planets are in the 9th house then what should be done. Thanks in advance.
> Anand
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Respected Varun Jee,

Mein shuru se hee iss tarah ke manghdhant upay karne ka virodhi rahan hoon, aise to jis ghar mein bhee mangal badh hoga ,aap ginti kee uss khana no kee roti meethi tandoor kee lagwa denge ?kya aise nahi ho sakta ki yahan (jahan) chander hoga wahan mangal badh na hoga.............kya chander kee sahayta nahi lee ja sakti..........?

abb pata kaise chale ki mangal khana no 9 ka badh hai ?

agar mangal budh mil rahen hain to kya yeh zaroori hai ki mangal badh hee hoga ?

fir teva darusati ki zaroorat hee kya hai ?

AGAR MANGAL KHANA NO 9 KA BADH HOGA TO WOH INSAAN JISKA MANGAL KHANA NO 9 MEIN HOGA DHARAM VIRODHI HOGA......detail ke liye aap 1942...page 178 dekhe .aapne rewari to likh dee lekin rewari kaun c chahiye yeh nahi likha....rewari 2 tarah kee hoti hai (cheeni kee vah gurh kee).........

IRON GOLI ..................Kyonki yeh group sirf lal kitab par hai issliye iss group mein besir pair kee baaton ko aap agar ahmiyat na de to behtar hoga...(mafi chahta hoon ) agar koi aapse (group) poochhta hai to jawab milta hai ki sirf discussion hogi upay nahi bataya jayega ( kya mein galat hoon? ) kya iron goli se pehle budh ka swabhav nahi dekha jayega kyonki pujya Pt. jee ne budh 3..9 ke liye yehi likha hai ki upay se pehle budh ka swabhav avash dekhe.lk1942 page..187, yeh bhee to ho sakta hai ki iron kee bajay sheeshe (glass) kee golo chahiye (kancha)......

Aise hee aapne jo upay bataye hain mein sab ko galat sabit kar sakta hoon...........

aap bhee yeh baat achhi tarah se jante hain lekin fir bhee manghadant upay bata rahe hai bina teva darusti ke,jo ki iss group ke liye uchit nahi hai, mujh ko jo achha laga meine likh diya , aapko bura lage to mafi chahta hoon.

ek baar fir se sab members se aur varun jee aapse mafi mangta hoon ki meine apni baaton se aap sab ka dil dukhaya.....

dhanyawad sahit.

Jagmohana Mahajan

 


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